7 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

It was release of all hostages for a 6 week ceasefire at least, of course they would want it, its a far better deal than the current talks in Qatar

 

They don't want a ceasefire and will do as they want, they have repeatedly stated so.

 

Top Netanyahu aide vows Israel will capture Rafah with or without international support

Israeli Strategic Affairs Minister Ron Dermer, a close aide of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed on Thursday that Israel would capture the southernmost Gazan city of Rafah, even if the entire world opposes it, including the Biden administration. “It will happen even if Israel is forced to fight alone. Even if the entire world turns on Israel, including the United States, we’re going to fight until the battle’s won…"

 

https://allisrael.com/top-netanyahu-aide-vows-israel-will-capture-rafah-with-or-without-international-support

U.N. Chief Calls Conditions in Gaza a ‘Moral Outrage’

“I want Palestinians in Gaza to know: You are not alone,” Mr. Guterres said. “People around the world are outraged about the horrors we are all witnessing in real time. I carry the voices of the vast majority of the world: We have seen enough.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/23/world/middleeast/gaza-israel-rafah-un-guterres.html#:~:text=“From this crossing%2C we see,it is a moral outrage.”

10 minutes ago, JustAnotherHun said:

 

so what?

just one of many examples...

https://www.jns.org/un-schools-glorify-terrorism-demonize-jews/

 

"so what?"

 

So this:

 

Famine is always a choice. Gaza is no exception.

More than 2 million Palestinians in the Gaza Strip are struggling to find enough food to eat. Israel’s policies in its war on Hamas have made it this way.

 

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/gaza-famine-israel-choices-rcna144075

The Russian President described those involved in the attack as “criminals (who) were cold-blooded and purposefully going to kill, shoot our citizens and our children at point-blank range”

 

When gunmen kill his people, Putin says they're terrorists, but when terrorists kills Israelis, they're 'freedom fighters',

Now that the shoe is on the other foot, let's see how Putin will deal with those 'who fight for their freedom

and country'...

 

 

33 minutes ago, ezzra said:

The Russian President described those involved in the attack as “criminals (who) were cold-blooded and purposefully going to kill, shoot our citizens and our children at point-blank range”

 

When gunmen kill his people, Putin says they're terrorists, but when terrorists kills Israelis, they're 'freedom fighters',

Now that the shoe is on the other foot, let's see how Putin will deal with those 'who fight for their freedom

and country'...

 

The problem here is the characterisation that all Hamas are terrorists and none of them are freedom fighters. If your country was under such a sustained attack as Gaza, would you join a militia to defend it? Who wouldn't? On one side we have a fully funded and equipped army with jets and tanks and on the other side we have a militia with nothing other than light weapons and home made rockets. How are they meant to defend themselves.? What tactics do they have to defend themselves?

 

How many terror attacks have occurred since October 7th? i can find no reports of any. I'm not suggesting they haven't but there have been no reports. This is a war of retribution and revenge  by Israel and nothing more. Israel does not have the right to revenge. It has the right to self defence and to redress by international courts and international condemnation, nothing more.

 

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

The problem here is the characterisation that all Hamas are terrorists and none of them are freedom fighters. If your country was under such a sustained attack as Gaza, would you join a militia to defend it? Who wouldn't? On one side we have a fully funded and equipped army with jets and tanks and on the other side we have a militia with nothing other than light weapons and home made rockets. How are they meant to defend themselves.? What tactics do they have to defend themselves? How many terror attacks have occurred since October 7th? This is a war of retribution by Israel and nothing more. Israel does not have the right to revenge. It has the right to redress by international courts and international condemnation, nothing more.

 

Firs of all, if your bring nothing but untold death, famine and destruction on your people and NO HOPE of winning this

battle/war, you know that is is futile to continue, unless of course, your people lives to matter and you want to win at any cost

which will not happen and you still continue knowing full well that Israel will not give an inch,

Secondly, Hamas and all the other terrorists groups are receiving 90% of their arms fro Iran, Russia, China, N. Korea

and other countries,

Thirdly, by now, everyone should know that if you kill Israelis you'll pay for it DEARLY, and all past wars should

attest to it that no matter where or who you're, you will be found and be dealt with as almost all Hamas leadership

have been killed and the rest of them will met their Allah soon

So in light of all the above, what were you thinking when you decided to start the 7.10 mess?...

