How can the war between Israel and Hamas ever end when so many schools in Gaza - run by a UN agency backed by our millions - teach children to hate Jews?

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Do you seriously not know the difference between not realizing that the UN is very biased against Israel (which is an obvious fact) and thinking that Israel can do no wrong (which of course I have never thought)? Amazing!

Do you have any facts to back up this bizarre claim? 

[Jingthing]

18 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Do you have any facts to back up this bizarre claim? 

None that an Israel demonizer would accept.

Can the UN Finally Cease Its Relentless Anti-Israel Bias? | Opinion (newsweek.com)

A few years ago, after the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) had just passed its usual litany of anti-Israel resolutions, an exasperated UN translator accidentally told the world the truth. Thinking only her colleagues could hear her speaking into the microphone, she caused laughter but no embarrassment among the diplomats as she exposed their farce: "When you have...like a total of 10 resolutions on Israel and Palestine, that's a bit much, no?"

[Neeranam]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

None that an Israel demonizer would accept.

Can the UN Finally Cease Its Relentless Anti-Israel Bias? | Opinion (newsweek.com)

A few years ago, after the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) had just passed its usual litany of anti-Israel resolutions, an exasperated UN translator accidentally told the world the truth. Thinking only her colleagues could hear her speaking into the microphone, she caused laughter but no embarrassment among the diplomats as she exposed their farce: "When you have...like a total of 10 resolutions on Israel and Palestine, that's a bit much, no?"

Vine on man, the UN was formed to protect all countries equally. 

Israel have got off with murder, that other countries wouldn't have. 

[Jingthing]

8 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Vine on man, the UN was formed to protect all countries equally. 

Israel have got off with murder, that other countries wouldn't have. 

So part of their agenda to run schools to teach Arab kids to hate Jews and grow up to murder them. Stay classy UN. 

Edited January 25 by Jingthing

[Morch]

35 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

If you continue to falsely accuse me of copying stuff, you're back on ignore. 

It's well out of order. 

 

 

Who cares.

Run off, little troll.

[Morch]

40 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

Interesting how this all focuses on the UN.

 

The UNWRA is indeed a UN agency, however there are some important caveats to add. The people who work in this organization are all Palestinian refugees. It is not an international agency with staff from all over the world, or even with staff from the UN. 

 

Is it surprising that Palestinian refugees may support Hamas after everything that has happened? This is not to say it is correct, it is obviously a terrible thing to do. Understanding why something is happening does not equate to saying it is ok to do.

 

It is undeniable that hatred is indeed taught in Palestinian schools, but it is also evident that Israel teaches the same in its schools.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/aug/07/israeli-school-racism-claim

 

https://vermontdailychronicle.com/__trashed-4/

 

 

 

You are aware that's the model many such agencies employ, right? Same goes for human right organizations, the Red Cross and all the rest. On the ground it's almost always a skeleton crew of outsiders, and a whole lot of locals. Nothing special about that. You're just running interference, and doing a lame job while at it.

[retarius]

The headline points to an obvious truth, Israel should stop its occupation and give Palestinians a homeland like the Jews have. Netanyahu's rejection of the two state solution because he wants to steal more Palestinian lands is an outrage. But just a correction, there are no schools in Gaza, just as there are no hospitals functioning because of the Israeli bombing.

Israel seems not to notice that their actions cause the Palestinians to hate them, so stop the action to stop the hate. There is no justification for all this murder and hate from Israel, treating Palestinians like they were subhuman. 

If you kill people their relatives will hate you until they die.....but if you steal their land they will hate you forever. Getting rid of Hamas will not get rid of the original injustice, and will result in a movement more extreme and violent than Hamas. With drones it's pretty easy to deliver any sort of really nasty substance into Israel, and it is only a matter of time until Hamas or its successor gets hold of really nasty stuff. Better to solve this by negotiation rather than an endless cycle of violence,

[stoner]

8 hours ago, sirineou said:

That's a loaded title if I ever heard one. 

 

don't forget the great picture too. 

