NY judge issues gag order on Trump in hush money trial

[bamnutsak]

1 hour ago, candide said:

How can the fact that Cohen was jailed for participating in it be considered?

 

Not my job to educate you but Michael Cohen was charged by the U.S. Government. He pleaded guilty to eight felonies.

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/michael-cohen-pleads-guilty-manhattan-federal-court-eight-counts-including-criminal-tax

 

 

The Manhattan DA charged trump with falsifying business records, a misdemeanor, waved a NYS legal wand and turned it into a felony.

 

To secure a conviction on the felony charge, prosecutors would have to prove that records were falsified with the intention of committing or concealing a second crime. It’s not clear what prosecutors may allege as the second crime.

 

https://whyy.org/articles/trump-indictment-hush-money-investigation-explained/

[candide]

19 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

 

Not my job to educate you but Michael Cohen was charged by the U.S. Government. He pleaded guilty to eight felonies.

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/michael-cohen-pleads-guilty-manhattan-federal-court-eight-counts-including-criminal-tax

 

 

The Manhattan DA charged trump with falsifying business records, a misdemeanor, waved a NYS legal wand and turned it into a felony.

 

To secure a conviction on the felony charge, prosecutors would have to prove that records were falsified with the intention of committing or concealing a second crime. It’s not clear what prosecutors may allege as the second crime.

 

https://whyy.org/articles/trump-indictment-hush-money-investigation-explained/

Thanks for the information. It's more clear for me now.

[Walker88]

Folks barking about the gag order interfering with Freedom of Speech might ask themselves this:

 

If someone joined Truth Social and posted trump's word salad from the other day after the hearing, would that person be banned? If someone joined TS and kept calling trump Cash Crunch donny or Dementia donny, would that person be banned?

 

I suspect that in trumpistan, only his speech is free.

[Walker88]

trump being trump.....which is to say trump being a lowlife dollop of festering scum. Perhaps some of his sycophants here will say how what trump did is just 'free speech'.

 

The gag order did not (yet) include the judge nor his family. trump immediately made up a story about the judge's daughter, and then posted it on Truth (sic) Social, including her name.

 

Other than fawning butt-kissing morons, everyone knows the sole purpose of that is to scare the judge, who knows trump's goobers will make threats against the daughter.

 

Perhaps someone will post detailed data on where trump's grandkids go to school, what their schedule is, the license plates of cars that drop off and pick up the little varmints, etc. Isn't that just 'free speech'?

[Danderman123]

What is the purpose of Trump cyberstalking the judge's daughter?

 

It would seem stupid, since the judge is in the position of imposing a prison sentence upon conviction. My opinion was that this trial would likely result in conviction and probation, but the judge might now consider imprisonment, so Trump can't harrass anyone online.

[candide]

55 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

What is the purpose of Trump cyberstalking the judge's daughter?

 

It would seem stupid, since the judge is in the position of imposing a prison sentence upon conviction. My opinion was that this trial would likely result in conviction and probation, but the judge might now consider imprisonment, so Trump can't harrass anyone online.

That's exactly what he's trying to do. Provoke the judge in order to induce an excessive reaction which he can appeal (and whine about it politically).

But I think the judge is too smart to fall into this trap.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

What is the purpose of Trump cyberstalking the judge's daughter?

 

It would seem stupid, since the judge is in the position of imposing a prison sentence upon conviction. My opinion was that this trial would likely result in conviction and probation, but the judge might now consider imprisonment, so Trump can't harrass anyone online.

 
Trump has been cowed by the gag order.

 

His attack on the Judge’s daughter, who is not included in the gag order, is a news grabbing stunt that portrays Trump as doing what his supporters love about him, being overtly offensive and attacking a woman.

 

It’s pure cowardice.

 

Think back on how many times in the past Trump’s response to a man who has power or leverage over Trump has been to attack the man’s wife or girlfriend.

 

It’s what this slimy coward does.

 

His supporters love him for it.

