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1 minute ago, illisdean said:

An investigation into the biggest corruption scandal in MArican politics all the whill the Trump MAGA machine is creamin loser Joe in the polls now. This official impeachment inquiry could not have come at a better time.

 

Ya think Trump impeachments were legit or based on just cause and evidence as the Biden impeachment inquiry?

I think you ask but don't look forward to an answer.

4 Jan 6 charges were legit. Now the Inquiry has zero charges.

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21 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

I think you ask but don't look forward to an answer.

4 Jan 6 charges were legit. Now the Inquiry has zero charges.

Inquiry is to determine if there is sufficient evidence to warrant impeachment, not to lay charges.

 

The J6 charges were legit....well maybe or may be not now.

"The supreme court on Wednesday said it will hear an appeal that could upend hundreds of charges stemming from the Capitol riot, including against the former president Donald Trump."

 

At issue is the application and definition of 18 U.S.C. 1512(c), which outlaws efforts to "corruptly" obstruct, influence or impede any official proceeding, which carrying a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison. Trump is charged with 2 counts of this I believe and affect hundreds of J6 defendants and if the court rules the charges against them and Trump will be dismissed. So, nothing is settled.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023/dec/13/us-supreme-court-jan-6-appeal-obstruction-biden-trump

 

 

 

 

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36 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Biggest corruption scandal? How much did Trump's daughter tee up while she and hubby were suckling off the public teat in the west wing?

Unlike junkie Hunter, she's the furthest thing from a crack-head junkie loser and more the successful and resourceful business type millionaire oozing with success. Same goes for Kushner who was already investigated by dem oversight. You got nothing AGAIN. 

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7 hours ago, illisdean said:

They (Comer) offered both: first in closed door session and then in a public forum. Since you obviously don't understand the process, Biden DOES NOT get to choose the venue of an enforceable congressional subpoena as does no one, you, me and so on, (What makes HB subject to special treatment other than being the worlds most successful crack head ).

 

Also, the dems will only try to create chaos in a public display with their profound ineptness and buffoonery. 

 

Joe referred to HB as the smartest guy he knows and now that smart person can add contempt of congress charges to his stellar list of achievements.

 

"Representative James Comer announced on Wednesday that he would move forward with holding Hunter Biden in contempt of Congress"

 

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/12/contempt-of-congress-is-hunter-bidens-latest-headache.html

Anyone who is not an idiot knows that Comer's offer of 2 hearings is illusory as the second public hearing would simply never happen.

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3 hours ago, illisdean said:

Inquiry is to determine if there is sufficient evidence to warrant impeachment, not to lay charges.

 

The J6 charges were legit....well maybe or may be not now.

"The supreme court on Wednesday said it will hear an appeal that could upend hundreds of charges stemming from the Capitol riot, including against the former president Donald Trump."

 

At issue is the application and definition of 18 U.S.C. 1512(c), which outlaws efforts to "corruptly" obstruct, influence or impede any official proceeding, which carrying a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison. Trump is charged with 2 counts of this I believe and affect hundreds of J6 defendants and if the court rules the charges against them and Trump will be dismissed. So, nothing is settled.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023/dec/13/us-supreme-court-jan-6-appeal-obstruction-biden-trump

 

This SC appeal on relates to some of the many charges against the J6 rioters and Trump.

 

But common sense usually prevails - if the SC were to rule that interrupting a government procedure were not illegal - look for people to burst into SC sessions to forestall decisions they don't like.

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4 hours ago, illisdean said:

Inquiry is to determine if there is sufficient evidence to warrant impeachment, not to lay charges.

 

The J6 charges were legit....well maybe or may be not now.

"The supreme court on Wednesday said it will hear an appeal that could upend hundreds of charges stemming from the Capitol riot, including against the former president Donald Trump."

 

At issue is the application and definition of 18 U.S.C. 1512(c), which outlaws efforts to "corruptly" obstruct, influence or impede any official proceeding, which carrying a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison. Trump is charged with 2 counts of this I believe and affect hundreds of J6 defendants and if the court rules the charges against them and Trump will be dismissed. So, nothing is settled.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023/dec/13/us-supreme-court-jan-6-appeal-obstruction-biden-trump

 

 

 

 

 

People died. They chanted "hang pence". Those charges aren't going to be dismissed.

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25 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

People died. They chanted "hang pence". Those charges aren't going to be dismissed.

But you miss the point.

 

The actual statute the J6 rioters were charged with is a bit ambiguous. The statute might not relate to physical obstruction of an official proceeding, but only obstruction related to influencing the proceeding, or introduction of  fraudulent documents.

 

If so, there would be no Federal statute against physical obstruction of government proceedings, which would be pretty stupid.

 

But the government has Trump dead to rights because his fake elector scheme means his case is unaffected no matter which way the SC rules. In fact, this appeal tells Jack Smith of a new way to make his case.

 

Bad for Trump.

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And so on Wednesday, the same day the Dow reached an all-time high, Trump warned Iowa rallygoers that Biden’s economic stewardship will soon plunge us into another Great Depression. And it's possible that Trump knows something economists don’t and we’ll soon be standing in bread lines and scooping up Trump NFTs at bargain-basement prices.