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, retarius said:

The headline points to an obvious truth, Israel should stop its occupation and give Palestinians a homeland like the Jews have. Netanyahu's rejection of the two state solution because he wants to steal more Palestinian lands is an outrage. But just a correction, there are no schools in Gaza, just as there are no hospitals functioning because of the Israeli bombing.

Israel seems not to notice that their actions cause the Palestinians to hate them, so stop the action to stop the hate. There is no justification for all this murder and hate from Israel, treating Palestinians like they were subhuman. 

If you kill people their relatives will hate you until they die.....but if you steal their land they will hate you forever. Getting rid of Hamas will not get rid of the original injustice, and will result in a movement more extreme and violent than Hamas. With drones it's pretty easy to deliver any sort of really nasty substance into Israel, and it is only a matter of time until Hamas or its successor gets hold of really nasty stuff. Better to solve this by negotiation rather than an endless cycle of violence,

 

 

Hamas is not into a two-state solution either. Don't see you saying a whole lot about that.

Palestinians refused chances of setting up their own state several times - nothing about this mentioned in your comments.

 

As for the 'no schools in Gaza' bit - I doubt you didn't get the point of the article, but just in case - this is more about the background to things.

 

Apparently, in your book, it's all Israel. Palestinians never did or do anything to foster the animosity. Never took any action, only responded, eh?

 

No justification? 7/10 comes to mind, hostages still held come to mind. Try harder.

 

There can be no solution with your sort of one-sided views holding sway.

[Brickleberry]

8 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

 

You are aware that's the model many such agencies employ, right? Same goes for human right organizations, the Red Cross and all the rest. On the ground it's almost always a skeleton crew of outsiders, and a whole lot of locals. Nothing special about that. You're just running interference, and doing a lame job while at it.

 

Notice you didn't comment on Israeli schools teaching their children to hate. You only spoke about the Palestinians. I didn't attempt to justify the hate being taught.

 

No interference, no justification, but there is balance. Both sides are doing it. To try and say they are not is ludicrous.

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, retarius said:

The headline points to an obvious truth, Israel should stop its occupation and give Palestinians a homeland like the Jews have. Netanyahu's rejection of the two state solution because he wants to steal more Palestinian lands is an outrage. But just a correction, there are no schools in Gaza, just as there are no hospitals functioning because of the Israeli bombing.

Israel seems not to notice that their actions cause the Palestinians to hate them, so stop the action to stop the hate. There is no justification for all this murder and hate from Israel, treating Palestinians like they were subhuman. 

If you kill people their relatives will hate you until they die.....but if you steal their land they will hate you forever. Getting rid of Hamas will not get rid of the original injustice, and will result in a movement more extreme and violent than Hamas. With drones it's pretty easy to deliver any sort of really nasty substance into Israel, and it is only a matter of time until Hamas or its successor gets hold of really nasty stuff. Better to solve this by negotiation rather than an endless cycle of violence,

Interesting.

The Palestinians don't want their own state side by side with Israel. 

They want to expel and or kill all the Jews in Israel and have it all.

You may say you don't blame them. Fine. Then don't blame Israel for not committing suicide.

[beautifulthailand99]

6 minutes ago, retarius said:

The headline points to an obvious truth, Israel should stop its occupation and give Palestinians a homeland like the Jews have. Netanyahu's rejection of the two state solution because he wants to steal more Palestinian lands is an outrage. But just a correction, there are no schools in Gaza, just as there are no hospitals functioning because of the Israeli bombing.

Israel seems not to notice that their actions cause the Palestinians to hate them, so stop the action to stop the hate. There is no justification for all this murder and hate from Israel, treating Palestinians like they were subhuman. 

If you kill people their relatives will hate you until they die.....but if you steal their land they will hate you forever. Getting rid of Hamas will not get rid of the original injustice, and will result in a movement more extreme and violent than Hamas. With drones it's pretty easy to deliver any sort of really nasty substance into Israel, and it is only a matter of time until Hamas or its successor gets hold of really nasty stuff. Better to solve this by negotiation rather than an endless cycle of violence,

The superb Israeli journalist and ex-advisor to the Israeli PM Shimon Peres, Gideon Levy has an excellent conversation about just this in the latest edition of the New Statesman. There are sane voices in the madness hopefully in time they will prevail as he says the only hope is the next generation. This generation is lost.

