Israeli ambassador launches campaign to remind Thais about the hostages still being held in Gaza

[Morch]

On 1/15/2024 at 7:50 AM, newbee2022 said:

The world should know that. And the responsible killers be prosecuted by International court as demanded by South Africa. Probably UN peacekeeping forces should be sent to stop that genocide.

 

You're obviously not aware of what the South African move amounts to (hint - much less than you hope for, on a good day), the timeline (final ruling can take years), or which body does what (prosecution such as you fantasize about is for the ICC to carry out, not the ICJ). UN 'peace keeping' forces? And how would these deal with Hamas? How well are they doing in Southern Lebanon? What good did they do in Syria?

[Morch]

On 1/15/2024 at 9:11 AM, ozimoron said:

 

When was a 2,000 pound bomb dropped on an apartment building not indiscriminate bombing?

 

 

No.

[Morch]

23 hours ago, Srikcir said:

Considering Thailand's lethargic reaction to the almost 2 million Ukrainian hostages held by Russia as a result of its 2014 invasion of the Crimea Peninsula, I'd imagine Thailand's reaction would be, "How will the current Gaza conflict affect tourism in Thailand."

 

 

Were there many Thai people killed, taken hostage in Ukraine?

[Morch]

23 hours ago, ThaiFelix said:

News reports coming even from Israel show that is quite possible with the Israelis panicking in the first days and shooting anything that moved, even their own soldiers with white flags.  That says it all.

 

 

What the above shows is that you do not actually follow events. The incident you described did not happen in 'the first days', but a couple of months into the fighting. Of course, being the battle hardened combat veteran that you are, you'd know all about how soldiers may react in such situations....

[digbeth]

On 1/15/2024 at 6:51 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

Any such campaign, independent of the subject, should be illegal.

We have more than enough traffic in Bangkok, we really don't need a 100-vehicle Tuk Tuk campaign!

you think they got extra tuk-tuks just to run around showing ads?

 

what do you think is more plausible? just putting ads on existing tuk-tuks or procuring entirely new vehicles just to run the ads and clog up your street inconveniencing you

[Morch]

23 hours ago, ThaiFelix said:

Thats is almost laughable when you see the sheer distruction of residentail blocks one after another raised to the ground.  Do you seriously want us to believe their was a Hamas soldier hiding in every house in block after block?  Nice try lol!

 

Pretty much, yes. Numerous tunnels and exists all over the place, running under residential buildings, hospitals, schools and whatnot. Caches of arms, ammo, rockets and all the rest found in numerous apartments. Plenty of footage of these.

[Morch]

21 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

This is pure hypocrisy by Israel. It is very obvious the safe return of hostages is a very low priority to the right wing government.  If they cared about them, they would stop risking killing them with indiscriminate bombing and would be negotiating for their return.

 

There were negotiations, and hostages were traded. Hamas decided to break the agreement, for its own reasons. Since then, Hamas refuses to go back to the premises of the previous agreement, and makes wide-reaching demands instead. You seem to imagine that this is just a straight forward dealing between parties - it isn't.

[Morch]

2 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Deal with Hammas on a diplomatic level.....

Have a non-invasive siege of the enclave.

Negotiation could have been tried.

I of course do not have the solutions, but is the current slaughter of innocents and abject misery being put upon families of poor people the only solution? Blowing up hospitals is the answer....?

 

 

 

There were negotiations, there were hostages trades - Hamas broke the agreement. Now it raises demands (not even clear in return for what, exactly) that can only be described as impossible.

 

A non-invasive siege was the situation before that. Didn't seem to work out too well.

 

What hospitals were 'blown'? Other than the infamous incident in which a Palestinian rocket hit one of them?

[Morch]

2 hours ago, jacko45k said:

No, as much as I think the many thousands of poor families deserve to be slaughtered and forced from their homes. The Israelis have killed far more babies than Hamas. 

 

Hamas leadership said outright that dead Palestinians are a necessary sacrifice for 'the cause'. There were comment made about the blood of babies paving the way for victory etc.

 

Hamas knew Israel's reaction would be harsh. There was no attempt to protect the civilians under its rule. No offer of shelter in them tunnels. Calls on civilians to stay put instead of evacuate. Breaking off negotiations and hostage trades which resulted in the fighting pausing. Hijacking supplies. And using the populace as human shields.

 

In your mind, it's all Israel Bad.

[OneMoreFarang]

7 minutes ago, digbeth said:

you think they got extra tuk-tuks just to run around showing ads?

