Trump, allies fire back at media warnings of second-term dictatorship

[candide]

2 minutes ago, illisdean said:

An investigation into the biggest corruption scandal in American politics all the while the Trump MAGA machine is creamin loser Joe in the polls now. This official impeachment inquiry could not have come at a better time.

 

Ya think Trump impeachments were legit or based on just cause and evidence as the Biden impeachment inquiry?

The usual lame attempt at false equivalence! There was clear evidence when Trump was investigated and impeached: recordings, documents, messages and testimonies (mainly GOP witnesses). 

 

What evidence is there against Biden? Nothing except "Comer says". Even their witnesses have declared there is no ground to impeach JB.

Actually, the GOP is not even able to state for which crime JB should be impeached. 😃

[earlinclaifornia]

1 minute ago, illisdean said:

An investigation into the biggest corruption scandal in MArican politics all the whill the Trump MAGA machine is creamin loser Joe in the polls now. This official impeachment inquiry could not have come at a better time.

 

Ya think Trump impeachments were legit or based on just cause and evidence as the Biden impeachment inquiry?

I think you ask but don't look forward to an answer.

4 Jan 6 charges were legit. Now the Inquiry has zero charges.

[candide]

9 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Biggest corruption scandal? How much did Trump's daughter tee up while she and hubby were suckling off the public teat in the west wing?

 

One clue that we had direct and incontrovertible evidence that Trump blackmailed Ukraine over weapons to dig up dirt on H Biden. And by the way, the congressional hearing into HB was never held during Trump's term. I wonder why? Not. It's totally a deflection to protect Trump. Nothing more. On the other hand, Biden's accusers admit they have no hard evidence. After 6 years.

Actually, It's not fully accurate. There has been a GOP-led Senate investigation about Hunter during Trump's mandate. Of course, they found nothing. 

Edited: I guess you know it already as you mention "6 years"

[candide]

1 hour ago, illisdean said:

Closed door session, in a formal setting followed by release to the public of official transcripts of the proceedings and then a public hearing for the crack-head to give his deposition. I love to see Hunter keep his lies from imploding around him trying to testify (lie) on two separate occasions. Comer has agreed to this format but only after HB complies with the requirements of the subpeona in a closed door session followed by a public venue, told you so already, you forget or just being obtuse about key points?

Anyone with a functioning brain should know a criminal defendant or anyone on the receiving end of a subpoena has no inherent right to bargain and negotiate it's terms. 

So what? If Hunter is arrested for not complying, he'll make the news claiming he's been arrested because the GOP committee doesn't want the public to hear his testimony. 😁

[illisdean]

21 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

I think you ask but don't look forward to an answer.

4 Jan 6 charges were legit. Now the Inquiry has zero charges.

Inquiry is to determine if there is sufficient evidence to warrant impeachment, not to lay charges.

 

The J6 charges were legit....well maybe or may be not now.

"The supreme court on Wednesday said it will hear an appeal that could upend hundreds of charges stemming from the Capitol riot, including against the former president Donald Trump."

 

At issue is the application and definition of 18 U.S.C. 1512(c), which outlaws efforts to "corruptly" obstruct, influence or impede any official proceeding, which carrying a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison. Trump is charged with 2 counts of this I believe and affect hundreds of J6 defendants and if the court rules the charges against them and Trump will be dismissed. So, nothing is settled.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023/dec/13/us-supreme-court-jan-6-appeal-obstruction-biden-trump

 

 

 

 

[illisdean]

36 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Biggest corruption scandal? How much did Trump's daughter tee up while she and hubby were suckling off the public teat in the west wing?

Unlike junkie Hunter, she's the furthest thing from a crack-head junkie loser and more the successful and resourceful business type millionaire oozing with success. Same goes for Kushner who was already investigated by dem oversight. You got nothing AGAIN. 