 

 

Edited March 31 by Chomper Higgot

[Tug]

28 minutes ago, candide said:

That's exactly what he's trying to do. Provoke the judge in order to induce an excessive reaction which he can appeal (and whine about it politically).

But I think the judge is too smart to fall into this trap.

I donno personally I’d like to see him arrested booked into jail for a week treated just like any American citizen who attacks the judiciary publish THAT booking photo and his REAL weight come what may quit treating this snow flake fraud sex pest  with kid gloves!

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, candide said:

That's exactly what he's trying to do. Provoke the judge in order to induce an excessive reaction which he can appeal (and whine about it politically).

But I think the judge is too smart to fall into this trap.

So, Trump can avoid incarceration by attacking the judge's daughter?

[jerrymahoney]

4 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

So, Trump can avoid incarceration by attacking the judge's daughter?

From the Judge's March 26, 2024 'gag' order (note a. is about witnesses and c. is about jurors)

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24514876/ny-v-trump-merchan-gag-order-20240326.pdf

 

Order: The Defendant will refrain from

[Danderman123]

On 3/27/2024 at 8:55 AM, JonnyF said:

Ah, I see they are now silencing him as well. 

 

I can see why. If he came out and exposed the truth it would be extremely embarrassing for certain people. The plan appears to be first to silence him, and then to jail him before he can serve a second term.

 

Democracy and Freedom of Speech. US style. 

 

Makes you wonder what will happen when he wins. Could we see the US go full banana republic and overturn the result on a legal technicality like Thailand did, allowing Biden to remain in power? Wouldn't surprise me at this point. 

You are deep in conspiracy theories.

 

Remember Occam's Razor:

 

Trump is being prosecuted because crimes were committed.

 

Trump lost in 2020 because Biden got more votes.

 

Trump is not being silenced, but is prohibited from threatening relatives of court officers and jurors.

[jerrymahoney]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

If there is a conflict of interest, resolution would be via a legal motion

April 1, 2024

 

We respectfully submit this pre-motion letter seeking leave to file a motion for recusal,  pursuant to Judiciary Law § 14 and Canons 2 and 3, based on changed circumstances and newly discovered evidence.

 

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24529430/ny-v-trump-defense-recusal-20-20240402.pdf

 

Trump's lawyers push for recusal of Judge Juan Merchan in hush money case
Defense lawyers want him tossed due to his daughter's political consulting work.

 

April 3, 2024, 4:33 AM

 

Donald Trump's lawyers are again asking Judge Juan Merchan to recuse himself from the former president's New York hush money trial, seven months after the judge declined a similar request by defense lawyers.

 

Defense lawyers filed a letter Monday arguing that Merchan's daughter's work for the digital consulting firm Authentic Campaigns creates an "ongoing financial interest" tied to the former president's criminal trial.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/trumps-lawyers-push-recusal-judge-juan-merchan-hush/story?id=108748916

Edited April 3 by jerrymahoney

[rudi49jr]

2 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

April 1, 2024

 

We respectfully submit this pre-motion letter seeking leave to file a motion for recusal,  pursuant to Judiciary Law § 14 and Canons 2 and 3, based on changed circumstances and newly discovered evidence.

 

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24529430/ny-v-trump-defense-recusal-20-20240402.pdf

 

Trump's lawyers push for recusal of Judge Juan Merchan in hush money case
Defense lawyers want him tossed due to his daughter's political consulting work.

 

April 3, 2024, 4:33 AM

 

Donald Trump's lawyers are again asking Judge Juan Merchan to recuse himself from the former president's New York hush money trial, seven months after the judge declined a similar request by defense lawyers.

 

Defense lawyers filed a letter Monday arguing that Merchan's daughter's work for the digital consulting firm Authentic Campaigns creates an "ongoing financial interest" tied to the former president's criminal trial.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/trumps-lawyers-push-recusal-judge-juan-merchan-hush/story?id=108748916

That doesn’t take away from the fact that Donald Trump keeps whining like a little *****, and keeps making outrageous statements about people (the daughter of the judge in question, in this case) that could put them at risk, because it puts them in the crosshairs of his deranged followers. 