 

what do you think is more plausible? just putting ads on existing tuk-tuks or procuring entirely new vehicles just to run the ads and clog up your street inconveniencing you

I am sure there are companies which own those tuk tuks and allow those campains.

I saw many times 3 or 5 tuk tuks (or similar 3 wheel vehicles) with big signs driving along the road. Only signs, no passengers, just for the ads. As far as I am concerned that should be illegal. 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

 

81 statements by senior Israeli officials demonstrating genocidal intent.

 

@ozimoron

 

That would be you jumping the gun again, as if South Africa already won it's ICJ case.

How many of these statements were made by those in actual positions of control and power?

How about all them Hamas leadership comments and statements which you ignore?

[Morch]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

 

link?

 

No.

The hospital incidents was covered extensively. It was discussed on multiple posts and topics on here.

This wasn't even all that long ago.

You do not get to do this obstruction/deflection thing each and every time.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

 

many, many links already posted. One cannot drop a 2,000 pound bomb on a densely populated area without killing babies. It's utterly impossible.

 

@ozimoron

 

Why are there babies present? Civilians were advised to evacuate?

 

As for your usual ignorant assertions - international laws actually does allow for civilian casualties, even if you imagine otherwise.

[Morch]

49 minutes ago, JCauto said:

 

LOL. You new to warfare? There's smart bombs, and there's dumb ones. The smart ones are expensive, and they're not the majority of what's dropped in any war for that reason. Have you observed anything in Ukraine? It's such a dumb comment, you'd have to be living in a box to have such a lack of understanding.

 

People have some outdated ideas about 'dumb' bombs. This isn't WWII, or even Vietnam. You don't just toss them out the back of the plane, and hope for the best. A modern 'dumb' bomb, dropped from a modern aircraft and by a competent pilot would be far more accurate than what people imagine.

 

This ain't not 'carpet bombing' style thing.

[newbee2022]

21 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

You're obviously not aware of what the South African move amounts to (hint - much less than you hope for, on a good day), the timeline (final ruling can take years), or which body does what (prosecution such as you fantasize about is for the ICC to carry out, not the ICJ). UN 'peace keeping' forces? And how would these deal with Hamas? How well are they doing in Southern Lebanon? What good did they do in Syria?

Gibberish. Start again. Do your homework and check the facts.😕

[newbee2022]

1 minute ago, Morch said:

 

People have some outdated ideas about 'dumb' bombs. This isn't WWII, or even Vietnam. You don't just toss them out the back of the plane, and hope for the best. A modern 'dumb' bomb, dropped from a modern aircraft and by a competent pilot would be far more accurate than what people imagine.

 

This ain't not 'carpet bombing' style thing.

Rubbish. 

[Morch]

Just now, newbee2022 said:

Gibberish. Start again. Do your homework and check the facts.😕

 

These are facts.

That you cannot handle them, and resort to your usual style of response doesn't change them.

[Morch]

Just now, newbee2022 said:

Rubbish. 

 

I'm sure you couldn't demonstrate how.

[JCauto]

1 minute ago, Morch said:

 

People have some outdated ideas about 'dumb' bombs. This isn't WWII, or even Vietnam. You don't just toss them out the back of the plane, and hope for the best. A modern 'dumb' bomb, dropped from a modern aircraft and by a competent pilot would be far more accurate than what people imagine.

 

This ain't not 'carpet bombing' style thing.

 

Agreed, it's not. Carpet bombing IS indiscriminate. But this ain't that.

 

Any conflict anywhere in the world over the last 20 years should have shown you by now that there's no such thing as precision bombing and there are always casualties in any armed conflict because it is the nature of the awful beast. The death and destruction to the civilian population and infrastructure was a deliberate choice by Hamas, who are pleased especially when people don't seem to understand that this wasn't just an acceptable cost to Hamas but the desired result.

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Gibberish. Start again. Do your homework and check the facts.😕

The one who needs some revision is you, the full case will take years for a decision, there are no prosecutions with ICJ, you are confusing this with the ICC. 

 

The hearings on the 11th and 12th Jan do will not decide whether Israel is committing genocide, but instead will assess whether South Africa’s case is strong enough to issue provisional measures.

[retarius]

Yet more propaganda from the murderous Israeli regime. Stop murdering innocent Palestinian women and children and the hostages will be released. Simple, to everyone except murderous warmongers. 

[Morch]

40 minutes ago, retarius said:

Yet more propaganda from the murderous Israeli regime. Stop murdering innocent Palestinian women and children and the hostages will be released. Simple, to everyone except murderous warmongers. 

 

You're making things up again.

