More than a third of US adults say Biden’s 2020 victory was not legitimate

[candide]

10 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  The Capitol hill protestors wanted to uphold the democratic vote and to stop the election being stolen , they were fighting for democracy 

There is just a small detail in the way of this good story: elections had not been stolen.

 

Actually, it seems you are indirectly incriminating Trump. Who told them elections had been stolen.? 

[Danderman123]

20 minutes ago, johng said:

 

 

Also only protesters died on that day one shot by police, no police officers died.

 

 

U.S. Attorney Matthew Graves for the District of Columbia said the attack was likely “the largest single-day, mass assault of law enforcement officers in our nation’s history.”

 

Over 140 police injured.

 

5 police deaths in connection with confrontations with protesters.

[Danderman123]

26 minutes ago, johng said:

 

 

The police firing tear gas at the protesters that led to the riot in the first place.

You are either gaslighting or lying. The events of January 6 are well known.

 

Here's a clue: the plan was for the insurrectionists to enter the Capitol and capture Mike Pence and Nanci Pelosi.

 

Do you disagree?

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

There is just a small detail in the way of this good story: elections had not been stolen.

 

Actually, it seems you are indirectly incriminating Trump. Who told them elections had been stolen.? 

 

   There are still some people quite a lot actually, who question whether the election was stolen or not 

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Voter data expert hired by Trump campaign says 2020 election was not stolen

Ken Block, whom the Trump campaign hired in 2020 to find voter fraud in the election, penned an op-ed Tuesday stating unequivocally that the 2020 presidential election was not stolen and that there was no evidence of voter fraud sufficient to change the outcome of the election.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4385239-voter-data-expert-trump-campaign-2020-election-not-stolen/

 

 

Trump paid me to find voter fraud. Then he lied after I found 2020 election wasn't stolen.

The findings of my company’s in-depth analysis are detailed in the depositions taken by the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol. The transcripts show that the campaign found no evidence of voter fraud sufficient to change the outcome of any election. That message was communicated directly to White House chief of staff Mark Meadows.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2024/01/02/trump-lies-voter-fraud-2020-impact-2024-election/72057016007/

[candide]

21 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   There are still some people quite a lot actually, who question whether the election was stolen or not 

Right! Some people are ready to believe anything Trump tells them.

 

That's no proof it actually happened. As I posted before a poll showed 46% of Republicans believed the pizzagate conspiracy theory and another showed 61% believed the birther conspiracy theory. Does that make these theories true?

[Danderman123]

3 hours ago, johng said:

 

 

The police opening doors and leading the "insurrectionist's" around inside the capitol.

 

You are referring to Capitol Police ushering insurrectionists out of the Capitol on January 6.

 

How about the insurrectionists who fought the police to get into the Capitol?

[illisdean]

13 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

5 police deaths in connection with confrontations with protesters.

"Connection", as in connection with suicide (4 cops) and stroke, (same cop that died twice, once from being bludgeoned with a fire extinguisher (didn't happens) and also died from a stroke days later)). 

 

Nice try at misinforming and making up stories, embellishing, lies etc. It must suck to have to make up lies when you, as usual and so often,,, GOT NOTHING.

LOL. Do you realize how foolish you look?

Link to Reuters report

 

U.S. Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick (stroke victim)

Edited January 11 by illisdean

[candide]

3 hours ago, illisdean said:

"Connection", as in connection with suicide (4 cops) and stroke, (same cop that died twice, once from being bludgeoned with a fire extinguisher (didn't happens) and also died from a stroke days later)). 

 

Nice try at misinforming and making up stories, embellishing, lies etc. It must suck to have to make up lies when you, as usual and so often,,, GOT NOTHING.

LOL. Do you realize how foolish you look?

Link to Reuters report

 

U.S. Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick (stroke victim)

N8ce picture of peacefully protest! 😅

[ozimoron]

3 hours ago, illisdean said:

"Connection", as in connection with suicide (4 cops) and stroke, (same cop that died twice, once from being bludgeoned with a fire extinguisher (didn't happens) and also died from a stroke days later)). 

 

Nice try at misinforming and making up stories, embellishing, lies etc. It must suck to have to make up lies when you, as usual and so often,,, GOT NOTHING.

LOL. Do you realize how foolish you look?

