The prospect of a second Trump presidency has the intelligence community on edge

[Roo Island]

1 hour ago, Dolf said:

 Biden's argument now is Trump is almost as old as me. Biden is pathetic. Puppet for the deep state.

Biden is 100% correct. Both are too old. Deep state? Good gosh.

[Roo Island]

37 minutes ago, johng said:

That cartoon above forgot a few on the Biden side

classified documents,sexual abuse,impeachments but no too senile.

 

Discounted

Jan 6th a fedserection, election lies  Russia Russia Russia.

Please show links to prove that.

[johng]

12 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

Please show links to prove that.

Link to show what ?  I'm talking about the cartoon posted above.

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Biden is 100% correct. Both are too old. Deep state? Good gosh.

Yes, but Biden is old and has mishaps while riding a bicycle. 

 

Trump is old and waddles to buffets.

 

Who do you think will last longer?

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, Roo Island said:

By contrast, a majority of Republican voters in 2022 had no college degree (63%); a smaller share had a college degree or more (37%). This is similar to the shares of Republican voters with and without a college degree in 2018.

You seem to believe that having a college ( is that American for university? ) degree equates to increased intelligence which is a nonsense. Some of the most stupid people I have known had a ( university ) degree, and visa versa.

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Biden is 100% correct. Both are too old. Deep state? Good gosh.

I agree that both are too old, and IMO too divisive, too risky to vote for.

 

If anyone wants an example of how broken America is, just look at who the two current candidates for POTUS are. In what sane society would such a thing be allowed to happen?

Where are the candidates offering a bright and shining future for the country?

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, Roo Island said:

From the article.

 

“A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,” Trump wrote in a Truth Social post in December 2022.

? Are you claiming that Trump was saying he wants to commit a fraud? Even for Trump, that seems somewhat erroneous.

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Trump has already said he wants to ditch the constitution. Isn't that what Hitler did? Not very democratic. But I can not fix cognitive bias.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4168261-trump-called-for-termination-of-parts-of-constitution-in-december/

 

Trump called for ‘termination’ of parts of Constitution in December

You guys are just hilarious. It's like you believe that a president can change the constitution just because- so funny.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, Lacessit said:

There is no doubt Trump will act to disenfranchise opposition minority groups, in line with what the GOP is attempting to do now. Before you get too far ahead of yourself.........

 

 

 

"There is no doubt", but unless you have a working crystal ball you have ZERO way of knowing that.

[Jingthing]

28 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. You guys won't take anything he says seriously, unless it's something you can use against him.

 

BTW there is no quote from him in that cartoon. Why did you post it, other than as a pathetic attempt to smear him. That sort of BS is why I don't take you guys seriously.

Magadonians don't get that trying to stay in power after losing an election should be completely disqualifying for holding any future public office, dog catcher included.

You could list hundreds of faults of Trump. That's enough. The fact that a significant percentage of Americans want someone who did something so deeply anti American, anti constitution, doesn't bode well for the future.

[Walker88]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. You guys won't take anything he says seriously, unless it's something you can use against him.

 

BTW there is no quote from him in that cartoon. Why did you post it, other than as a pathetic attempt to smear him. That sort of BS is why I don't take you guys seriously.

There is nothing in that cartoon that isn't a fact.

 

-The mocking of a disabled reporter is on tape. You can search "trump mocks disabled reporter" and get the vid on YouTube.

-He goes in trial on the 25th for hush money payments to Stormy

-Trump STATED in Helsinki that he believes putin over the US intel community (also Google-able so you can watch the tape)

-Trump called his goobers to DC for the 6th of Jan21, Tweeting "It'll be WILD!", and then told them to march to the Capitol and "fight like hell", and "you'll never take your country back being weak" (another tape available for your viewing pleasure)

-Among trump's 91 felony indictments include his participation in the fake elector scheme (read the indictment) and on the State level, his pressuring of the GA SecState to "just find me...11,780 votes" (another tape you can hear)

 

Besides announcing new nicknames like "Low IQ", "Crooked", "Sleepy", "Deranged", "Pencil Neck", etc., plus lies or boasts about "like, I'm really really smart", "a stable genius", etc., or screaming and posting in all caps on social media "UNFAIR" and "SAD" about any time anyone notes what the cartoon points out, what useful or positive things has trump ever said? That he "declassified with my mind"? "What if we, like, inject disinfectant"? "I'm going to be a dictator on Day 1"? "I am your retribution"?