8 minutes ago, ezzra said:

Firs of all, if your bring nothing but untold death, famine and destruction on your people and NO HOPE of winning this

battle/war, you know that is is futile to continue, unless of course, your people lives to matter and you want to win at any cost

which will not happen and you still continue knowing full well that Israel will not give an inch,

Secondly, Hamas and all the other terrorists groups are receiving 90% of their arms fro Iran, Russia, China, N. Korea

and other countries,

Thirdly, by now, everyone should know that if you kill Israelis you'll pay for it DEARLY, and all past wars should

attest to it that no matter where or who you're, you will be found and be dealt with as almost all Hamas leadership

have been killed and the rest of them will met their Allah soon

So in light of all the above, what were you thinking when you decided to start the 7.10 mess?...

 

You're advocating revenge rather than redress under international law.

 

Turn on any US cable news network, and you’ll see one pro-Israeli pundit or representative blame Palestinians for their own deaths, or Hamas, or a combination of both.

 

https://www.trtworld.com/opinion/international-law-guarantees-palestinians-the-right-to-resist-17810

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

You're advocating revenge rather than redress under international law.

Call it what you like, still, anyone who harms Israel or Jewish people will pay dearly, international laws or not,

(tell that to Putin who's been bombing Ukraine killing many) International laws didn't stop Hamas 

form raping , killing and kidnapping those on 7.10, so please, spare me the BS about international laws...

2 minutes ago, ezzra said:

Call it what you like, still, anyone who harms Israel or Jewish people will pay dearly, international laws or not,

(tell that to Putin who's been bombing Ukraine killing many) International laws didn't stop Hamas 

form raping , killing and kidnapping those on 7.10, so please, spare me the BS about international laws...

 

If we can't abide by international law we are not a civilised society.

 

Pardon me for being a pacifist. I will condemn anybody who advocates violence as a solution to anything.

 

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

 

If we can't abide by international law we are not a civilised society.

 

Pardon me for being a pacifist. I will condemn anybody who advocates violence as a solution to anything.

 

Yes, you're right, international laws should be aided by one and all, but what do you do and how you protect

yourself when some just piss all over it and go out to do what THEY THINK needs to be done?

So, until every one will toe the line, this world will be what it is now, one big mess!!!

1 minute ago, ezzra said:

Yes, you're right, international laws should be aided by one and all, but what do you do and how you protect

yourself when some just piss all over it and go out to do what THEY THINK needs to be done?

So, until every one will toe the line, this world will be what it is now, one big mess!!!

 

A possible solution might be to seek an international resolution to the conflict which is a just outcome for both sides and provides for sanctions and penalties for breaches of the peace..

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

A possible solution might be to seek an international resolution to the conflict which is a just outcome for both sides and provides for sanctions and penalties for breaches of the peace..

The problem is that no one, no foreign entity want to temporally govern this hornets nest called Gaza,

not even other Arab countries, to make sure that all agreed on directives and understandings

will be  carried out to rehabilitate Gaza back to normal, as the the Palestinian authority are useless and spineless,

which leave Hamas and other terrorist groups again in control, something that Israel will not agree to,

so until the time where such body will found that will be accepted by ALL, thing will just continue

as the're now..

8 minutes ago, ezzra said:

The problem is that no one, no foreign entity want to temporally govern this hornets nest called Gaza,

not even other Arab countries, to make sure that all agreed on directives and understandings

will be  carried out to rehabilitate Gaza back to normal, as the the Palestinian authority are useless and spineless,

which leave Hamas and other terrorist groups again in control, something that Israel will not agree to,

so until the time where such body will found that will be accepted by ALL, thing will just continue

as the're now..

 

The problem is that the Palestinians have never been allowed to govern themselves. You can say they do but the reality is that all movement of goods and people in and out of Gaza is controlled by Israel. Israel have always maintained a reason for the Palestinians to resist as they have never acknowledged that Gaza truly belongs to Palestinians. Whenever Palestinians do resist, Israel retaliates with wildly disproportionate force which usually amounts to war crimes. Then there is the constant encroachment of Palestinian land by illegal settlers, aided and abetted by the Israeli government. The story of Gaza since 1948 has been one of constant provocation followed by retribution.

 

The UN is the appropriate body. It was mainly setup in order to prevent recurrences of the holocaust and even created Israel to provide a homeland for Jews yet here we are with Israel rejecting any UN authority.