 

Levy, now 71, has seen many attempts to achieve peace throughout his career, first as an aide and spokesman for Shimon Peres, then as leader of Israel’s Labor Party, and later as a reporter and writer for the leading Israeli daily Haaretz. But, as he explains below, none of those attempts could have possibly succeeded because no one was committed to a true two-state solution.

 

 

https://www.newstatesman.com/international-content/the-international-interview/2024/01/israel-palestine-one-two-state-solution

 

GL: For many years, I would have agreed with Leibowitz. Not anymore. The decisive moment is the Nakba [the Arabic word for “catastrophe”, which Palestinians use to refer to the 1948 displacement of Palestinians, which culminated in the creation of the state of Israel]. The decisive moment is 1948. A people came to a populated land and took it over. That’s the core of everything.  

The problem is that ever since 1948, Israel never changed its policy and its attitude towards the Palestinians. What happened in 1948 is happening now on a daily basis. Gaza is a part of 1948. Therefore, any solution which will not include some kind of accountability of 1948 and some kind of compensation – not only in terms of money – will not be a just solution.

That’s the way Palestinians see it. They cannot care about the connection between the Jews and the land of Israel, based on [the] mythology of the Bible. The fact is that over so many hundreds of years, Jews didn’t come here. And so, if we do not touch the core of the wound, we will never heal it. And that’s the core of the wound.

[Morch]

Just now, Brickleberry said:

 

Notice you didn't comment on Israeli schools teaching their children to hate. You only spoke about the Palestinians. I didn't attempt to justify the hate being taught.

 

No interference, no justification, but there is balance. Both sides are doing it. To try and say they are not is ludicrous.

 

Yawn.

 

Go back to my original comment.

It was about your 'thousands of children and women' held exaggeration.

All you do since that was pointed out is deflect.

[Bkk Brian]

48 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Do you have any facts to back up this bizarre claim? 

Yes lots, here's the first one for you.

 

Every session of the UN Human Rights Council features a standing agenda item targeting Israel. No other country in the world—not Iran, Russia or North Korea—is singled out in this fashion.

[Morch]

Just now, beautifulthailand99 said:

The superb Israeli journalist and ex-advisor to the Israeli PM Shimon Peres, Gideon Levy has an excellent conversation about just this in the latest edition of the New Statesman. There are sane voices in the madness hopefully in time they will prevail as he says the only hope is the next generation. This generation is lost.

 

Levy, now 71, has seen many attempts to achieve peace throughout his career, first as an aide and spokesman for Shimon Peres, then as leader of Israel’s Labor Party, and later as a reporter and writer for the leading Israeli daily Haaretz. But, as he explains below, none of those attempts could have possibly succeeded because no one was committed to a true two-state solution.

 

 

https://www.newstatesman.com/international-content/the-international-interview/2024/01/israel-palestine-one-two-state-solution

 

GL: For many years, I would have agreed with Leibowitz. Not anymore. The decisive moment is the Nakba [the Arabic word for “catastrophe”, which Palestinians use to refer to the 1948 displacement of Palestinians, which culminated in the creation of the state of Israel]. The decisive moment is 1948. A people came to a populated land and took it over. That’s the core of everything.  

The problem is that ever since 1948, Israel never changed its policy and its attitude towards the Palestinians. What happened in 1948 is happening now on a daily basis. Gaza is a part of 1948. Therefore, any solution which will not include some kind of accountability of 1948 and some kind of compensation – not only in terms of money – will not be a just solution.

That’s the way Palestinians see it. They cannot care about the connection between the Jews and the land of Israel, based on [the] mythology of the Bible. The fact is that over so many hundreds of years, Jews didn’t come here. And so, if we do not touch the core of the wound, we will never heal it. And that’s the core of the wound.