 

No trumper can ever be taken seriously because they refuse to accept his infinite # of faults and his obvious threat to US democracy. His self-serving, autocrat-wannabe schtick is patently obvious.

 

[Walker88]

10 hours ago, Dolf said:

Biden is the worst candidate in history. A drunk Thai guy could do no worse.

-Highest economic growth than the 1990s under Clinton

 

-Record stock market

 

-Infrastructure actually being fixed (a bipartisan agreement engineered by Biden)

 

-Prescription drug prices slashed (a bipartisan agreement engineered by Biden)

 

-More Americans working than ever in history (partly due to bipartisan infrastructure Bill)

 

-Re-unified NATO confronting putin's vile aggression (bipartisan support from non-clown Repub members of Congress)

 

 

Find me a drunk Thai guy that could equal that. Your "opinion" has zero basis in reality. Your latest iteration has 750 comments in 10 days, yet that is the best you can do?

[Roo Island]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You seem to believe that having a college ( is that American for university? ) degree equates to increased intelligence which is a nonsense. Some of the most stupid people I have known had a ( university ) degree, and visa versa.

Absolutely not nonsense. Some of the most stupid people I've met didn't finish high school.

[Roo Island]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I agree that both are too old, and IMO too divisive, too risky to vote for.

 

If anyone wants an example of how broken America is, just look at who the two current candidates for POTUS are. In what sane society would such a thing be allowed to happen?

Where are the candidates offering a bright and shining future for the country?

The problem is the primaries. Driven by hardcore members from both sides, but not representative of the nation. Change is desperately needed.

 

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

? Are you claiming that Trump was saying he wants to commit a fraud? Even for Trump, that seems somewhat erroneous.

Trump is the king of fraud! The courts are providing that now, and have done so in the past. Charitable fraud ring a bell?

 

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You guys are just hilarious. It's like you believe that a president can change the constitution just because- so funny.

It's well documented that he wants part of the constitution removed. If he owns the house, senate, cabinet, AG, etc, it's not impossible. Just scary.

[Roo Island]

How come Trump and the GOP don't follow Biden's lead? Offer to work together to solve problems. All Trump and the GOP do is blame others. Pure politics.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/biden-asks-trump-to-urge-congress-to-pass-bipartisan-border-security-bill-205222981602

[G_Money]

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

-Highest economic growth than the 1990s under Clinton

 

-Record stock market

 

-Infrastructure actually being fixed (a bipartisan agreement engineered by Biden)

 

-Prescription drug prices slashed (a bipartisan agreement engineered by Biden)

 

-More Americans working than ever in history (partly due to bipartisan infrastructure Bill)

 

-Re-unified NATO confronting putin's vile aggression (bipartisan support from non-clown Repub members of Congress)

 

 

Find me a drunk Thai guy that could equal that. Your "opinion" has zero basis in reality. Your latest iteration has 750 comments in 10 days, yet that is the best you can do

You really need to keep your hands out of that experimental drug locker the CIA has.

 

It’s affecting your judgment.

 

CIA induced brain washing.  It’s working on you.

 

 

[Roo Island]

52 minutes ago, G_Money said:

You really need to keep your hands out of that experimental drug locker the CIA has.

 

It’s affecting your judgment.

 

CIA induced brain washing.  It’s working on you.

 

 

This is the problem with MAGA cult members. They don't like the truth.

[TroubleandGrumpy]

14 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Trump has already said he wants to ditch the constitution. Isn't that what Hitler did? Not very democratic. But I can not fix cognitive bias.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4168261-trump-called-for-termination-of-parts-of-constitution-in-december/

 

Trump called for ‘termination’ of parts of Constitution in December

There is that cognitive bias again - if you read the article 'openly' Trump denies saying that. But you publicly state it as a fact because of that bias and compare Trump to Hitler.  Very Woke and Very TDS.   Mate - that is political insults and BS being thrown around by both sides - the operative word being BOTH.  Trump stated publicly in response the words below- and as you know he has said a lot of things very negative about political adversaries and opponents - most of that was BS too.

“The Fake News is actually trying to convince the American People that I said I wanted to ‘terminate’ the Constitution. This is simply more DISINFORMATION & LIES, just like RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA, and all of their other HOAXES & SCAMS” 

[TroubleandGrumpy]

14 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Good gosh. Woke is a dog whistle for the far right.

So the far left say - and the woke believe it as a means of denying the truth.

