Only one in four British Muslims believe Hamas committed murder and rape in Israel, report

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Similar to minorities in Western Countries 

Exactly

[candide]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   That is correct, its called the Jewish state of Israel .

Palestinians were given their own land

Given what?

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, candide said:

Given what?

 

   Did you not understand what  I wrote ?

 "their own land "

 

[candide]

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Did you not understand what  I wrote ?

 "their own land "

 

On which land do they have sovereignty? With which borders?

[Nick Carter icp]

45 minutes ago, candide said:

On which land do they have sovereignty? With which borders?

 

   I am not your history teacher , learn things yourself and stop asking me 

[Brickleberry]

17 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    Yes, Two million of them do so .

That is basic common knowledge at beginners level.

First class lesson 

 

Imbecilic post. They didn't settle in Israel, they were the lucky few Palestinians who were not kicked out, murdered or raped to death by the IDF. Israel is a land of colonial white settlers, using apartheid tactics to steal more and more land, and denying basic human rights to the people they stole their land from in the first place. If anyone wants to know what demonic behavior looks like, just look at Israel.

[Hummin]

5 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

. If anyone wants to know what demonic behavior looks like, just look at Israel.

We all got it in us, dont think anything else, just the matter of time and place

[Nick Carter icp]

15 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

Imbecilic post. They didn't settle in Israel, they were the lucky few Palestinians who were not kicked out, murdered or raped to death by the IDF. Israel is a land of colonial white settlers, using apartheid tactics to steal more and more land, and denying basic human rights to the people they stole their land from in the first place. If anyone wants to know what demonic behavior looks like, just look at Israel.

 

    I was replying to a point about two million Palestinians living in Israel and so Israeli Jews can do likewise in any Palestinian state  .

   Palestinians can stay living in Israel and Israelis can stay living in the West bank .

For the situation to be resolved, everyone neds to move on and stop going on about history .

BTW , here are two white colonists Israeli  settlers from the IDF

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

20 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

Imbecilic post. They didn't settle in Israel, they were the lucky few Palestinians who were not kicked out, murdered or raped to death by the IDF. Israel is a land of colonial white settlers, using apartheid tactics to steal more and more land, and denying basic human rights to the people they stole their land from in the first place. If anyone wants to know what demonic behavior looks like, just look at Israel.

 

If anyone wants to know what a post cherry picking supportive data and ignoring the rest of history.... look at Brickleberry... 

 

... Who were the Israelites ?

 

[Brickleberry]

27 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    I was replying to a point about two million Palestinians living in Israel and so Israeli Jews can do likewise in any Palestinian state  .

   Palestinians can stay living in Israel and Israelis can stay living in the West bank .

For the situation to be resolved, everyone neds to move on and stop going on about history .

BTW , here are two white colonists Israeli  settlers from the IDF

 

Drivel. No understanding of history or facts.

 

2 million Arab Israelis live in Israel. Palestinians are not allowed to go back to their homes in Israel, which is why this conflict has been ongoing for over 75 years.

 

At some point in the future, if Jews living on stolen land in the West Bank & East Jerusalem wish to become Jewish Palestinians, and the Palestinians are OK with that, then why not? I agree with you on this point. But then the Palestinians must be allowed to also go back to their homes in Israel, right? Or does it only work one way in your version of events?

 

For the situation to be resolved, Israel MUST acknowledge that the dispossession of 750,000 Palestinians from their land was wrong, and that for years it has been stealing land and mistreating Palestinians.

 

Ethiopian Jews (the ones you showed in the picture) didn't come over to Israel until the late 1970s. Those colonial settlers didn't cause a problem in the early 20th century as they didn't come until much later. Try again! White colonial settlers caused this my friend, you know it.

 

[Brickleberry]

28 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

If anyone wants to know what a post cherry picking supportive data and ignoring the rest of history.... look at Brickleberry... 

 

... Who were the Israelites ?

 

 

No one in their right mind brings 'biblical rights' into play Richard. If they did, they would extremely foolish.....

 

Apparently the Israelite was a group of semetic language speaking tribes descended from Jacob, a son of Abraham, who lived in what we now call Iraq, and died at 175 years old. Jacob was renamed Israel after fighting an angel. He then moved his followers to the land of Canaan and murdered the indigenous people there because God claimed it was their promised land.

 

So Jews were never 'native' to the land. They had always been colonial settlers.

[richard_smith237]

10 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

No one in their right mind brings 'biblical rights' into play Richard. If they did, they would extremely foolish.....

 

Apparently the Israelite was a group of semetic language speaking tribes descended from Jacob, a son of Abraham, who lived in what we now call Iraq, and died at 175 years old. Jacob was renamed Israel after fighting an angel. He then moved his followers to the land of Canaan and murdered the indigenous people there because God claimed it was their promised land.

 

So Jews were never 'native' to the land. They had always been colonial settlers.

 

 

The reasons I never get into the 'Israel debate'....  (usually)... is becase of the reasons you example....    and why you correctly, countered me.