Talks ongoing in Qatar this coming week on hostage deal etc. Significant that Hamas's Gaza terrorist leader's Deputy has joined them. Israel has accepted a more generous deal with concessions to Hamas stricter demands on the Palestinian prisoners to be released but now again waiting for news.

 

Report: Sinwar’s deputy is at hostage talks in Qatar; Israeli team set to stay several days

The Israeli delegation is continuing negotiations tonight on a hostage-truce deal in Qatar, and the process is advancing, Channel 12 reports.

The talks involve not only delegations from Israel, the US, Qatar and Egypt, but also a Hamas delegation including Ismail Haniyeh, Khaled Mashaal, and Khalil al-Haya, a deputy to Hamas’s Gaza chief Yahya Sinwar, the report says.

Channel 12, echoing an earlier report from the Walla news site, says there are major differences on the issue of how many and which Palestinian security prisoners would be freed — prompting the US to present a compromise proposal. The original Paris framework from last month provided for 400 security prisoners to be freed for 40 hostages — women, children, the sick and elderly — in the first phase of a deal. The new US compromise is “more generous” for Hamas, but has been accepted by Israel, says Channel 12. The teams are now waiting for a response from Gaza, which could take hours or days.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-sinwars-deputy-is-at-hostage-talks-in-qatar-israeli-team-set-to-stay-several-days/

42 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

The problem is that the Palestinians have never been allowed to govern themselves. You can say they do but the reality is that all movement of goods and people in and out of Gaza is controlled by Israel. Israel have always maintained a reason for the Palestinians to resist as they have never acknowledged that Gaza truly belongs to Palestinians. Whenever Palestinians do resist, Israel retaliates with wildly disproportionate force which usually amounts to war crimes. Then there is the constant encroachment of Palestinian land by illegal settlers, aided and abetted by the Israeli government. The story of Gaza since 1948 has been one of constant provocation followed by retribution.

 

The UN is the appropriate body. It was mainly setup in order to prevent recurrences of the holocaust and even created Israel to provide a homeland for Jews yet here we are with Israel rejecting any UN authority.

The Palestinian Authority controlled the Gaza Strip prior to the Palestinian elections of 2006 and the subsequent Gaza conflict between the Fatah and Hamas parties, when it lost control to Hamas, the PA continues to claim the Gaza Strip, although Hamas exercises de facto control,

Just to remind you that the Palestinians depends on Israel for almost all life's necessities as the're unable to provide for themselves,

Israel would love nothing better than to get rid of this cesspool of a place and let them fend for themselves but they can't,

Also, Hamas didn't have any problems bringing tones of war materiel and weapons through tunnels and from Egypt,

they could have just as well use this methods for doing good, no evil,

To cut a long story short, as long as Hams and its masters Iran are there controlling everything,

no peace process will work,as 7.10 will only repeat itself again and again.. get the terrorist out and all will

have a very good chance to be well.. Can you argue with that?...

35 minutes ago, ezzra said:

The Palestinian Authority controlled the Gaza Strip prior to the Palestinian elections of 2006 and the subsequent Gaza conflict between the Fatah and Hamas parties, when it lost control to Hamas, the PA continues to claim the Gaza Strip, although Hamas exercises de facto control,

Just to remind you that the Palestinians depends on Israel for almost all life's necessities as the're unable to provide for themselves,

Israel would love nothing better than to get rid of this cesspool of a place and let them fend for themselves but they can't,

Also, Hamas didn't have any problems bringing tones of war materiel and weapons through tunnels and from Egypt,

they could have just as well use this methods for doing good, no evil,

To cut a long story short, as long as Hams and its masters Iran are there controlling everything,

no peace process will work,as 7.10 will only repeat itself again and again.. get the terrorist out and all will

have a very good chance to be well.. Can you argue with that?...

It is easy to say the Palestinian have their own to blaim, and why not just give up, and let Israel control Gaza an Lebanon? 

 

Being treated like a dog is not that bad, is it?

You got 2 confused emojis for your silly post and I'm adding another one, if you haven't got anything more

compelling to say than...

14 minutes ago, ezzra said:

You got 2 confused emojis for your silly post and I'm adding another one, if you haven't got anything more

compelling to say than...