 

Superb? He's an extreme left fringe columnist. His stance is anti-Zionist, and he spends half his columns berating the Israeli left and the peace camp efforts. Also, up until not too long ago he had a phase of being a Netanyahu fan. Odd, I know - but true. Treating him as anything but a troll, is an option. 

[beautifulthailand99]

1 minute ago, Morch said:

 

Superb? He's an extreme left fringe columnist. His stance is anti-Zionist, and he spends half his columns berating the Israeli left and the peace camp efforts. Also, up until not too long ago he had a phase of being a Netanyahu fan. Odd, I know - but true. Treating him as anything but a troll, is an option. 

Well as I am left-wing and anti-Zionist I don't see them as slurs - far from it. He has lived all his life in Israel and sees himself as a patriot as well as serving his country in politics and the army. I know whose cup I would rather sup from.

 

In 2010, Levy described Hamas as a fundamentalist organization and held it responsible for the Qassam rockets fired at Israeli cities: "Hamas is to be blamed for launching the Qassams. This is unbearable. No sovereign state would have tolerated it. Israel had the right to react". "But the first question you have to ask yourselves", he continued, "is why Hamas launched the missiles. Before criticising Hamas I would rather criticise my own government which carries a much bigger responsibility for the occupation and conditions in Gaza [...] And our behaviour was unacceptable."[14]

 

On Netanhayu he has had the grace to apologise publically - we need more like him and less of the blowhards everywhere and all the time or we are truly doomed as a race.

 

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2023-05-11/ty-article-opinion/.highlight/i-was-wrong-about-netanyahus-restraint/00000188-0740-d927-a1a8-8f471ba90000

 

[Bkk Brian]

The UN last week said they never 

9 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Years ago............

Matthias Schmale, UNRWA Gaza director, 2017-2021: “Many people told me through my four years, there's tunnels everywhere and it's a safe assumption.”

https://www.npr.org/2021/11/18/1056254276/gaza-united-nations-schmale-palestinians-israel

 

Last week........

Q: Given the UN's big role in Gaza, UNRWA, has there ever been any indication to the UN that tunnels are being built under the city? UN: Not to us. I mean... it seems to me that all this infrastructure was built in a highly secretive way. I mean, I see it just as an observer... To think that the UN had any understanding of what was… any information about those operations, I think, is... No is clearly the answer to that.

 

 

More evidence the UN new about these tunnels for years but lied through their teeth last week:

 

29 November 2022

The presence of a man-made cavity underneath the grounds of an UNRWA school is a serious violation of the Agency’s neutrality and a breach of international law. Moreover, it exposes children and Agency staff to significant security and safety risks.

https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official-statements/unrwa-strongly-condemns-neutrality-breach-against-agency-gaza

 

04 June 2021

UNRWA condemns the existence and potential use by Palestinian armed groups of such tunnels underneath its schools in the strongest possible terms. It is unacceptable that students and staff be placed at risk in such a way.

https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official-statements/neutrality-and-inviolability-unrwa-installations-must-be-respected-all

 

 

 

[Brickleberry]

13 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

The superb Israeli journalist and ex-advisor to the Israeli PM Shimon Peres, Gideon Levy has an excellent conversation about just this in the latest edition of the New Statesman. There are sane voices in the madness hopefully in time they will prevail as he says the only hope is the next generation. This generation is lost.

 

Levy, now 71, has seen many attempts to achieve peace throughout his career, first as an aide and spokesman for Shimon Peres, then as leader of Israel’s Labor Party, and later as a reporter and writer for the leading Israeli daily Haaretz. But, as he explains below, none of those attempts could have possibly succeeded because no one was committed to a true two-state solution.

 

 

https://www.newstatesman.com/international-content/the-international-interview/2024/01/israel-palestine-one-two-state-solution

 

GL: For many years, I would have agreed with Leibowitz. Not anymore. The decisive moment is the Nakba [the Arabic word for “catastrophe”, which Palestinians use to refer to the 1948 displacement of Palestinians, which culminated in the creation of the state of Israel]. The decisive moment is 1948. A people came to a populated land and took it over. That’s the core of everything.  

