The Swiss Expat, stay or go ?

[Confuscious]

2 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Unfortunately, you can find yourself in trouble even if you don't start it and you end up having to defend yourself.  You need to be prepared to think ahead and get yourself out of any potential argument or confrontation.

In my 23 years of living in Thailand, I had a few times a confrontation with the Police or other officials.
I could keep my dignitude and said that I didn't do that.
On the otherhand, saying that I am sorry for the trouble and a few banknotes exchanging hands worked well and I did not die or was deported.
Talking is Silver and keeping silent is gold. 

[rwill]

Depends on how much money he has left to spend.

[Hummin]

5 hours ago, QuantumQuandry said:

 

Is there a law that requires him to be deported?  If not...than maybe the question is...will they respect their own laws?

Living in Thailand for 7 years, and visiting thailand for more than two decades l, I know Thailand is unpredictable and unjustified unfair equally if you do not have the power or connections. Thats rhe reality we have to deal with.

 

This case is a farse, and we know it, but David and his wife is easy to dislike, and based on the video he produced with clear sound, the ambulance story, and other stories proving this was not one time incident, but rather his personality, Im ok they deal with him in a proper way

 

Wish my country delt with our immigrants the same way. 

 

Still the main problem, is the thais respectively officials who protected David, what happens to them, and will they manage to end corruption that gives people like David a freepass? 

 

Thats where the anger in the thai society layes, and thats what makes this case important the thais. So to show dace, what do you think its the end of this case to make everyone happy, and everything can carry on as before? 

[IAMHERE]

Everywhere in the world 'money talks'. In Thailand money SHOUTS. He has the money from elephant lovers around  the world who think he is doing Gods work.

[Thingamabob]

15 hours ago, Confuscious said:

Will the Swiss Expat be allowed to stay in Thailand or not?
Let's see who have it right.

Difficult to forecast. On balance I think he will probably stay.

 

 

[SchuetzRob]

13 hours ago, ningnong said:

He kicked a woman in the back who was simply resting on a step that turns out was on public property and you think a slap on the wrist is enough?

 

Do you also believe that was the first time the coward ever struck a woman?

 

 

Maybe where you come from men hitting on women is acceptable.

 

While I respect your opinion (not really sharing it..) , you might want to look up the meaning of 'hitting on women' in a dictionary😘😘

 

[Scouse123]

Who cares if he stays or goes, it's yesterday's news.

[QuantumQuandry]

3 hours ago, Hummin said:

This case is a farse, and we know it, but David and his wife is easy to dislike

 

No argument there.  I don't think that should matter, though, if you want me to respect the rule of law.

 

3 hours ago, Hummin said:

This case is a farse, and we know it, but David and his wife is easy to dislike, and based on the video he produced with clear sound, the ambulance story, and other stories proving this was not one time incident, but rather his personality, Im ok they deal with him in a proper way

 

Well, the question still remains "what is the proper way?".  If deportation is the normal punishment, then sure.  Now, from a quick googling, it doesn't seem to be the norm, at least, to me:

 

https://magnacarta.co.th/home/faq-section-2/deportation/

 

Now I am not a lawyer and I didn't even spend much time googling.  So if you are aware that it actually is the norm and just has not been mentioned here, then I am sincerely open to respecting calls of deportation and normal enforcement of the law.

 

3 hours ago, Hummin said:

Still the main problem, is the thais respectively officials who protected David, what happens to them, and will they manage to end corruption that gives people like David a freepass? 

 

Thats where the anger in the thai society layes, and thats what makes this case important the thais.

 

If that were true, then deporting him would not be the important step, as that won't do anything about the corruption.  If that were true, they would apply the laws normally to him and then go after the corrupt cops and apply the law to them, as well.  Going after him in no way fixes the corruption.  In fact, it furthers it because now you are just following mob justice, instead of police corruption.

 

3 hours ago, Hummin said:

So to show dace, what do you think its the end of this case to make everyone happy, and everything can carry on as before? 

 

See, that's the thing...if you deport him, not because that's a normal punishment, but rather, because everyone is upset...then how can I have any respect for the rule of law?  It's not about the rule of law, then, it's about social media lynch mobs overpowering the law.

 

To answer your question, yes, you are probably right that doing your best to burn him is what will make the most people happy in the here and now.  But that is different than my original comment, which was about respecting laws.  Because if the government caves into social media sentiment, then I know they have no respect for their own laws.

 

I am sure this post will get lots of negative reactions.  Maybe the mob will come for me, next? lol

Edited April 13 by QuantumQuandry

[OldmanJ]

I'm sure he will leave or disappear somewhere for a while then return and live out his life else where undetected and people will all forget.

[Hummin]

6 minutes ago, QuantumQuandry said:

 

No argument there.  I don't think that should matter, though, if you want me to respect the rule of law.

 

 

Well, the question still remains "what is the proper way?".  If deportation is the normal punishment, then sure.  Now, from a quick googling, it doesn't seem to be the norm, at least, to me:

 

https://magnacarta.co.th/home/faq-section-2/deportation/

 

Now I am not a lawyer and I didn't even spend much time googling.  So if you are aware that it actually is the norm and just has not been mentioned here, then I am sincerely open to respecting calls of deportation and normal enforcement of the law.