[impulse]

On 3/31/2024 at 10:56 AM, Danderman123 said:

What is the purpose of Trump cyberstalking the judge's daughter?

 

You mean the 34 year old Dem operative that's making millions of dollars fundraising for the DNC and Schiff on the back of this case?  And stands to make a lot more if there's a conviction?  That daughter?

 

The judge doesn't even belong on the case.  Obvious familial conflict of interest.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6350235560112

 

[candide]

39 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

You mean the 34 year old Dem operative that's making millions of dollars fundraising for the DNC and Schiff on the back of this case?  And stands to make a lot more if there's a conviction?  That daughter?

 

The judge doesn't even belong on the case.  Obvious familial conflict of interest.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6350235560112

 

Another lame  conspiracy theory. 

[rudi49jr]

47 minutes ago, candide said:

Another lame  conspiracy theory. 

He provided an extremely reliable, trustworthy and unbiased source: Fox News (sarcasm alert).
I remember their slogan from years back: ‘fair and balanced’. Didn’t believe it then, believe it even less now. Nothing but (ultra) right wing crap and the most insane conspiracy theories. How those ‘anchors’ keep a straight face is beyond me. 

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

You mean the 34 year old Dem operative that's making millions of dollars fundraising for the DNC and Schiff on the back of this case?  And stands to make a lot more if there's a conviction?  That daughter?

 

The judge doesn't even belong on the case.  Obvious familial conflict of interest.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6350235560112

 

Nope.

 

Your sources are making that up.

 

Explain how the daughter is making money off this case, and how she can cash in off a conviction.

 

Remember Clarence Thomas? Explain why he doesn't have a conflict of interest.

Edited April 4 by Danderman123

[Walker88]

2 hours ago, impulse said:

 

You mean the 34 year old Dem operative that's making millions of dollars fundraising for the DNC and Schiff on the back of this case?  And stands to make a lot more if there's a conviction?  That daughter?

 

The judge doesn't even belong on the case.  Obvious familial conflict of interest.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6350235560112

 

Wash your hands again. Pulling stuff out of there carries bacteria.

[riclag]

3 hours ago, impulse said:

 

You mean the 34 year old Dem operative that's making millions of dollars fundraising for the DNC and Schiff on the back of this case?  And stands to make a lot more if there's a conviction?  That daughter?

 

The judge doesn't even belong on the case.  Obvious familial conflict of interest.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6350235560112

 

Dark money .The Marxist are fundraising .

“Two major Democratic clients of the daughter of the judge overseeing Donald Trump’s hush-money trial have raised at least $93 million in campaign donations — and used the case in their solicitation emails — raising renewed concerns that the jurist has a major conflict of interest”.

 https://nypost.com/2024/03/30/us-news/dem-clients-of-daughter-of-judge-in-trump-trial-raised-90m-off-case/

[riclag]

Imagine being a dem  activist Judge 

and putting a gag order on a former Potus who is being politically persecuted , while his daughter raises millions for other dem operatives & politicians and having the balls in a new ruling , trolling Trump with the Insurrection nonsense.  

Merchan, in his ruling, drew a distinction between the Washington case — which he referred to as the Federal Insurrection Matter — and the hush-money case he’s overseeing.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/judge-rejects-trumps-request-to-delay-hush-money-trial-until-supreme-court-rules-on-immunity

[metisdead]

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[Danderman123]

2 hours ago, riclag said:

Dark money .The Marxist are fundraising .

“Two major Democratic clients of the daughter of the judge overseeing Donald Trump’s hush-money trial have raised at least $93 million in campaign donations — and used the case in their solicitation emails — raising renewed concerns that the jurist has a major conflict of interest”.

 https://nypost.com/2024/03/30/us-news/dem-clients-of-daughter-of-judge-in-trump-trial-raised-90m-off-case/

Senate candidate Adam Schiff mentions Trump's indictment (1 of 4) in some ad, and so the judge must recuse himself?