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11 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Unlike junkie Hunter, she's the furthest thing from a crack-head junkie loser and more the successful and resourceful business type millionaire oozing with success. Same goes for Kushner who was already investigated by dem oversight. You got nothing AGAIN. 

Kushner was born into a very wealthy family and nearly ruined it with a spectacularly bad investment. His family was bailed out by an investment group that was at least partially backed by Qatar. The deal that was signed made no financial sense for the people who signed it. Kushner only has experience in the real estate industry yet Saudi Arabia sent him 2 billion dollars to underwrite whatever investments he chose to make. This may not be illegal, but it sure is sleazy.

Not even James Comer thought that Kushner's acceptance of Saudi funding was ethical:

 

Comer says Kushner ‘crossed the line of ethics’ with Saudi deal

House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer (R-Ky.) said Thursday that Jared Kushner, former President Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser while in office, “crossed the line of ethics” by accepting a $2 billion investment from the Saudi government in his private investment firm six months after he left the White House. 

In an interview on CNN’s “The Lead with Jake Tapper,” Comer acknowledged an argument made by 2024 GOP presidential candidate Chris Christie, who noted Kushner’s extensive work in the Middle East on behalf of the Trump White House and claimed in an earlier interview “the Trump family has been involved in grifting for quite some time.” 

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/4148951-comer-says-kushner-crossed-the-line-of-ethics-with-saudi-deal/

[beautifulthailand99]

Where's the switch the country on/off button for USA? Oh yes it's civil war - just in time for the hot movie release of 2024.

 

 

[Danderman123]

7 hours ago, illisdean said:

They (Comer) offered both: first in closed door session and then in a public forum. Since you obviously don't understand the process, Biden DOES NOT get to choose the venue of an enforceable congressional subpoena as does no one, you, me and so on, (What makes HB subject to special treatment other than being the worlds most successful crack head ).

 

Also, the dems will only try to create chaos in a public display with their profound ineptness and buffoonery. 

 

Joe referred to HB as the smartest guy he knows and now that smart person can add contempt of congress charges to his stellar list of achievements.

 

"Representative James Comer announced on Wednesday that he would move forward with holding Hunter Biden in contempt of Congress"

 

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/12/contempt-of-congress-is-hunter-bidens-latest-headache.html

Anyone who is not an idiot knows that Comer's offer of 2 hearings is illusory as the second public hearing would simply never happen.

[Danderman123]

3 hours ago, illisdean said:

Inquiry is to determine if there is sufficient evidence to warrant impeachment, not to lay charges.

 

The J6 charges were legit....well maybe or may be not now.

"The supreme court on Wednesday said it will hear an appeal that could upend hundreds of charges stemming from the Capitol riot, including against the former president Donald Trump."

 

At issue is the application and definition of 18 U.S.C. 1512(c), which outlaws efforts to "corruptly" obstruct, influence or impede any official proceeding, which carrying a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison. Trump is charged with 2 counts of this I believe and affect hundreds of J6 defendants and if the court rules the charges against them and Trump will be dismissed. So, nothing is settled.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023/dec/13/us-supreme-court-jan-6-appeal-obstruction-biden-trump

 

This SC appeal on relates to some of the many charges against the J6 rioters and Trump.

 

But common sense usually prevails - if the SC were to rule that interrupting a government procedure were not illegal - look for people to burst into SC sessions to forestall decisions they don't like.

[ozimoron]

4 hours ago, illisdean said:

Inquiry is to determine if there is sufficient evidence to warrant impeachment, not to lay charges.

 

The J6 charges were legit....well maybe or may be not now.

"The supreme court on Wednesday said it will hear an appeal that could upend hundreds of charges stemming from the Capitol riot, including against the former president Donald Trump."

 

At issue is the application and definition of 18 U.S.C. 1512(c), which outlaws efforts to "corruptly" obstruct, influence or impede any official proceeding, which carrying a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison. Trump is charged with 2 counts of this I believe and affect hundreds of J6 defendants and if the court rules the charges against them and Trump will be dismissed. So, nothing is settled.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023/dec/13/us-supreme-court-jan-6-appeal-obstruction-biden-trump

 

 

 

 

 

People died. They chanted "hang pence". Those charges aren't going to be dismissed.

