Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

[ozimoron]

Over 76% of Gaza’s schools are damaged or destroyed. (January)

 

https://www.actionagainsthunger.org/story/children-suffer-as-education-under-attack-in-the-west-bank-and-gaza/

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

That's your claim.

No that's the forum rules:

 

"Any alleged factual claims must be supported by a valid link to an approved credible source."

 

[ozimoron]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

No that's the forum rules:

 

"Any alleged factual claims must be supported by a valid link to an approved credible source."

 

 

I commented on YOUR claim and link!

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

I commented on YOUR claim and link!

You made a claim, stop the deflection:

 

"Even a third would still be a war crime."

 

Do you have a link to that?

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You made a claim, stop the deflection:

 

"Even a third would still be a war crime."

 

Do you have a link to that?

 

It's my opinion. Would 35% not be a war crime?

[ozimoron]

United Nations (UN) Special Rapporteur on the occupied Palestinian territories Francesca Albanese shared that the crimes committed by Israel in the Gaza Strip since 7 October could preoccupy the International Criminal Court (ICC) for the next 50 years.

This came in a post on her X account on Friday, in which Albanese published a video showing the Israeli army killing four Palestinian civilians in the city of Khan Younis, south of the Gaza Strip, using an armed drone.

 

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240323-un-rapporteur-israels-crimes-in-gaza-may-occupy-icc-for-50-years/

 

The video shows the killing of 4 civilians including that of an injured man. A clear war crime.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhVV2_mub84

 

Edited March 24 by ozimoron

[Wobblybob]

8 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Just for a comparison, when the US dropped an atomic bomb on Nagasaki in 1947, 40% of Nagasaki's buildings were destroyed...
what percent of nagasaki was destroyed - Search (bing.com)

I don't see your point, Israel has a task to dismantle Hamas for they started on the on 7/10, that task has not been fully completed, should the terrorists surrender and hand over the hostages the war would end, the ball is in their court. To quote Douglas Adams "you don't put 3/4 of a fire out, you put it all out."

[Nick Carter icp]

23 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

 

 

Another notable contradiction in the notion of racism. Israel is an institutionally racist country (just look at the way blacks are discriminated there),

 

 

 

   Could you back that allegation up ?

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

It's my opinion. Would 35% not be a war crime?

Moving the goal posts now from a factual claim to an opinion because you cannot provide a link. Which is of course impossible as the only way to make that judgement is for each and every individual case of bombing to be investigated by the ICC and "if" evidence found then tried in court.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[WDSmart]

1 minute ago, Wobblybob said:

16 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Just for a comparison, when the US dropped an atomic bomb on Nagasaki in 1947, 40% of Nagasaki's buildings were destroyed...
what percent of nagasaki was destroyed - Search (bing.com)

I don't see your point, Israel has a task to dismantle Hamas for they started on the on 7/10, that task has not been fully completed, should the terrorists surrender and hand over the hostages the war would end, the ball is in their court. To quote Douglas Adams "you don't put 3/4 of a fire out, you put it all out."

I posted this mainly to show you how much devastation there is of even 35% of an area.

If Israel wants the hostages back, they should present a proposal to Hamas. The ball is in both courts. Either one could present a proposal.

"...beware of playing with fire, you will get burned." Joseph J. Ellis

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I posted this mainly to show you how much devastation there is of even 35% of an area.

If Israel wants the hostages back, they should present a proposal to Hamas. The ball is in both courts. Either one could present a proposal.

"...beware of playing with fire, you will get burned." Joseph J. Ellis

 

   Didnt you know that there have been recent meetings between the two to discuss the situation ?

[ozimoron]

Netanyahu announces a new seizure of 2,000 acres of West Bank land as Blinken arrives, mitrroring his actions when Obama visited him.

 

 

[ozimoron]

 

[ozimoron]

 

[Wobblybob]

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I posted this mainly to show you how much devastation there is of even 35% of an area.

If Israel wants the hostages back, they should present a proposal to Hamas. The ball is in both courts. Either one could present a proposal.

"...beware of playing with fire, you will get burned." Joseph J. Ellis

There wouldn't any devastation had the Palestine terrorists not attacked Israel in the manner they did, this is so obvious I don't know why you keep needing reminding of this, but of course you don't want to listen, it doesn't bother you when terrorists make another incursion into Israel and reward them by repeating another 7/10.

