Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Hamas attacked Israel and committed atrocities  and Hamas must face justice for those actions .

All Those people holding hostages need to face justice for their actions , they all need to be arrested and face their day in an Israeli Court .

   Releasing their hostages will not make them immune from  prosecution 

 

No accountability for Israel as well at the same time?

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Okay, I've posted my proposal of how to end this conflict probably 50 times. Now, I'd like to see a proposal of how to end all this from each of you three, @Bkk Brian, @Wobblybob, and @Nick Carter icp. 

Certainly.

 

"there is the chance of a ceasefire" but it "requires" Hamas signing the deal Israel has agreed, and insists they should do this "today".

 

 

[Wobblybob]

28 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I have NEVER depicted Hamas as "heroes," especially after their barbaric terror attack on 07 Oct. Their actions then were despicable, just as are the Israeli's continuing bombing and invasion plans of Gaza. And, atrocities like this on both sides have been going on for at least 80 years. 

The dates I pick are not random. It was in 1947, 85 years ago, when the UN divided the land then called Palestine into two states, an Arab state and a Jewish state. This is when, in the modern era, you could refer to as the "day the war started." 

The dates you chose to use all fits in with your narrative, it doesn't excuse 7/10 which is what you are trying to use as an excuse. Nothing will excuse the attrocities that innocent Israelis were made to endure on that fateful day, nor should it ever. You must know as well as the next man that this war that is happening now did start on the 7th Oct, but admitting it would dilute your excuses somewhat.🥴

[transam]

1 minute ago, Wobblybob said:

The dates you chose to use all fits in with your narrative, it doesn't excuse 7/10 which is what you are trying to use as an excuse. Nothing will excuse the attrocities that innocent Israelis were made to endure on that fateful day, nor should it ever. You must know as well as the next man that this war that is happening now did start on the 7th Oct, but admitting it would dilute your excuses somewhat.🥴

Indeed, it would............🤔

[Wobblybob]

9 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Okay, I've posted my proposal of how to end this conflict probably 50 times. Now, I'd like to see a proposal of how to end all this from each of you three, @Bkk Brian, @Wobblybob, and @Nick Carter icp. 

Easy, kill every Hamas terrorist and at the moment it is the only possible solution, your solutions are away with the fairies. 

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Okay, I've posted my proposal of how to end this conflict probably 50 times. Now, I'd like to see a proposal of how to end all this from each of you three, @Bkk Brian, @Wobblybob, and @Nick Carter icp. 

 

   I have answered previously .

Firstly Hamas needs to be wiped out , all killed .

Once that is complete , then a new younger generation of Palestinians need to emerge , a group that is content living side by side with Israel , deradicalized and can be trusted not to wage war on Israel .

Israel will need to control the borders to make sure they do not militarise for the foreseeable future .

   All Countries in the Region would need to make peace with Israel , normalize diplomatic relations with all the Worlds Countries .

   Stop all the boycotts and public hostility towards Israel , the world must accept Israels right to exist  

[Jeff the Chef]

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I have answered previously .

Firstly Hamas needs to be wiped out , all killed .

Once that is complete , then a new younger generation of Palestinians need to emerge , a group that is content living side by side with Israel , deradicalized and can be trusted not to wage war on Israel .

Israel will need to control the borders to make sure they do not militarise for the foreseeable future .

   All Countries in the Region would need to make peace with Israel , normalize diplomatic relations with all the Worlds Countries .

   Stop all the boycotts and public hostility towards Israel , the world must accept Israels right to exist  

 

So you really think Hamas will be all killed and wiped out?

I think Israel has more than likely created more Hamas fighters/sympathisers by their actions since the 7th.

Hopefully the Palestinians will elect a more reasonable government once this episode is over, willing to live side by side with Israel, on a 2 State solution.

Never ever has Israel any right to control the borders or infrastructure of a Palestinian Nation State.

All Countries in the Region would need to make peace with Israel , normalize diplomatic relations with all the Worlds Countries.

That is up to the individual Countries concerned, not up to Israel.