[Danderman123]

25 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

People died. They chanted "hang pence". Those charges aren't going to be dismissed.

But you miss the point.

 

The actual statute the J6 rioters were charged with is a bit ambiguous. The statute might not relate to physical obstruction of an official proceeding, but only obstruction related to influencing the proceeding, or introduction of  fraudulent documents.

 

If so, there would be no Federal statute against physical obstruction of government proceedings, which would be pretty stupid.

 

But the government has Trump dead to rights because his fake elector scheme means his case is unaffected no matter which way the SC rules. In fact, this appeal tells Jack Smith of a new way to make his case.

 

Bad for Trump.

[ozimoron]

File this under "Why didn't we know this 2 years ago?".

 

Alarms raised over missing classified Russian intel file last seen with Trump

 

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-russian-documents/

[ozimoron]

And so on Wednesday, the same day the Dow reached an all-time high, Trump warned Iowa rallygoers that Biden’s economic stewardship will soon plunge us into another Great Depression. And it's possible that Trump knows something economists don’t and we’ll soon be standing in bread lines and scooping up Trump NFTs at bargain-basement prices.

[Skipalongcassidy]

6 hours ago, ozimoron said:

And so on Wednesday, the same day the Dow reached an all-time high, Trump warned Iowa rallygoers that Biden’s economic stewardship will soon plunge us into another Great Depression. And it's possible that Trump knows something economists don’t and we’ll soon be standing in bread lines and scooping up Trump NFTs at bargain-basement prices.

Tech Boom Is Like Dot-Com Bubble, Stock Slump and Recession Soon: Expert (businessinsider.com)

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37 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Tech Boom Is Like Dot-Com Bubble, Stock Slump and Recession Soon: Expert (businessinsider.com)

This Ted Oakley. From sept 19, 2022.  He predicts a deep recession is about to begin. Last quarter the economy grew at a rate of 5.2%.

 

The Bear Market Has Only Just Begun | Ted Oakley

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=ted+oakley+predicts+recession&sca_esv=591374717&sxsrf=AM9HkKngMtoTQrOZIp3R3wlaePlLrxkB8w%3A1702686103619&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A%2Ccd_max%3Ajan+1_2+2023&tbm=#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:4d6f9638,vid:BJ3IGQLI444,st:664

 

 

 

[Danderman123]

Trump is trying to put together a neo-Nazi movement. It will be interesting to see how many people are stupid enough to fall for his updated Mein Kampf material.

[illisdean]

On 12/15/2023 at 8:07 PM, ozimoron said:

 

People died. They chanted "hang pence". Those charges aren't going to be dismissed.

People did die as follows:

 

Suicide; 4 cops committed suicide after the riot

Stroke: one cop dies of a stroke after the riot

drug overdose: one person died: Trump supporter

heart attack: two persons died: Trump supporters

one person shot by Capitol Police (unarmed Trump supporter)

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/

 

Looks like the only riot fatality was the shooting of an unarmed female trump supporter, which many refer to as a homicide. I am quite nobody was hanged to death that day. Your embellishment attempts score high though and prove only your attempt to misinform/disinform. Good effort but still a massive failure.

 

18 USC 1512 (conspiracy to obstruct official proceeding) WILL BE dismissed if the courts rule it so, and have little to do, (as in nothing) with your fantasy about dead people and gallows. 

 

FYI/context:

"Liberal media have tied the gallows to right-wing groups but with no evidence"

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/new-suspicions-on-who-built-jan-6-gallows

https://nypost.com/2023/03/06/footage-shows-capitol-cop-brian-sicknick-uninjured-on-jan-6/

 

[illisdean]

On 12/15/2023 at 8:07 PM, ozimoron said:

Those charges aren't going to be dismissed.