 

Murder implies intent. The intent is in your mind and propaganda posts.

Is Israel was bent on killing civilians the death toll would be much higher. There would be no warnings, no evacuations, no aid whatsoever let in. Hospitals would have been demolished. That's not quite how things are, though.

 

As for you assertions that all Palestinians killed were innocent, rubbish. Many were Hamas men.

 

The notion that stopping the war would see the immediate release of the hostages is something that is not guaranteed at all.

 

Simple is as simple posts.

[JCauto]

2 hours ago, retarius said:

Yet more propaganda from the murderous Israeli regime. Stop murdering innocent Palestinian women and children and the hostages will be released. Simple, to everyone except murderous warmongers. 

 

Sorry, the "hostages"? Where did they come from? Were the hostages murdering innocent Palestinian women and children? Or were they the victims of the murderous Hamas terror regime? Simple, to everyone except those supporting murderous terrorists.

[herfiehandbag]

2 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Rubbish. 

Experienced ground attack pilot or Forward Air Controller are you?

 

I've been an FAC. To claim that "dumb bombs" and other unguided munitions are inherently inaccurate is <deleted>.

 

No one wants to "carpet bomb" these days. Apart from the inevitable civilian casualties ( which apart from the frothy mouthed propagandists for Hamas), no body wants, a completely rubbled and largely impassable built up area is not an environment in which any modern army would wish to fight. The advantages are all with the defender 

Edited January 16 by herfiehandbag

[Eloquent pilgrim]

2 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Rubbish. 

 

This is exactly the kind of carefully considered, intelligent comment that has made your contributions so well respected on this forum  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[newbee2022]

29 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Experienced ground attack pilot or Forward Air Controller are you?

 

I've been an FAC. To claim that "dumb bombs" and other unguided munitions are inherently inaccurate is <deleted>.

 

No one wants to "carpet bomb" these days. Apart from the inevitable civilian casualties ( which apart from the frothy mouthed propagandists for Hamas), no body wants, a completely rubbled and largely impassable built up area is not an environment in which any modern army would wish to fight. The advantages are all with the defender 

Is that a profession? FAC??? You'll get a certificate? Acknowledged by ???

Sorry, but I never joined any army and don't need any nurses around me nor anybody to give me orders.

So, for me there is no different in any bombs because they are made for killing, no matter civilians or armed people. 🙏

[herfiehandbag]

4 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Is that a profession? FAC??? You'll get a certificate? Acknowledged by ???

Sorry, but I never joined any army and don't need any nurses around me nor anybody to give me orders.

So, for me there is no different in any bombs because they are made for killing, no matter civilians or armed people. 🙏

Yes, it is a profession. I was for many years an officer in the British Army. An artillery officer. My duties in the field revolved around identifying targets and engaging them with fire from artillery (canon), mortars, aircraft, attack helicopters, and even occasionally naval vessels. The part involving aircraft and armed helicopters was "Forward Air Controlling (FAC)". It was done by radio or latterly computer link over radio, from a static observation post, or on foot if working with infantry, or a vehicle accompanying armour, or even occasionally from a light observation helicopter. That is what an FAC does.

 

Now if you have never been in the army, fine. If you don't under stand the skills used, fine. But if, as @Morch suggests you run your mouth off in this way then you just make yourself look silly and ignorant.

 

I have no idea where nurses come into the whole matter.

 

 

Edited January 16 by herfiehandbag

[billd766]

On 1/15/2024 at 12:05 PM, riclag said:

 “The Tuk Tuk messaging campaign aims to remind the public about the plight of the innocent people being held by the group”.

 Say their name, Terrorist .

Those Terrorist should of released all the hostages by now.

Please explain the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter.

 

Nelson Mandela was called both a terrorist and a freedom fighter, yet ended up as President of South Africa.

 

I would call Netanyahu a terrorist and a war criminal for what he has ordered to be done in the Gaza strip, and has been doing for years.

 

But that is just my opinion, which is worth the same as your opinion.

[billd766]

10 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Oh, I see we have another Hamas apologist on here 

Good. The more, the better.

[Nick Carter icp]

9 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Please explain the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter.

 

Nelson Mandela was called both a terrorist and a freedom fighter, yet ended up as President of South Africa.

 

I would call Netanyahu a terrorist and a war criminal for what he has ordered to be done in the Gaza strip, and has been doing for years.

 

But that is just my opinion, which is worth the same as your opinion.

 

   Your opinion is wrong though , although you are free to be wrong about things . 

Saying things that are wrong though , well, just shows that you are wrong