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On 12/15/2023 at 8:07 PM, ozimoron said:

 

People died. They chanted "hang pence". Those charges aren't going to be dismissed.

People did die as follows:

 

Suicide; 4 cops committed suicide after the riot

Stroke: one cop dies of a stroke after the riot

drug overdose: one person died: Trump supporter

heart attack: two persons died: Trump supporters

one person shot by Capitol Police (unarmed Trump supporter)

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/

 

Looks like the only riot fatality was the shooting of an unarmed female trump supporter, which many refer to as a homicide. I am quite nobody was hanged to death that day. Your embellishment attempts score high though and prove only your attempt to misinform/disinform. Good effort but still a massive failure.

 

18 USC 1512 (conspiracy to obstruct official proceeding) WILL BE dismissed if the courts rule it so, and have little to do, (as in nothing) with your fantasy about dead people and gallows. 

 

FYI/context:

"Liberal media have tied the gallows to right-wing groups but with no evidence"

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/new-suspicions-on-who-built-jan-6-gallows

https://nypost.com/2023/03/06/footage-shows-capitol-cop-brian-sicknick-uninjured-on-jan-6/

 

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On 12/15/2023 at 8:07 PM, ozimoron said:

Those charges aren't going to be dismissed.

Trump is also facing charges under Section 241, (18 USC § 241) which is part of a series of statutes known as the Enforcement Acts (also referred to as the KKK Acts), that were enacted in 1870-1871 to protect newly freed Black Americans and their allies from “conspiracies against civil rights.”

Bwahahahah....the KKK act. Desperation huh Jack! Y'a think this should be dropped too?

 

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/241

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5 hours ago, illisdean said:

People did die as follows:

 

Suicide; 4 cops committed suicide after the riot

Stroke: one cop dies of a stroke after the riot

drug overdose: one person died: Trump supporter

heart attack: two persons died: Trump supporters

one person shot by Capitol Police (unarmed Trump supporter)

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/

 

Looks like the only riot fatality was the shooting of an unarmed female trump supporter, which many refer to as a homicide. I am quite nobody was hanged to death that day. Your embellishment attempts score high though and prove only your attempt to misinform/disinform. Good effort but still a massive failure.

 

18 USC 1512 (conspiracy to obstruct official proceeding) WILL BE dismissed if the courts rule it so, and have little to do, (as in nothing) with your fantasy about dead people and gallows. 

 

FYI/context:

"Liberal media have tied the gallows to right-wing groups but with no evidence"

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/new-suspicions-on-who-built-jan-6-gallows

https://nypost.com/2023/03/06/footage-shows-capitol-cop-brian-sicknick-uninjured-on-jan-6/

 

You have presented the facts in such a way that the truth is obscured.

 

For example, you neglected the fact that one person who died of a heart attack was literally trampled to death.

 

Office Sicknick had multiple traumas leading to his stroke.

 

The courts are working this out, but had Trump not incited the riot those people wouldn't have died.

 

How many cops were injured in the riot?

 

18 USC 1512 won't be overturned. Obstruction of a governmental process will continue to be a crime.

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44 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

The courts are working this out, but had Trump not incited the riot those people wouldn't have died.

Whats to work out, (maybe u need to work it out) the total lack of evidence that Trump incited anything but a request to "patriotically and peacefully...", I believe were the terms put forth by Trump but somehow curiously missing from the J6 select committee's made for TV presentation. If you are paying attention recently you would know the deep state version of the planned J6 event is beginning to unfold. The truth is leaking out, the facts and vids are not aligned with previous "stories". Good, just in time to help Joe's humiliating and historic beatdown on polls and job approvals. Hunter will give it a boost, especially after getting popped for contempt of congress.

 

Just so you know, here's a tidbit to gnaw on so you can learn just how humorous and silly you present yourself as thru your ignorance and lack of knowledge.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/conservatives-trump-senate-impeachment-capitol-riot-video

 

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4 hours ago, illisdean said:

As in Bided, stole the election? Of course he didn't win a fair election. 20% of mail-in voters admitted they cheated. Check the Rasmussen survey and all the evidence of voter fraud.

I went to the Rasmussen web site. 2 of the questions asked are did you fill out the ballot for someone else or did someone else fill out the ballot for you. It doesn't mean that the person filling out the ballot put in a name contrary to the voter's wishes. Rasmussen didn't ask about that.

And the unreliability of the poll is obvious. 17% filled out a ballot for a state they no longer lived in? There's something called ERIC, the voter roll program that checks for precisely this kind of activity. Oddly enough, right-wingers want to cancel it. And they're succeeding in Red States to do just that.

https://www.votebeat.org/23045551/eric-electronic-registration-information-center-voter-roll-matching-program/

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13 hours ago, illisdean said:

As in Bided, stole the election? Of course he didn't win a fair election. 20% of mail-in voters admitted they cheated. Check the Rasmussen survey and all the evidence of voter fraud.

Please add the awarding by Fox News to the insurmountable lying about the fraud to you dumb assesment.

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2 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Please add the awarding by Fox News to the insurmountable lying about the fraud to you dumb assesment.

That’s not an assessment it’s what rational people call magical thinking or if you prefer trolling or deliberate misinformation it’s obviously bull……

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