Take a look around (outside your bubble) the woke world is falling apart - the People are rejecting it more and more.

[TroubleandGrumpy]

14 hours ago, riclag said:

Brilliantly said,

Safety First hasn’t occurred to the radicals and their leader of the Woke movement, Surge the border the fool said!

Eventually,The Response by Intel,

Its just a question of when(terrorism)!

 

Hope Wray last long enough to stand in front of the American people to explain their ineptness.

 

 Director Wray even confirmed joint terrorism task forces in all 56 of the agency’s field offices are occupied with threats coming across the border.

https://homeland.house.gov/2023/11/15/fbi-director-wray-confirms-the-border-crisis-poses-major-homeland-security-threat-dhs-secretary-mayorkas-stonewalls/

 

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2021/03/24/column-biden-called-for-the-border-surge-and-now-he-owns-it/

 

Thanks - but falling mainly on deaf woke ears I am afraid - but I dont care - what is right is right - right? 

[TroubleandGrumpy]

13 hours ago, riclag said:

You used idiot on the wrong guy, im afraid to say! But I agree with everything else mostly!

Give credit were due,

Well said

When Trump wins , it will take more then his administration and 4 years to drain the cesspool of bureaucracy!

imop

Both Trump and Biden are idiots.  But Trump is a very seasoned businessman who has the ability to cut through to the chase and solve issues - what he lacked before was political nous - he now has that and will be making big changes.

 

Yes you are right -= 4 years is not enough.  But it will not be Trump that changes things - it will (hopefully) be the Democrat Party that changes following what happens to them at the election. Trump will hopefully win in a landslide and Democrats will be voted out of Office in many States (hopefully). The outcome of that would be a complete restructuring within the Democrat Party to become a majority and leadership that is more central and not far left. While they are winning they will not change, and therefore the people that follow their narrative will not change either. 

[Eric Loh]

10 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

So the far left say - and the woke believe it as a means of denying the truth.

Take a look around (outside your bubble) the woke world is falling apart - the People are rejecting it more and more.

Please do tell what is falling apart in your misguided understanding of woke. Didn't woke was originally meant an awakening of social injustice. Majority of Americans chose to be informed, educated on and aware of social injustice. What is your defination of woke?

[Roo Island]

34 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

There is that cognitive bias again - if you read the article 'openly' Trump denies saying that. But you publicly state it as a fact because of that bias and compare Trump to Hitler.  Very Woke and Very TDS.   Mate - that is political insults and BS being thrown around by both sides - the operative word being BOTH.  Trump stated publicly in response the words below- and as you know he has said a lot of things very negative about political adversaries and opponents - most of that was BS too.

“The Fake News is actually trying to convince the American People that I said I wanted to ‘terminate’ the Constitution. This is simply more DISINFORMATION & LIES, just like RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA, and all of their other HOAXES & SCAMS” 

He said it. Then denied saying it. Trump made up the term fake news. As you well know, he's a conman and a liar. Fact. Impossible to intelligently spin it any other way.

[Roo Island]

34 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

So the far left say - and the woke believe it as a means of denying the truth.

Take a look around (outside your bubble) the woke world is falling apart - the People are rejecting it more and more.

Woke is a term used by politicians and the far right media as another dog whistle for their ridiculous culture wars. Just like snowflake. Libtard. RINO. Simple terms for simple people.

 

I'm a reformed republican who's now an independent. The GOP has lost the plot.

[Roo Island]

13 hours ago, Dolf said:

Biden is the worst candidate in history. A drunk Thai guy could do no worse.

Actually, since Trump was the worst president in history. That would make him the worst candidate. More than 90 indictments and numerous convictions prove that. Step outside your echo chamber. Please.

[Roo Island]

32 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Both Trump and Biden are idiots.  But Trump is a very seasoned businessman who has the ability to cut through to the chase and solve issues - what he lacked before was political nous - he now has that and will be making big changes.

 

Yes you are right -= 4 years is not enough.  But it will not be Trump that changes things - it will (hopefully) be the Democrat Party that changes following what happens to them at the election. Trump will hopefully win in a landslide and Democrats will be voted out of Office in many States (hopefully). The outcome of that would be a complete restructuring within the Democrat Party to become a majority and leadership that is more central and not far left. While they are winning they will not change, and therefore the people that follow their narrative will not change either. 

Trump is an idiot. Biden is just old.

 

Didn't Trump just fire the head of the GOP? Seems there is a complete restructuring going on!