The problem is that ever since 1948, Israel never changed its policy and its attitude towards the Palestinians. What happened in 1948 is happening now on a daily basis. Gaza is a part of 1948. Therefore, any solution which will not include some kind of accountability of 1948 and some kind of compensation – not only in terms of money – will not be a just solution.

That’s the way Palestinians see it. They cannot care about the connection between the Jews and the land of Israel, based on [the] mythology of the Bible. The fact is that over so many hundreds of years, Jews didn’t come here. And so, if we do not touch the core of the wound, we will never heal it. And that’s the core of the wound.

 

Gideon Levy, a true independent Israeli journalist. If more people listened to this man, we might have two states and peace in the region.

 

Hatred on both sides is causing this never-ending conflict. It takes great minds like his to achieve peace.

[Brickleberry]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

The UN last week said they never 

More evidence the UN new about these tunnels for years but lied through their teeth last week:

 

29 November 2022

The presence of a man-made cavity underneath the grounds of an UNRWA school is a serious violation of the Agency’s neutrality and a breach of international law. Moreover, it exposes children and Agency staff to significant security and safety risks.

https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official-statements/unrwa-strongly-condemns-neutrality-breach-against-agency-gaza

 

04 June 2021

UNRWA condemns the existence and potential use by Palestinian armed groups of such tunnels underneath its schools in the strongest possible terms. It is unacceptable that students and staff be placed at risk in such a way.

https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official-statements/neutrality-and-inviolability-unrwa-installations-must-be-respected-all

 

 

 

 

Are you on drugs? This is a report from the UNRWA reporting about events they found on UNRWA premises. How is this covering it up?

 

They found it, reported it and blocked the entrance to the tunnel. What is your complaint?

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

Are you on drugs? This is a report from the UNRWA reporting about events they found on UNRWA premises. How is this covering it up?

 

They found it, reported it and blocked the entrance to the tunnel. What is your complaint?

Yes I am on drugs for a couple of medical reasons, would you like my Hospital records?

 

Did you notice I was quoting my own post that had the UN official denying they knew anything about tunnels last week?

[beautifulthailand99]

6 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

Gideon Levy, a true independent Israeli journalist. If more people listened to this man, we might have two states and peace in the region.

 

Hatred on both sides is causing this never-ending conflict. It takes great minds like his to achieve peace.

Correct it was Ganhdi who said with an eye for an eye the whole world goes blind.

[Bkk Brian]

Plenty more evidence in the link below for the denialists

 

 

https://unwatch.org/un-watch-reports-on-unrwa-staff-antisemitism-and-incitement-to-terrorism/

 

[Morch]

13 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

Are you on drugs? This is a report from the UNRWA reporting about events they found on UNRWA premises. How is this covering it up?

 

They found it, reported it and blocked the entrance to the tunnel. What is your complaint?

 

They conducted the investigation and report after they couldn't dodge things anymore. For years they denied any knowledge of any such things, any involvement of personnel and so on.

[Morch]

8 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Correct it was Ganhdi who said with an eye for an eye the whole world goes blind.

 

How does Hamas feel about that?

[Morch]

16 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

Gideon Levy, a true independent Israeli journalist. If more people listened to this man, we might have two states and peace in the region.

 

Hatred on both sides is causing this never-ending conflict. It takes great minds like his to achieve peace.

 

Levy, for years now, is not a supporter of the two-state solution. It would be well if people would bother knowing who their instant idols are, and what they are about.

[Morch]

23 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Well as I am left-wing and anti-Zionist I don't see them as slurs - far from it. He has lived all his life in Israel and sees himself as a patriot as well as serving his country in politics and the army. I know whose cup I would rather sup from.