Trump is also facing charges under Section 241, (18 USC § 241) which is part of a series of statutes known as the Enforcement Acts (also referred to as the KKK Acts), that were enacted in 1870-1871 to protect newly freed Black Americans and their allies from “conspiracies against civil rights.”

Bwahahahah....the KKK act. Desperation huh Jack! Y'a think this should be dropped too?

 

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/241

[Danderman123]

5 hours ago, illisdean said:

People did die as follows:

 

Suicide; 4 cops committed suicide after the riot

Stroke: one cop dies of a stroke after the riot

drug overdose: one person died: Trump supporter

heart attack: two persons died: Trump supporters

one person shot by Capitol Police (unarmed Trump supporter)

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/

 

Looks like the only riot fatality was the shooting of an unarmed female trump supporter, which many refer to as a homicide. I am quite nobody was hanged to death that day. Your embellishment attempts score high though and prove only your attempt to misinform/disinform. Good effort but still a massive failure.

 

18 USC 1512 (conspiracy to obstruct official proceeding) WILL BE dismissed if the courts rule it so, and have little to do, (as in nothing) with your fantasy about dead people and gallows. 

 

FYI/context:

"Liberal media have tied the gallows to right-wing groups but with no evidence"

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/new-suspicions-on-who-built-jan-6-gallows

https://nypost.com/2023/03/06/footage-shows-capitol-cop-brian-sicknick-uninjured-on-jan-6/

 

You have presented the facts in such a way that the truth is obscured.

 

For example, you neglected the fact that one person who died of a heart attack was literally trampled to death.

 

Office Sicknick had multiple traumas leading to his stroke.

 

The courts are working this out, but had Trump not incited the riot those people wouldn't have died.

 

How many cops were injured in the riot?

 

18 USC 1512 won't be overturned. Obstruction of a governmental process will continue to be a crime.

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5 hours ago, illisdean said:

Trump is also facing charges under Section 241, (18 USC § 241) which is part of a series of statutes known as the Enforcement Acts (also referred to as the KKK Acts), that were enacted in 1870-1871 to protect newly freed Black Americans and their allies from “conspiracies against civil rights.”

Bwahahahah....the KKK act. Desperation huh Jack! Y'a think this should be dropped too?

 

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/241

How isn't attempting to steal an election from those whose vote prevailed not a violation of their civil rights?

[illisdean]

44 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

The courts are working this out, but had Trump not incited the riot those people wouldn't have died.

Whats to work out, (maybe u need to work it out) the total lack of evidence that Trump incited anything but a request to "patriotically and peacefully...", I believe were the terms put forth by Trump but somehow curiously missing from the J6 select committee's made for TV presentation. If you are paying attention recently you would know the deep state version of the planned J6 event is beginning to unfold. The truth is leaking out, the facts and vids are not aligned with previous "stories". Good, just in time to help Joe's humiliating and historic beatdown on polls and job approvals. Hunter will give it a boost, especially after getting popped for contempt of congress.

 

Just so you know, here's a tidbit to gnaw on so you can learn just how humorous and silly you present yourself as thru your ignorance and lack of knowledge.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/conservatives-trump-senate-impeachment-capitol-riot-video

 

 

 

[illisdean]

54 minutes ago, placeholder said:

How isn't attempting to steal an election from those whose vote prevailed not a violation of their civil rights?

As in Bided, stole the election? Of course he didn't win a fair election. 20% of mail-in voters admitted they cheated. Check the Rasmussen survey and all the evidence of voter fraud.

[Georgealbert]

2 hours ago, illisdean said:

As in Bided, stole the election? Of course he didn't win a fair election. 20% of mail-in voters admitted they cheated. Check the Rasmussen survey and all the evidence of voter fraud.

 

More QAnon conspiracy theory dreaming.

 

Please remind us how many court cases Trump (you hero/god), lost trying to claim these false narrative? 
 