[TroubleandGrumpy]

Just now, Eric Loh said:

Please do tell what is falling apart in your misguided understanding of woke. Didn't woke was originally meant an awakening of social injustice. Majority of Americans chose to be informed, educated on and aware of social injustice. What is your defination of woke?

Here we go - the pedantic woke 'Professor' type demanding exact definitions of what a word means - with at least 3 accreditations and 4 documented references no doubt. 

 

But attention to detail is a charateristic of right wingers - call it pedantry if you will - and I am happy to retort in a manner I hope most people will see as rhetorical regarding you choice of the subject - 'words'.

 

The meaning of words change - it is an automatic condition of the human nature to reassociated the meanings of words - and to create new words. This is pure right wing mentality at its core - the people decide what a word means and if they want to change it and if they want to use a new word - it happens organically. Your left wing mentality demands everything to be defined centrally and controlled, such that what is 'approved' is accepted and is used, and what is not approved is not allowed to be used.  Classic example is the N word - while decades ago that was freely used and not a negative, it became an insult towards black people because of its derogatory use.  Another is 'retarded' which also many decades ago was freely used and not a negative, it became an insult towards disabled people because of its derogatory use.  The best example I can give you is Obama when the owner of an NBA team made some very negative and racist comments towards some of his players, including liberal use of the N word.  The outrage was everywhere (left and right), but the left demanded legislative action and the implementation of laws banning certain words being used in public. Obama responded that he would not undertake such an action because who decides what words are in and which are out. He stated that the people have clearly stated their opinions and the court of public opinion's verdict was guilty and that they will deal with it themslves.  The NBA banned him as a member of their association - he therefore could not own an NBA team and he had to sell the team - he disappeared publicly and was never heard from again - problem solved.

 

What woke progressive people do is try to impose their values and views on others - as in the NBA case above - such as currently the use of pronouns. Plus they immediately accept the use of whatever words that a minority demand they use to 'appease' their feelings - expecting others to also comply. That is a part of what the woke demand in the way of social and legal changes needed to encourage 'diversity and inclusiveness'.  And that is part of the reason why woke is now an insult - they have gone too far and the people are rejecting it. Ricky Gervais was an outsider many years ago - now he is mainstream.  And it is not just the woke demands on our use of words (as opposed to natural changes) it is how they try to justify their actions and behaviours under their woke banners - a good one being exactly as you said - Social Injustice. Under the term and/or in the name of 'social injustice' the woke demand we all agree whatever they think will fix a problem that they think matters more than anything else in the world (usually a social and/or feeling issue). Woke people sit on the roads blocking traffic and justify that because they are saving the planet - the truth is they are being selkfish narcissitic virtue signallers and we (the majority) have had a gutful of their khrapp and we want the Governmewnt to crack down on them.  But they are woke, so they vote left wing, so left wing Govts turn a blind eye, and they encourage them because that causes a divide, which they can exploit to gains more votes.

 

That is just a small part of why people are rejecting the woke progressive left wing BS. Your time has come (in 90s) and it is now going away - it is time for us to take over (for a while) and when our lot goes too far we will be thrown out too.  Politics mate - both sides suck in the long run - best to nebver leave any side ion power too long.  When one side takes power they make changes - but they dont stop making changes - when they go too far they get thrown out. The alternative is Kings or Dictators - OK if benevolent awful if not. Me thinks the constant re-balancing achieves the best outome in the long run.

[TroubleandGrumpy]

18 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

He said it. Then denied saying it. Trump made up the term fake news. As you well know, he's a conman and a liar. Fact. Impossible to intelligently spin it any other way.

So say the woke with cognitive bias. Yes he made the term 'fake news' - and it has become common vernacular - not many politicians have done that.  They are all con men and liars - you juyst cannot see that in the Dems - Biden is one of the most hypocritically corrupt of them all. 

[TroubleandGrumpy]

18 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

Woke is a term used by politicians and the far right media as another dog whistle for their ridiculous culture wars. Just like snowflake. Libtard. RINO. Simple terms for simple people.

 

I'm a reformed republican who's now an independent. The GOP has lost the plot.

Good for you - does not make you right 🙂

 

[TroubleandGrumpy]

15 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

Trump is an idiot. Biden is just old.

 

Didn't Trump just fire the head of the GOP? Seems there is a complete restructuring going on!

Keep dreaming and drinking that kool-aid mate - clearly you are very invested.