 

"beware of playing with fire, you will get burned." Joseph J. Ellis. Thanks for the quote but it seems more fitting directed at the Palestians than Israel as is being proven.

[Neeranam]

30 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Over 76% of Gaza’s schools are damaged or destroyed. (January)

 

https://www.actionagainsthunger.org/story/children-suffer-as-education-under-attack-in-the-west-bank-and-gaza/

 

 

 

Is there a reason they are targeting schools?

[ozimoron]

Just now, Neeranam said:

Is there a reason they are targeting schools?

 

Only the obvious desire to make Gaza uninhabitable for Gazans. Israeli officials are on record (in the ICJ) as saying that Gaza belongs to Israel.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

Is there a reason they are targeting schools?

 

   You do know the answer to that .

You have no need to ask that question , as you know why schools are being targeted (and it isn't because the kids are getting bad grades in class)

[coolcarer]

Can @ozimoron please stop spamming the forum with YouTube videos. If we wanted to watch vids all day we would head there.

[Neeranam]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Thanks for that. 

 

Many overlook the inequalities and power imbalances that have perpetuated Palestinian's struggle for self-determination and basic human rights. Palestinians have faced displacement, occupation, and numerous human rights violations, including restrictions on movement, land confiscation, and the expansion of illegal settlements.

Those who say the war started on Oct 7 are conveniently forgetting the atrocities Israel committed in the last 20 years. You cannot treat human beings like what Israel did and be surprised when they fight back. 

[ozimoron]

"Appalling injuries, particularly in women and children". "Left on the floor to die".

 

"The end game of the Israeli government is to force them out completely from Gaza".

 

 

Edited March 24 by ozimoron

[Wobblybob]

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Is there a reason they are targeting schools?

To teach the terrorists a lesson!

[rattlesnake]

15 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Could you back that allegation up ?

 

Anti-Black Racism among Jewish Israelis [and Recent Asylum-Seekers]

Over the past few decades, anti-Black racism in Israel has been primarily directed towards Ethiopian Israelis, part of the Jewish Beta Israel community, who number about 155,300 people in Israel (1.7% of Israel’s population), and non-Jewish asylum seekers from Eritrea and Sudan who constitute less than 1% of the population. Experiences of anti-Black racism are well documented, in both research journals and the media, and consist of police violence and racial profiling of males, overrepresentation in military and civilian prison, discrimination in employment and housing, and everyday interpersonal discrimination.

https://www.theracialequityinitiative.org/anti-black-racism-in-israel/

 

Israel: Deportation of African asylum-seekers is a cruel and misguided abandonment of responsibility

“How can the Israeli government possibly describe this as a way of deporting asylum-seekers ‘voluntarily’ when the alternatives are returning to persecution or indefinite detention? This is not a choice anyone should have to make,” said Philip Luther, Amnesty International’s Research and Advocacy Director for the Middle East and North Africa. “The forced – and illegal – deportation of Eritrean and Sudanese asylum-seekers is a reckless abandonment of responsibility.”

[...]

“The Israeli authorities need to know that the world is watching with outrage at their brazen disregard for human life, dignity and responsibility to the wider global community.”

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/israel-deportation-of-african-asylum-seekers-is-a-cruel-and-misguided-abandonment-of-responsibility/

 

Chief rabbi calls black people ‘monkeys’

In footage aired by the Ynet news site, Yosef could be seen referring to black people by the word “kushi,” which in modern Hebrew has pejorative connotations, and then going on to term a black person a “monkey.” His office told Ynet that the comparison was a quote from the Talmud.
[...]

Non-Jews, Yosef said, are in Israel only to serve Jews.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/chief-rabbi-compares-african-americans-to-monkeys/

[Neeranam]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Only the obvious desire to make Gaza uninhabitable for Gazans. Israeli officials are on record (in the ICJ) as saying that Gaza belongs to Israel.

Did you see the video of Israeli kids singing on Israeli state TV about Gaza? 

 

[WDSmart]

12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Didnt you know that there have been recent meetings between the two to discuss the situation ?

Yes, I've seen something about that on CNN. Hopefully, some proposal will come out of those efforts.

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

Chief rabbi calls black people ‘monkeys’

In footage aired by the Ynet news site, Yosef could be seen referring to black people by the word “kushi,” which in modern Hebrew has pejorative connotations, and then going on to term a black person a “monkey.” His office told Ynet that the comparison was a quote from the Talmud.
[...]