It is the reality, when you can not be free, go where you want, travel when you want, study where you want, and there is limitations because you are a palestine, being controlled. It have been Israels goal to take over the whole westbank and Gaza. If you want, there is an informative video from Al Jazeera you can watch. Well, there are some legit links to, so up to you what you choose to read. I do not expect anything else than an confuesed spineless emotion. But reality about Israels total domination, is the problem, and thats why it will never be peace between Israel and Palestinians. Equal rights and withdrawal to origin boarders, is not a solution either for Israel. As said, it is not complicated to understand why it is a complex awful situation for the Palestinians. Israel, is in the middle of a wasp nest, because they trying to fulfill the dream of the promised land

 

"In Genesis, God promised Abraham that his descendants would inherit the land of Canaan, so Canaan became known as The Promised Land. Modern Israel and Palestine encompass the majority of Canaan"

 

(21-3) Joshua 1:4. The Promised Land. Biblical Israel is generally thought of as that region south and southwest of the Lebanon mountains, north and east of Egypt, east of the Mediterranean coastal plain, and west of the Arabian desert

 

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68379646

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68379646

 

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/29/politics/concern-rising-biden-officials-israel-lebanon-incursion/index.html

 

 

 

3 hours ago, ezzra said:

Firs of all, if your bring nothing but untold death, famine and destruction on your people and NO HOPE of winning this

battle/war, you know that is is futile to continue, unless of course, your people lives to matter and you want to win at any cost

which will not happen and you still continue knowing full well that Israel will not give an inch,

Secondly, Hamas and all the other terrorists groups are receiving 90% of their arms fro Iran, Russia, China, N. Korea

and other countries,

Thirdly, by now, everyone should know that if you kill Israelis you'll pay for it DEARLY, and all past wars should

attest to it that no matter where or who you're, you will be found and be dealt with as almost all Hamas leadership

have been killed and the rest of them will met their Allah soon

So in light of all the above, what were you thinking when you decided to start the 7.10 mess?...

My speculation is what Hamas was thinking when they launched their terrorist attack on Israel on 7 Oct was that Israel would respond pretty much as it has, which would do two things:

1. Wake the world up so they would pay attention to how Israel was continuing to occupy Palestinian land, and;

2. Provoke Israel into a counterattack, which would, as they've done in the past, be completely over-the-top and weaken their support from their allies, bringing more of the world onto the side of the Palestinians.

And, if that was their thinking...it's working!

2 hours ago, ezzra said:

Yes, you're right, international laws should be aided by one and all, but what do you do and how you protect

yourself when some just piss all over it and go out to do what THEY THINK needs to be done?

So, until every one will toe the line, this world will be what it is now, one big mess!!!

This case is worst than that because BOTH parties are just pissing on international laws, and BOTH sides are doing what THEY THINK has to be done.

I do agree with your last sentence above.

1 hour ago, ezzra said:

The Palestinian Authority controlled the Gaza Strip prior to the Palestinian elections of 2006 and the subsequent Gaza conflict between the Fatah and Hamas parties, when it lost control to Hamas, the PA continues to claim the Gaza Strip, although Hamas exercises de facto control,

Just to remind you that the Palestinians depends on Israel for almost all life's necessities as the're unable to provide for themselves,

Israel would love nothing better than to get rid of this cesspool of a place and let them fend for themselves but they can't,

Also, Hamas didn't have any problems bringing tones of war materiel and weapons through tunnels and from Egypt,

they could have just as well use this methods for doing good, no evil,

To cut a long story short, as long as Hams and its masters Iran are there controlling everything,

no peace process will work,as 7.10 will only repeat itself again and again.. get the terrorist out and all will

have a very good chance to be well.. Can you argue with that?...

Yes.

20 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Part of Jerusalem. 

Sorry but every sovereign nation has the right to determine their capitol.

 

Every sovereign nation has the right to determine their capital, but only on land they have a right to. Israel has no right to Jerusalem as it was to be an international zone in the 1948 allocation of Arab land to the israelis. No UN resolution has been passed since giving it to israel. Israelis only have it by force of arms.

 

I thought you would have known that as you profess to know about modern israel.

10 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

My speculation is what Hamas was thinking when they launched their terrorist attack on Israel on 7 Oct was that Israel would respond pretty much as it has, which would do two things:

1. Wake the world up so they would pay attention to how Israel was continuing to occupy Palestinian land, and;

2. Provoke Israel into a counterattack, which would, as they've done in the past, be completely over-the-top and weaken their support from their allies, bringing more of the world onto the side of the Palestinians.