 

Massive logic failure here. Strokes happen suddenly but aren't caused suddenly. Elevated blood pressure causes strokes. Stress causes elevated blood pressure. Thousands of rabid extremists issuing death threats raises blood pressure. The police have deemed his death to be in the line of duty.

[Danderman123]

22 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

There was no "insurrection".

 

[Danderman123]

6 hours ago, illisdean said:

"Connection", as in connection with suicide (4 cops) and stroke, (same cop that died twice, once from being bludgeoned with a fire extinguisher (didn't happens) and also died from a stroke days later)). 

 

Nice try at misinforming and making up stories, embellishing, lies etc. It must suck to have to make up lies when you, as usual and so often,,, GOT NOTHING.

LOL. Do you realize how foolish you look?

Link to Reuters report

 

U.S. Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick (stroke victim)

What's your point?

[heybruce]

On 1/10/2024 at 8:44 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   There are still some people quite a lot actually, who question whether the election was stolen or not 

Ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law.

[Nick Carter icp]

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

Ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law.

 

  It isn't against the law to have suspicions that there may have been some people cheating 

[Tug]

32 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  It isn't against the law to have suspicions that there may have been some people cheating 

Here’s some advice for ya you best have incontrovertible FACTS that there was massive cheating period .these people attacked the very seat of our democracy on the word of a serial bunko artist they are paying (rightly so) for being gullible enough to believe him .soon he’s going to join them in the penitentiary and I’d be delighted if they got up close and personal with him for ruining their lives 

Edited January 12 by Tug

[Danderman123]

On 1/10/2024 at 10:26 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  The Capitol hill protestors wanted to uphold the democratic vote and to stop the election being stolen , they were fighting for democracy 

The democratic vote was to be certified on January 6.

 

The insurrectionists wanted to nullify the democratic vote by blocking the certification.

 

It sounds like you oppose democracy.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  It isn't against the law to have suspicions that there may have been some people cheating 

Suspicions about the 2020 election may be crazy, but not illegal.

 

Trying to obstruct the vote certification is illegal.

[Nick Carter icp]

4 hours ago, Tug said:

Here’s some advice for ya you best have incontrovertible FACTS that there was massive cheating period .these people attacked the very seat of our democracy on the word of a serial bunko artist they are paying (rightly so) for being gullible enough to believe him .soon he’s going to join them in the penitentiary and I’d be delighted if they got up close and personal with him for ruining their lives 

 

   More likely that Mr Trump will pardon them , when he gets to be President again this year

[Tug]

18 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   More likely that Mr Trump will pardon them , when he gets to be President again this year

Ain’t gonna happen 

[heybruce]

20 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  It isn't against the law to have suspicions that there may have been some people cheating 

The Jan 6 rioters aren't being prosecuted for their suspicions, they're being prosecuted for storming the Capitol.  Do you understand the difference?

[Danderman123]

17 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   More likely that Mr Trump will pardon them , when he gets to be President again this year

He said they were Antifa and FBI.

[placeholder]

On 1/12/2024 at 6:31 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  It isn't against the law to have suspicions that there may have been some people cheating 

But it is clueless to have suspicions that a significant number were

 

Trump paid me to find voter fraud. Then he lied after I found 2020 election wasn't stolen.

I am the expert who was hired by the Trump campaign.

The findings of my company’s in-depth analysis are detailed in the depositions taken by the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol. The transcripts show that the campaign found no evidence of voter fraud sufficient to change the outcome of any election. That message was communicated directly to White House chief of staff Mark Meadows.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2024/01/02/trump-lies-voter-fraud-2020-impact-2024-election/72057016007/

 

Actually, there were 2 teams of investigators hired by the Trump campaign to find significant voter fraud. They both came up empty.

 

And it is also clueless to make predictions about an election that is almost a year away. I guess to you that means if Trump loses again that will be proof that another election was stolen.

Edited January 12 by placeholder

[Walker88]

On 1/10/2024 at 10:56 AM, Liverpool Lou said:

There was no "insurrection".

None is so blind as he who has eyes but refuses to see.

 

It WAS an insurrection...an attempt to overthrow the government. Those goobers and terrorists were not heading to the Capitol---at traitor trump's request---to buy souvenirs. They weren't beating cops with metal pipes, flagpoles and stick, nor shooting bear spray at them, because they just heard about a big discount on Capitol Coffee Mugs.