 

Not many have the attention span to fully assimilate history to the detail needed to understand this highly complex issue and instead we are left with similifed paragraphs and statements as below, when in reality, a whole thesis is required to explain the issues at hand and more recently a lot of 'inside' information. 

 

The history is rich, varied, tribal, pre-dates borders etc....    what becomes more clear is documentation highlights both 'sides' have more in common than difference...   both have been persecuted, It's also documented how Jews were persecuted and pushed from their lands over millennia. Both 'sides' have fair claim to the lands that are now Israel and that land is now quite valuable to both 'sides'...  or more accruately, so those who 'support' either side. 

 

 

It's also 'theorised' that the proposed development by Israel greatly threatens the financial well being of 'other Arab states' with the potential development of Oil and Gas in Israel (offshore Gaza) and also the Development of Projects such as the Ben Gurion Canal..... 

 

There is a lot more than meets the eye to this conflict and 'some' states are deliberately 'destabilising' the area to prevent such development.

 

 

 

I've been to (worked in) both Israel and most of the Middle East - one thing that stands out to me....   the similarity between the Jews and the Arabs is overwhelming....   at one point its clear, they were the same people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Brickleberry]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Both 'sides' have fair claim to the lands that are now Israel and that land is now quite valuable to both 'sides'...  or more accruately, so those who 'support' either side. 

 

Initially, no. Only the Arabs and the Jewish people who had lived there alongside them for over 1,500 years.

 

This is international law 101; the mandate system by the LON (League of Nations) was supposed to provide the indigenous population with independence. The land (British Mandate for Palestine) was never Britain's to give away to whomever it so wished, it was supposed to hand over control of the country to the local population.

 

Initially, mass immigration from European & Slavic countries to Palestine should never have been allowed to happen. Especially when their goal was to take over the land for a racist, Jewish supremacy. Einstein refused to go over there because he knew how stupid an idea it was, and how immoral it was to remove the native population from their lands to make way for a Jewish homeland. He believed the then Israeli political party was “akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties."

 

In 2024, Israelis now have a decent claim to part of the land as they have accrued these rights over the last 75 years. Yes, they should not have been able to get those rights, but we are where we are. Israel exists now, and it can either become a one state with equal rights for all, or a two state solution on the original borders -  with agreed upon land swaps.

 

EDIT: This is how colonial Israel is. Vast swathes of the population are British and American citizens. This is Israeli government spokesman David Mencer - a Brit - who confuses World Central Kitchen with a British Alcopop: WKD. At 7.31 in the video he clearly says "WKD are the good guys..."

 

 

[cooked]

On 4/11/2024 at 3:11 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

 

equal rights?

What a bad joke. 

Never been there or read much, have you? Palestinians living in Israel can vote, become judges, join the army, work freely. But don't let facts interfere with your joyful commenntaries. 

[OneMoreFarang]

3 minutes ago, cooked said:

Never been there or read much, have you? Palestinians living in Israel can vote, become judges, join the army, work freely. But don't let facts interfere with your joyful commenntaries. 

I look at the news. And the news from many sources. 

I don't see anything joyful about how many Israelis treat many Palestinians. 

[Hummin]

17 minutes ago, cooked said:

Never been there or read much, have you? Palestinians living in Israel can vote, become judges, join the army, work freely. But don't let facts interfere with your joyful commenntaries. 

On paper sure looking good

 

Under Israeli law, Arab residents of East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights have the right to become Israeli citizens, are entitled to municipal services, and have municipal voting rights. In tandem, citizenship acquisition is scarce: only 5% of Palestinians in East Jerusalem were Israeli citizens in 2022

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel

[candide]

6 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    I was replying to a point about two million Palestinians living in Israel and so Israeli Jews can do likewise in any Palestinian state  .

   Palestinians can stay living in Israel and Israelis can stay living in the West bank .

For the situation to be resolved, everyone neds to move on and stop going on about history .

BTW , here are two white colonists Israeli  settlers from the IDF

 

 

 

And as I already replied, it's a false equivalence.

Palestinian people living in Israel were already living there before the creation of Israel. They are not settlers imposed by force like Israeli settlers in the West Bank.

If Israel refuses that Palestinians can settle in Israel (for understandable reasons from their side), there is no reason to accept that Israelis may have a right to settle in the West Bank. One of the basic principle of fair international law is reciprocity.

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

And as I already replied, it's a false equivalence.

Palestinian people living in Israel were already living there before the creation of Israel. They are not settlers imposed by force like Israeli settlers in the West Bank.

If Israel refuses that Palestinians can settle in Israel (for understandable reasons from their side), there is no reason to accept that Israelis may have a right to settle in the West Bank. One of the basic principle of fair international law is reciprocity.

 

   So you will accept forcing 700 000 people from the land , ethically cleansing Jews from the West Bank, you would agree to genocide ?

   Romans forcibly removed Jews from the land 2000 years ago and you would be in favour of a Jews removal 2024 ?

 

[Hummin]

10 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   So you will accept forcing 700 000 people from the land , ethically cleansing Jews from the West Bank, you would agree to genocide ?