 

In 2010, Levy described Hamas as a fundamentalist organization and held it responsible for the Qassam rockets fired at Israeli cities: "Hamas is to be blamed for launching the Qassams. This is unbearable. No sovereign state would have tolerated it. Israel had the right to react". "But the first question you have to ask yourselves", he continued, "is why Hamas launched the missiles. Before criticising Hamas I would rather criticise my own government which carries a much bigger responsibility for the occupation and conditions in Gaza [...] And our behaviour was unacceptable."[14]

 

On Netanhayu he has had the grace to apologise publically - we need more like him and less of the blowhards everywhere and all the time or we are truly doomed as a race.

 

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2023-05-11/ty-article-opinion/.highlight/i-was-wrong-about-netanyahus-restraint/00000188-0740-d927-a1a8-8f471ba90000

 

 

Amusing. You cite position he aired (and out of context) years ago - disregarding where he's at now, politically and ideologically. As for his 'apology' - it was not well received among the readership, especially as true to form he was quick to get back into bashing the left (that is, the left that ain't as extreme as himself), the center and pretty much anyone but Netanyahu.

 

Again, idolizing people is dodgy. The man got a side job on the right-wing channel as a panel member, where his main function is being a useful idiot. 

[Neeranam]

31 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

Are you on drugs? This is a report from the UNRWA reporting about events they found on UNRWA premises. How is this covering it up?

 

They found it, reported it and blocked the entrance to the tunnel. What is your complaint?

Classic 🤣

[retarius]

47 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

The superb Israeli journalist and ex-advisor to the Israeli PM Shimon Peres, Gideon Levy has an excellent conversation about just this in the latest edition of the New Statesman. There are sane voices in the madness hopefully in time they will prevail as he says the only hope is the next generation. This generation is lost.

 

Levy, now 71, has seen many attempts to achieve peace throughout his career, first as an aide and spokesman for Shimon Peres, then as leader of Israel’s Labor Party, and later as a reporter and writer for the leading Israeli daily Haaretz. But, as he explains below, none of those attempts could have possibly succeeded because no one was committed to a true two-state solution.

 

 

https://www.newstatesman.com/international-content/the-international-interview/2024/01/israel-palestine-one-two-state-solution

 

GL: For many years, I would have agreed with Leibowitz. Not anymore. The decisive moment is the Nakba [the Arabic word for “catastrophe”, which Palestinians use to refer to the 1948 displacement of Palestinians, which culminated in the creation of the state of Israel]. The decisive moment is 1948. A people came to a populated land and took it over. That’s the core of everything.  

The problem is that ever since 1948, Israel never changed its policy and its attitude towards the Palestinians. What happened in 1948 is happening now on a daily basis. Gaza is a part of 1948. Therefore, any solution which will not include some kind of accountability of 1948 and some kind of compensation – not only in terms of money – will not be a just solution.

That’s the way Palestinians see it. They cannot care about the connection between the Jews and the land of Israel, based on [the] mythology of the Bible. The fact is that over so many hundreds of years, Jews didn’t come here. And so, if we do not touch the core of the wound, we will never heal it. And that’s the core of the wound.

Excellent stuff. Nakba has to be addressed, but a two state solutions should be tried and not pre-judged. Israel must give up all land stolen since 1967, and the Palestinians will have to accept that any other territorial claims they have will be ignored. Pity the Israelis like Bibi turn a deaf ear to Levy and and carried on with the Hate.

[Brickleberry]

25 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Plenty more evidence in the link below for the denialists

 

 

https://unwatch.org/un-watch-reports-on-unrwa-staff-antisemitism-and-incitement-to-terrorism/

 

 

Has anyone denied that it is true? Of course it is going to happen, there are over 30,000 Palestinian refugees working in this organization! Of course your gonna find plenty of examples. I certainly do not deny it is true.

 

Interesting to note you still have not commented on the confirmed reports that Israel is doing the same thing.

[Brickleberry]

24 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Levy, for years now, is not a supporter of the two-state solution. It would be well if people would bother knowing who their instant idols are, and what they are about.

 

I have followed him for years. Do you know why he says a two state solution is impossible? Because it is too late. He advocates for a one state solution, where every man and woman has a vote and is equal under the law. I agree with him. I am also in favor of a two state solution, based on the original 1948 borders.