Was Rudy’s massive fine false?

 

I seem to remember the following saying trump lost, Trump’s Attorney General Bill Bar, Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien,  Trump’s acting deputy attorney general Richard Donoghue, Trump’s campaign data expert Matt Oczkowski, Trump’s campign lawyer Alex Cannon, Trump’s counsellor Kellyanne Conway, Trump’s director of Cybersecurity Christopher Krebs.

So were all these Trump appointees never Trumpters? Liars? Traitors? Bias? Or are you so far down the rabbit hero, you only believe the narcissistic, self-serving conman?

 

You really are in a alternative reality. 

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4 hours ago, illisdean said:

As in Bided, stole the election? Of course he didn't win a fair election. 20% of mail-in voters admitted they cheated. Check the Rasmussen survey and all the evidence of voter fraud.

Even if this if this poll is valid,( and keep in mind it's from Rasmussen)  guess what, it's bad news for Trump, not Democrats. From the article you clearly didn't read:

 Among those who cast mail-in ballots in 2020, nearly equal percentages of Democrats, Republicans and unaffiliated voters admitted to fraudulent activities. For example, 19% of Republicans, 16% of Democrats and 17% of unaffiliated voters who cast 2020 mail-in ballots say they signed a ballot or ballot envelope on behalf of a friend or family member. On the question of voting in a state where they were no longer a permanent resident. more Republican mail-in voters (24%) than Democrats (17%) or unaffiliated voters (11%) admitted doing so.

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4 hours ago, illisdean said:

As in Bided, stole the election? Of course he didn't win a fair election. 20% of mail-in voters admitted they cheated. Check the Rasmussen survey and all the evidence of voter fraud.

I went to the Rasmussen web site. 2 of the questions asked are did you fill out the ballot for someone else or did someone else fill out the ballot for you. It doesn't mean that the person filling out the ballot put in a name contrary to the voter's wishes. Rasmussen didn't ask about that.

And the unreliability of the poll is obvious. 17% filled out a ballot for a state they no longer lived in? There's something called ERIC, the voter roll program that checks for precisely this kind of activity. Oddly enough, right-wingers want to cancel it. And they're succeeding in Red States to do just that.

https://www.votebeat.org/23045551/eric-electronic-registration-information-center-voter-roll-matching-program/

[Dave0206]

42 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Even if this if this poll is valid,( and keep in mind it's from Rasmussen)  guess what, it's bad news for Trump, not Democrats. From the article you clearly didn't read:

 Among those who cast mail-in ballots in 2020, nearly equal percentages of Democrats, Republicans and unaffiliated voters admitted to fraudulent activities. For example, 19% of Republicans, 16% of Democrats and 17% of unaffiliated voters who cast 2020 mail-in ballots say they signed a ballot or ballot envelope on behalf of a friend or family member. On the question of voting in a state where they were no longer a permanent resident. more Republican mail-in voters (24%) than Democrats (17%) or unaffiliated voters (11%) admitted doing so.

I think if if what you say is true and 24% were republicans it's very unfair of you to point this out 

[candide]

5 hours ago, illisdean said:

As in Bided, stole the election? Of course he didn't win a fair election. 20% of mail-in voters admitted they cheated. Check the Rasmussen survey and all the evidence of voter fraud.

Complete B.S. You obviously haVen't read the survey report.

[earlinclaifornia]

13 hours ago, illisdean said:

As in Bided, stole the election? Of course he didn't win a fair election. 20% of mail-in voters admitted they cheated. Check the Rasmussen survey and all the evidence of voter fraud.

Please add the awarding by Fox News to the insurmountable lying about the fraud to you dumb assesment.

[Tug]

2 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Please add the awarding by Fox News to the insurmountable lying about the fraud to you dumb assesment.

That’s not an assessment it’s what rational people call magical thinking or if you prefer trolling or deliberate misinformation it’s obviously bull……