 

That's pretty weak sauce.

[Danderman123]

2 hours ago, riclag said:

Imagine being a dem  activist Judge 

and putting a gag order on a former Potus who is being politically persecuted , while his daughter raises millions for other dem operatives & politicians and having the balls in a new ruling , trolling Trump with the Insurrection nonsense.  

Merchan, in his ruling, drew a distinction between the Washington case — which he referred to as the Federal Insurrection Matter — and the hush-money case he’s overseeing.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/judge-rejects-trumps-request-to-delay-hush-money-trial-until-supreme-court-rules-on-immunity

This isn't going anywhere. You can ask Clarence Thomas.

 

Trump is indicted, Adam Schiff can raise money. Trump isn't indicted, Adam Schiff can raise money off that. No impact on the daughter's earnings.

 

You are barking up the wrong tree.

Edited April 4 by Danderman123

[Yellowtail]

Eighteen years ago Trump is alleged to have sex with a porn actress.

 

Six years ago, Michael Cohen says he paid Daniels using his own money and was not directed by Trump's company or campaign to make the payment.

 

Now Trump is being prosecuted for not recoding the payment correctly, the state is in a hurry because of the election cycle, and gags Trump, while allowing his accusers to speak freely and in fact be paid for attacking Trump on TV. 

 

weak sauce indeed. 

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

This isn't going anywhere. You can ask Clarence Thomas.

 

Trump is indicted, Adam Schiff can raise money. Trump isn't indicted, Adam Schiff can raise money off that. No impact on the daughter's earnings.

 

You are barking up the wrong tree.

So, you agree Clarence Thomas should not have to recuse himself? 

[Danderman123]

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So, you agree Clarence Thomas should not have to recuse himself? 

I am noting that Clarence Thomas benefits from his judicial decions far more than Judge Merchan. 

[Danderman123]

7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

 

Six years ago, Michael Cohen says he paid Daniels using his own money and was not directed by Trump's company or campaign to make the payment.

 

 

Lie.

 

Trump is on tape directing Cohen to make the payments.

 

But, that's what the trial is about. If Trump can convince the jury that Michael Cohen misinformed Trump, then Trump gets off.

[candide]

13 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Eighteen years ago Trump is alleged to have sex with a porn actress.

 

Six years ago, Michael Cohen says he paid Daniels using his own money and was not directed by Trump's company or campaign to make the payment.

 

Now Trump is being prosecuted for not recoding the payment correctly, the state is in a hurry because of the election cycle, and gags Trump, while allowing his accusers to speak freely and in fact be paid for attacking Trump on TV. 

 

weak sauce indeed. 

That's what Cohen initially said, but it wasn't in court. 😀

 

He later told the truth under oath: Trump directed him. There's also a recording.

[Yellowtail]

10 hours ago, candide said:

That's what Cohen initially said, but it wasn't in court. 😀

 

He later told the truth under oath: Trump directed him. There's also a recording.

Yeah, once he was threatened with incarceration, he was much more cooperative. Shocking. 

 

Do you have a link to the recording? 

 

In any event, I don't doubt Trump banged her, and I don't doubt he was involved paying her, I just don't see it as the end of democracy the way you do.

 

 

[candide]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Yeah, once he was threatened with incarceration, he was much more cooperative. Shocking. 

 

Do you have a link to the recording? 

 

In any event, I don't doubt Trump banged her, and I don't doubt he was involved paying her, I just don't see it as the end of democracy the way you do.

 

 

 

 

I'll just see it as it will be decided in court....

About the tape, you can check in the same source from which you already got the sentence you wrote before.... 😁

https://www.reuters.com/legal/trumps-alleged-hush-money-payments-path-criminal-charges-2023-03-30/

Edited April 5 by candide