I think Israel as a State has a right to exist, but they will have to show the World of public opinion that they are willing to change also, the rabbit is out of the bag, so to speak as far as that goes.

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

So you really think Hamas will be all killed and wiped out?

 

 

  10 000  been wiped out/ killed already , the others have their cards marked and will face justice 

Its only a matter of time . 

  The Hamas war criminals , murders and rapists will be held accountable 

Israeli victims of their atrocities have began legal proceedings .

  Hostage taking , killing civilians deliberately,   sexual crimes are war crimes .

Legal action has began 

See you guys in World justice Court 

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

They are not 'my' hostages. Your lack of humanity in the face of mass suffering is duly noted.

 

   If Hamas release   their hostages and comply with the ICJ ruling and stop committing their daily  war crimes and give the one year old baby back to its parents , their "suffering" might subside somewhat 

[beautifulthailand99]

On 3/7/2024 at 7:02 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

Let's never forget that israel came to be when Irgun and Stern gang terrorism drove the British out of Palestine, and a terrorist ( Begin ) even  became PM.

Born of terrorism, and IMO still uses it against Palestinians.

Aye certainly was, and included rape and massacres as part of their game play. Just Google the Tantura Massacre or watch the documentary movie. Hamas had demonic handmaidens to teach them their devilish ways.

[Nick Carter icp]

10 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Aye certainly was, and included rape and massacres as part of their game play. Just Google the Tantura Massacre or watch the documentary movie. Hamas had demonic handmaidens to teach them their devilish ways.

 

  Lets keep it to the present day , rather than alleged historical happenings from 100 years ago

 

[Jeff the Chef]

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Lets keep it to the present day , rather than alleged historical happenings from 100 years ago

 

 

That's the problem, this didn't start on the 7/10/2023, it started when Israel was born, Palestinian/Arabs of the area won't forget, neither will the Israeli's.

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

 

That's the problem, this didn't start on the 7/10/2023, it started when Israel was born, Palestinian/Arabs of the area won't forget, neither will the Israeli's.

 

  How many times does this need to be written ?

This war began on October  7 th 2023 and the Arabs war against Israel began when Israel was formed in 1948

   You guys don't accept Israel's right to exist , until you change your mind, war will persist 

And you will lose , as always .

[Hummin]

28 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   If Hamas release   their hostages and comply with the ICJ ruling and stop committing their daily  war crimes and give the one year old baby back to its parents , their "suffering" might subside somewhat 

Its not going to happen, to late. Israel will control the Gaza strip for a long time now! There is no way back. 

[beautifulthailand99]

21 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Lets keep it to the present day , rather than alleged historical happenings from 100 years ago

 

The problem with this mo for news items and their resultant discussions is with the absence of context and history (which appears to be banned) then a proper discussion can't be had. Couple that with the framing and selecting of the news items and their accompanying narrative it makes for a one-sided debate. It's a bit like the question when did you stop beating your wife ?

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Its not going to happen, to late. Israel will control the Gaza strip for a long time now! There is no way back. 

 

   That may well be the case , Israel and Israelis want to live in peace and don't want constant missiles emitting from Gaza and constant attacks .

   Removing the Palestinian aggressors is the only option to a peaceful existence for the Israelis .

[beautifulthailand99]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   That may well be the case , Israel and Israelis want to live in peace and don't want constant missiles emitting from Gaza and constant attacks .

   Removing the Palestinian aggressors is the only option to a peaceful existence for the Israelis .

I think you meant to say Hamas aggressors but let the mask slip for a moment. 

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   That may well be the case , Israel and Israelis want to live in peace and don't want constant missiles emitting from Gaza and constant attacks .

   Removing the Palestinian aggressors is the only option to a peaceful existence for the Israelis .

Thats what they get when they continuously establish new settlers on stolen land. Not so hard to understand even for those who is not to gifted. 

 

You present a black and white picture.

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

. It's a bit like the question when did you stop beating your wife ?

 

   Its not like that at all .