And, if that was their thinking...it's working!

If that was their thinking it has indeed worked, 100%.

A purely Pavlovian response, IMO.

 

Perhaps they didn't expect israel to go monster on them though. After all, israelis are supposed to be civilised people.

1 hour ago, ezzra said:

Just to remind you that the Palestinians depends on Israel for almost all life's necessities as the're unable to provide for themselves,

IMO BS. Far as I know, everything that Palestinians in Gaza needed to survive came from UNRWA and overseas countries and charities.

They got electricity and water from the israelis, and far as I know that was it.

 

Under international law I understand it is the responsibility of an occupying power to look after the occupied, but IMO, as with everything to do with Palestinians, israelis don't abide by international law.

BTW, it's a war crime to deny food water and medical help to a civilian population, but israelis are well known as not giving a fig for international law, unless it helps them.

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

My speculation is what Hamas was thinking when they launched their terrorist attack on Israel on 7 Oct was that Israel would respond pretty much as it has, which would do two things:

1. Wake the world up so they would pay attention to how Israel was continuing to occupy Palestinian land, and;

2. Provoke Israel into a counterattack, which would, as they've done in the past, be completely over-the-top and weaken their support from their allies, bringing more of the world onto the side of the Palestinians.

And, if that was their thinking...it's working!

If Hamas are wiped out, along with their mothers wives and children, Israel lose. 

If Hamas survive, Israel lose. 

They brought it onto themselves with their greed for more land. 

The world now knows about Israel, sadly through the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians, mostly women and kids. 

The USA have been here before with their shenanigans in Iraq. Dangerous for any Yank or Israeli to wear their country's flag on their rucksack. 

2 hours ago, ezzra said:

The Palestinian Authority controlled the Gaza Strip prior to the Palestinian elections of 2006 and the subsequent Gaza conflict between the Fatah and Hamas parties, when it lost control to Hamas, the PA continues to claim the Gaza Strip, although Hamas exercises de facto control,

Just to remind you that the Palestinians depends on Israel for almost all life's necessities as the're unable to provide for themselves,

Israel would love nothing better than to get rid of this cesspool of a place and let them fend for themselves but they can't,

Also, Hamas didn't have any problems bringing tones of war materiel and weapons through tunnels and from Egypt,

they could have just as well use this methods for doing good, no evil,

To cut a long story short, as long as Hams and its masters Iran are there controlling everything,

no peace process will work,as 7.10 will only repeat itself again and again.. get the terrorist out and all will

have a very good chance to be well.. Can you argue with that?...

Total nonsense. 

Your greed for land will be your downfall. 

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/3/22/how-israeli-settlers-are-expanding-illegal-outposts-amid-gaza-war-3

 

An investigation by Al Jazeera shows how Israeli settlers have been expanding in the occupied West Bank at unprecedented rate, since Israel’s war on Gaza began.

 

As expected after cutting through all the noise, aid to Israel and further suspension of funding to UNRWA

 

Biden signs spending bill which halts UNRWA funding through 2025

The bill also forces the UN and other international organizations funded to assess and report on efforts to combat anti-Israel bias and antisemitism and to vet staff for connections to terrorists, the US Congress early on Saturday overwhelmingly passed a $1.2 trillion budget bill, which included a ban on US funding for UNRWA until 2025.

The bill also eliminates funding for the UN Commission of Inquiry against Israel and fully funds the annual US security commitment of $3.3 billion for Israel, which allocates funding for the Iron Dome and other defensive systems. 

"The historic ban on US funding to @UNRWA that passed today with an overwhelming bipartisan support, demonstrates what we knew all along: UNRWA is part of the problem and can not be part of the solution. UNRWA will not be a part of Gaza's landscape in the aftermath of Hamas," Israel's Foreign Minister Israel Katz said in a post on X. 

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-793359

 

 

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3 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Total nonsense. 

Your greed for land will be your downfall. 

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/3/22/how-israeli-settlers-are-expanding-illegal-outposts-amid-gaza-war-3

 

An investigation by Al Jazeera shows how Israeli settlers have been expanding in the occupied West Bank at unprecedented rate, since Israel’s war on Gaza began.

Indeed they have. They have been using the conflict in Gaza to divert attention while they steal as much land as they can in the West Bank.