   Romans forcibly removed Jews from the land 2000 years ago and you would be in favour of a Jews removal 2024 ?

 

Who have the rights to west bank? 

 

Do you understand how absurd your thinking and ideas is? 

[Brickleberry]

22 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   So you will accept forcing 700 000 people from the land , ethically cleansing Jews from the West Bank, you would agree to genocide ?

   Romans forcibly removed Jews from the land 2000 years ago and you would be in favour of a Jews removal 2024 ?

 

 

Amazing.

 

Totally OK to remove 750,000 Palestinians from their land in 1947/48, but not OK for Jews to be removed from stolen Palestinian land?

Double standards.....

[Nick Carter icp]

33 minutes ago, Brickleberry said:

 

Amazing.

 

Totally OK to remove 750,000 Palestinians from their land in 1947/48, but not OK for Jews to be removed from stolen Palestinian land?

Double standards.....

 

    Do you agree that its OK to remove people from the land or not ?

[Nick Carter icp]

48 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Who have the rights to west bank? 

 

Do you understand how absurd your thinking and ideas is? 

 

  The rights to land can easily be changed  , just ask the Americans, Australians and New Zealanders for advice on how to do it 

[CG1 Blue]

On 4/9/2024 at 5:14 AM, Hummin said:

Maybe not you, but I would for sure defend my people my land against a totalitarian unjustifiable force who pretended they did everything right for everyones best, but in practice abused the civilians, killed the civilians, unjustified detention of kids, abusing kids, shooting kids, even raped their women and boys. Sounds familar to what Hamas did the 7. October, but we are talking decades of the same abuse, and also take their land piece by piece. 

To use a phrase often used by the Hamas sympathisers, you do know Israel's actions you mention didn't happen in a vacuum don't you? 

Before Oct 7th Hamas / Palestinians were constantly launching attacks and sending in 'innocent' children to attempt to kill Israeli civilians. Most attempts are unsuccessful because of the defence systems in place, so we don't hear about this on the news. 

The raping is indefensible (if true), but it's quite evident that Palestinian kids are just as keen to wipe Israel off the map as the adults are. Sadly it's deeply ingrained in their minds from birth. So yes they will get detained, and yes violence will sometimes be necessary if they are a threat. 

[Nick Carter icp]

8 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

To use a phrase often used by the Hamas sympathisers, you do know Israel's actions you mention didn't happen in a vacuum don't you? 

Before Oct 7th Hamas / Palestinians were constantly launching attacks and sending in 'innocent' children to attempt to kill Israeli civilians. Most attempts are unsuccessful because of the defence systems in place, so we don't hear about this on the news. 

The raping is indefensible (if true), but it's quite evident that Palestinian kids are just as keen to wipe Israel off the map as the adults are. Sadly it's deeply ingrained in their minds from birth. So yes they will get detained, and yes violence will sometimes be necessary if they are a threat. 

 

   Some Palestinian woman got searched looking for suicide bombs , and that is regarded as sexual assault/rape of Woman and children by Hamas 

[Hummin]

14 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  The rights to land can easily be changed  , just ask the Americans, Australians and New Zealanders for advice on how to do it 

Delusional 

[scottiejohn]

20 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The rights to land can easily be changed  , just ask the

Russians!

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Delusional 

 

   A difficult question for Americans, Australians , Canadians and Kiwis .

We can do it, but Jews cannot .

Not even taking into considering that the West Bank was once Jewish land and America, Australia , Canada and Kiwi was never White peoples land .

   (Buts that's enough history from me , but I may as well reply to your soon to be reply : The Philistines were nothing to do with the Palestinians) 

[Brickleberry]

45 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    Do you agree that its OK to remove people from the land or not ?

 

Great question. It depends on legality.

 

For instance, do I believe that Israelis should be kicked out of Israel? No. Even though what happened in 1947/48 was immoral, Israelis have acquired rights over time, and the mandate gives them the right to live within the UN defined borders. 

 

West Bank & East Jerusalem - Yes. All Jews should be forced out of their homes, if they cannot agree to land swaps, and if the Jews do not want to live as Jewish Palestinians. The default must be international law. They acquired these homes illegally.

 

If we take the position that international law must be followed, then Israel MUST abandon all illegal settlements. They may negotiate with the Palestinians for land swaps in good faith, but they must negotiate from a fair position, not 'I stole it, it's mine - suck it up!"

[placnx]

2 hours ago, cooked said:

Never been there or read much, have you? Palestinians living in Israel can vote, become judges, join the army, work freely. But don't let facts interfere with your joyful commenntaries. 

SInce when can Palestinians join the army? Druze can, though. Army service confers various advantages, so Palestinians are disadvantaged.

[Brickleberry]

Just now, placnx said:

SInce when can Palestinians join the army? Druze can, though. Army service confers various advantages, so Palestinians are disadvantaged.

 

You're both talking nonsense. You are talking about Israeli citizens, not Palestinians. Arab Israelis can indeed serve in the IDF.