Personal Wife beating is nothing to do with the current situation 

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, Hummin said:

Thats what they get when they continuously establish new settlers on stolen land. Not so hard to understand even for those who is not to gifted. 

 

You present a black and white picture.

 

  The West Bank  land was previously ruled by the Jordanians , British , Turks going back 400 years and Romans before that .

  They have all relinquished their rule over the land . 

Its free land for Israel to take and own 

[Hummin]

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  The West Bank  land was previously ruled by the Jordanians , British , Turks going back 400 years and Romans before that .

  They have all relinquished their rule over the land . 

Its free land for Israel to take and own 

Seriously? 

 

With people with attitude like you, there is no wonder why there is conflicts in the world.

[beautifulthailand99]

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Seriously? 

 

With people with attitude like you, there is no wonder why there is conflicts in the world.

One of the great lies of history.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_land_without_a_people_for_a_people_without_a_land

[Nick Carter icp]

6 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Seriously? 

 

With people with attitude like you, there is no wonder why there is conflicts in the world.

 

  So it was me that caused this war and not Hamas ?

[beautifulthailand99]

On 3/7/2024 at 5:55 AM, coolcarer said:

When was Hamas formed? Do you have a list of all the war crimes they have committed?

War crimes can only be committed by established state entities - Hamas are not that, so cannot per se commit "war crimes".

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, Hummin said:

Its not going to happen, to late. Israel will control the Gaza strip for a long time now! There is no way back. 

Seems that some posters think that an absence of actual conflict is a "better" situation for the long suffering Palestinians, when the suffering of decades is what caused October 7. However, seems that some posters want to ignore that and pretend that October 7 happened for no reason at all, other than Hamas are "bad".

A return to situation normal is not a good option for Gazans, IMO. This is the make or break for Gazans, and either they get a better situation, or it's over for any hope of a future other than under israeli oppression.

[thaibeachlovers]

As seen on Al Jazeera this morning, IDF cowards soldiers discuss murdering an unarmed elderly deaf man hiding under his bed on VDO. Apparently it was a big joke going by their conversation.

I doubt it's the first time this has happened.

 

I'm linking an israeli site to prevent the usual chorus that Al Jazeera is biased.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-probing-leaked-video-of-soldiers-appearing-to-discuss-killing-of-unarmed-gazan/

The IDF is investigating the circumstances of leaked footage published by Al Jazeera, in which Israeli troops are seen talking about killing an unarmed Palestinian man in Gaza City in November, the military announced Sunday.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

One of the great lies of history.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_land_without_a_people_for_a_people_without_a_land

Apparently they learned something from a certain German in the 1930s that if a lie is repeated often enough, eventually people will come to believe it.

[Jingthing]

15 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Apparently they learned something from a certain German in the 1930s that if a lie is repeated often enough, eventually people will come to believe it.

You can't resist pushing the Jew hating trope that Israel is the same as Nazi Germany.

[Jingthing]

24 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

As seen on Al Jazeera this morning, IDF cowards soldiers discuss murdering an unarmed elderly deaf man hiding under his bed on VDO. Apparently it was a big joke going by their conversation.

I doubt it's the first time this has happened.

 

I'm linking an israeli site to prevent the usual chorus that Al Jazeera is biased.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-probing-leaked-video-of-soldiers-appearing-to-discuss-killing-of-unarmed-gazan/

The IDF is investigating the circumstances of leaked footage published by Al Jazeera, in which Israeli troops are seen talking about killing an unarmed Palestinian man in Gaza City in November, the military announced Sunday.

Horrible. Should be prosecuted. Obviously not an IDF policy. But good for your Israel demonization agenda.

[Jingthing]

37 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems that some posters think that an absence of actual conflict is a "better" situation for the long suffering Palestinians, when the suffering of decades is what caused October 7. However, seems that some posters want to ignore that and pretend that October 7 happened for no reason at all, other than Hamas are "bad".

A return to situation normal is not a good option for Gazans, IMO. This is the make or break for Gazans, and either they get a better situation, or it's over for any hope of a future other than under israeli oppression.

Not a thought from you about the safety of Israelis.