Non-Jews, Yosef said, are in Israel only to serve Jews.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/chief-rabbi-compares-african-americans-to-monkeys/

 Wow.  

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Anti-Black Racism among Jewish Israelis [and Recent Asylum-Seekers]

Over the past few decades, anti-Black racism in Israel has been primarily directed towards Ethiopian Israelis, part of the Jewish Beta Israel community, who number about 155,300 people in Israel (1.7% of Israel’s population), and non-Jewish asylum seekers from Eritrea and Sudan who constitute less than 1% of the population. Experiences of anti-Black racism are well documented, in both research journals and the media, and consist of police violence and racial profiling of males, overrepresentation in military and civilian prison, discrimination in employment and housing, and everyday interpersonal discrimination.

https://www.theracialequityinitiative.org/anti-black-racism-in-israel/

 

Israel: Deportation of African asylum-seekers is a cruel and misguided abandonment of responsibility

“How can the Israeli government possibly describe this as a way of deporting asylum-seekers ‘voluntarily’ when the alternatives are returning to persecution or indefinite detention? This is not a choice anyone should have to make,” said Philip Luther, Amnesty International’s Research and Advocacy Director for the Middle East and North Africa. “The forced – and illegal – deportation of Eritrean and Sudanese asylum-seekers is a reckless abandonment of responsibility.”

[...]

“The Israeli authorities need to know that the world is watching with outrage at their brazen disregard for human life, dignity and responsibility to the wider global community.”

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/israel-deportation-of-african-asylum-seekers-is-a-cruel-and-misguided-abandonment-of-responsibility/

 

Chief rabbi calls black people ‘monkeys’

In footage aired by the Ynet news site, Yosef could be seen referring to black people by the word “kushi,” which in modern Hebrew has pejorative connotations, and then going on to term a black person a “monkey.” His office told Ynet that the comparison was a quote from the Talmud.
[...]

Non-Jews, Yosef said, are in Israel only to serve Jews.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/chief-rabbi-compares-african-americans-to-monkeys/

There is racism in every country in the world, why just pick on Israel, its nothing to do with this war anyway.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Anti-Black Racism among Jewish Israelis [and Recent Asylum-Seekers]

Over the past few decades, anti-Black racism in Israel has been primarily directed towards Ethiopian Israelis, part of the Jewish Beta Israel community, who number about 155,300 people in Israel (1.7% of Israel’s population), and non-Jewish asylum seekers from Eritrea and Sudan who constitute less than 1% of the population. Experiences of anti-Black racism are well documented, in both research journals and the media, and consist of police violence and racial profiling of males, overrepresentation in military and civilian prison, discrimination in employment and housing, and everyday interpersonal discrimination.

https://www.theracialequityinitiative.org/anti-black-racism-in-israel/

 

Israel: Deportation of African asylum-seekers is a cruel and misguided abandonment of responsibility

“How can the Israeli government possibly describe this as a way of deporting asylum-seekers ‘voluntarily’ when the alternatives are returning to persecution or indefinite detention? This is not a choice anyone should have to make,” said Philip Luther, Amnesty International’s Research and Advocacy Director for the Middle East and North Africa. “The forced – and illegal – deportation of Eritrean and Sudanese asylum-seekers is a reckless abandonment of responsibility.”

[...]

“The Israeli authorities need to know that the world is watching with outrage at their brazen disregard for human life, dignity and responsibility to the wider global community.”

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/israel-deportation-of-african-asylum-seekers-is-a-cruel-and-misguided-abandonment-of-responsibility/

 

Chief rabbi calls black people ‘monkeys’

In footage aired by the Ynet news site, Yosef could be seen referring to black people by the word “kushi,” which in modern Hebrew has pejorative connotations, and then going on to term a black person a “monkey.” His office told Ynet that the comparison was a quote from the Talmud.
[...]

Non-Jews, Yosef said, are in Israel only to serve Jews.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/chief-rabbi-compares-african-americans-to-monkeys/

 

   Every Country has aspects/accusations  of racism , what makes Israel to be "institutionally racist" when other Countries are not ?

[ozimoron]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

There is racism in every country in the world, why just pick on Israel, its nothing to do with this war anyway.

 

His claim was contested, what did you expect?

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, ozimoron said:

 

His claim was contested, what did you expect?

I expect him to discuss with me if he wants, not you, I have nothing to discuss with you