 

They fully intended to stop the certification of the election. Many of them were hellbent on hanging the Vice President (because he refused to break the law) and killing the Speaker of the House.

 

That you cannot see nor accept that says a lot about your mental stability, or lack thereof. There is no other explanation for that degree of idiocy.

[Walker88]

On 1/10/2024 at 1:26 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  The Capitol hill protestors wanted to uphold the democratic vote and to stop the election being stolen , they were fighting for democracy 

Silly.

 

They were sent there by a crybaby traitor and intended to both stop the certification of a legitimate election, plus hang the Vice President and kill the Speaker of the House. They assaulted cops, injuring 147 of them.

 

Sadly, only one of the terrorists was shot. All should have been napalmed. Those terrorists represented a much greater threat to the US than all the jihadis in the tribal areas of Pakistan, in Afghanistan, or the Iranian general trump ordered killed.

[Walker88]

It should be noted that almost a third of all Americans believe Tom Hanks and Hillary Clinton are part of an international cabal that kidnaps, rapes, roasts and eats babies (QAnon).

 

Look at the IQ Bell Curve. There's a huge area left of the mean, by definition. Go a standard deviation or two left of the mean, and you arrive in the heart of trumpistan.

 

trumpers are not the brightest lights. They lost the Birth Lottery. They are the reason the Nigerian 419 Scam is still going strong.

[Walker88]

On 1/11/2024 at 11:31 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  It isn't against the law to have suspicions that there may have been some people cheating 

It IS against the law to engage in violence because of a silly opinion.

 

Courts that had judges appointed by both Dems and Repubs---and even trump-appointed judges---viewed the so-called 'evidence' and found it spurious. Recounts in several States found no evidence of fraud (save for a guy in PA who voted for his dead mother---and he had her vote for trump).

 

Even the silly "Cyberninjas" who did the investigation in Arizona, found out that trump lost AZ.

 

These 1/3 of Americans are the kind of people who believed the absurdity---spouted by the obviously insane Sydney Powell---that the dead Hugo Chavez programmed (from the grave) an Italian satellite that altered Dominion voting machines.

 

The Onion could not produce a more absurd story, yet trumpers bought into it. That smacks of 60-70 IQ.

[candide]

2 hours ago, Walker88 said:

It IS against the law to engage in violence because of a silly opinion.

 

Courts that had judges appointed by both Dems and Repubs---and even trump-appointed judges---viewed the so-called 'evidence' and found it spurious. Recounts in several States found no evidence of fraud (save for a guy in PA who voted for his dead mother---and he had her vote for trump).

 

Even the silly "Cyberninjas" who did the investigation in Arizona, found out that trump lost AZ.

 

These 1/3 of Americans are the kind of people who believed the absurdity---spouted by the obviously insane Sydney Powell---that the dead Hugo Chavez programmed (from the grave) an Italian satellite that altered Dominion voting machines.

 

The Onion could not produce a more absurd story, yet trumpers bought into it. That smacks of 60-70 IQ.

On top of it, Dominion machines which were not connected.

And the pizzeria cited in the conspiracy theory has no basement! 😅

Dumber than dumb!

[Danderman123]

On 1/10/2024 at 10:26 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  The Capitol hill protestors wanted to uphold the democratic vote and to stop the election being stolen , they were fighting for democracy 

This isn't really a political discussion, it's a mental health issue. You clearly seem to be a bit detached from reality.

 

Here is a test for you: are there any facts that would change your opinion?

 

If Trump were to admit, as an example, that he knew he lost the 2020 election, and he used the insurrection to stay in power, would that change your mind?

 

Do you really think that it was necessary to stop a democratic vote to save democracy?

[Danderman123]

On 1/10/2024 at 10:44 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   There are still some people quite a lot actually, who question whether the election was stolen or not 

There are still some people quite a lot actually, who question whether the Earth is round.

 

The 2 groups have 1 thing in common: actual data is irrelevant to them.

 

"Truthiness" is their touchstone: if something feels true, it is true, even if it isn't.

Edited January 13 by Danderman123

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

There are still some people quite a lot actually, who question whether the Earth is round.

 

The 2 groups have 1 thing in common: actual data is irrelevant to them.

 

"Truthiness" is their touchstone: if something feels true, it is true, even if it isn't.

 

  Its a bit like who killed JFK : No one really knows , although we all have our suspicions as to who was responsible