 

 

If that were true, then deporting him would not be the important step, as that won't do anything about the corruption.  If that were true, they would apply the laws normally to him and then go after the corrupt cops and apply the law to them, as well.  Going after him in no way fixes the corruption.  In fact, it furthers it because now you are just following mob justice, instead of police corruption.

 

 

See, that's the thing...if you deport him, not because that's a normal punishment, but rather, because everyone is upset...then how can I have any respect for the rule of law?  It's not about the rule of law, then, it's about social media lynch mobs overpowering the law.

 

To answer your question, yes, you are probably right that doing your best to burn him is what will make the most people happy in the here and now.  But that is different than my original comment, which was about respecting laws.  Because if the government caves into social media sentiment, then I know they have no respect for their own laws.

 

I am sure this post will get lots of negative reactions.  Maybe the mob will come for me, next? lol

The most important in my post you cut out 

 

Living in Thailand for 7 years, and visiting thailand for more than two decades l, I know Thailand is unpredictable and unjustified unfair equally if you do not have the power or connections. Thats rhe reality we have to deal with.

 

So, my question is, what obligations do we have and sign on when obtaining visa? Is there anything there that can be used against him, ? 

 

The day I feel unjustified in Thailand, Im leaving, I know my terms, and how far Im willing to stretch my patience. 

[QuantumQuandry]

14 minutes ago, Hummin said:

The most important in my post you cut out 

 

It wasn't meant to misrepresent your post.  You made a reasonable and respectful post.  Thank you.  I just reply to the parts where I feel I have something to say.

 

14 minutes ago, Hummin said:

So, my question is, what obligations do we have and sign on when obtaining visa? Is there anything there that can be used against him, ? 

 

That's a fair question.  I would still prefer it to be more of a "What normally happens in this situation (absent social media mob sentiment)?"  But I wouldn't mind knowing the answer to that, as well, to see just how far the laws will bend to please the masses.

 

I didn't mention it but just to be clear, I do NOT like the guy, either.  There is no reason (as far as I know) for his behavior.  And certainly, there is a part of me, as a foreigner who avoids trouble, that is upset with him and the way he reflects on me, as a foreigner.

 

My statement was only about the idea of me respecting laws that the government doesn't respect.  Because the message to me, here, is "respect the mobs and avoid social media".

Edited April 13 by QuantumQuandry

[rexpotter]

15 hours ago, Ben Zioner said:

OP u should have given a third option "I have no idea".

 

Anyhow, I believe that our friend Urs deserves a slap on the wrist that's all. Unless we agree to deport all foreigners who have committed a minor DUI, run a dark orange light, etc..

 

I don't understand why so many here want to have him executed, probably a lot of guilty consciences.. I don't see any reason why people would be jealous of this poor sod.

Good answer, we all better be careful here.

[lemonjelly]

I’m not too bothered about the drama queen doctor, but i think he should be kckd down a flight of stairs before being chucked out of TH for wilfully blocking an ambulance a while back. Fck him.

[Goat]

15 hours ago, Ben Zioner said:

Why on earth, you reckon that having to leave this sad place is an opportunity you'd love to be be given too?

Send him to Israel.

[Ben Zioner]

4 minutes ago, Goat said:

Send him to Israel.

No need, Switzerland is the happiest country in the world. Lived an worked there a quarter of a century. Israel was great to be a student and contribute to the raghead chase around the Sinai.

[shackleton]

💰  and influence counts for a lot in Thailand

We will soon find out if this is correct 

I will be surprised if he goes 

My person option is he should depart 

[degodasilva]

19 hours ago, ukrules said:

Ask yourself, if anyone ever makes an accusation against you like this one but without video evidence, just eyewitnesses, would you expect to get thrown out of the country and banned for life?

 

Lets just assume that in this case you didn't do it, but someone wanted rid of you and their friends are backing them up.

 

It's getting very easy to have any foreigner removed from the country these days. That is dangerous, some of us have lived here for decades.

 

 

It's my understanding that the incident was recorded on camera, either by CCTV at the property or by the man himself using his phone.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Edited April 13 by degodasilva

[BigStar]

5 hours ago, QuantumQuandry said:

If deportation is the normal punishment, then sure.  Now, from a quick googling, it doesn't seem to be the norm, at least, to me:

 

He isn't being deported. His visa is being revoked. Understand the difference and stop wasting your time.

[BigStar]

19 hours ago, ukrules said:

Ask yourself, if anyone ever makes an accusation against you like this one but without video evidence, just eyewitnesses

 

Time to stop lying about this? Highly suggestive video evidence exists AND the man himself confessed he did it, with a laughable excuse.

 

[sirineou]

1 minute ago, BigStar said:

 

He isn't being deported. His visa is being revoked. Understand the difference and stop wasting your time.

can a foreigner  stay in Thailand without a visa?

[BigStar]

33 minutes ago, sirineou said:

can a foreigner  stay in Thailand without a visa?

 

No, good point. He'll need to leave under his own power as soon as it expires. If not he'll then be detained and deported when caught on overstay for the reason of visa expiration. Fehr will be on immediate overstay when eligible for release, so he'll be escorted to the airport unless he has no ticket. Technically he'll be deported for that reason then, not for other crimes, and that's the norm.

 

Immigration may also apply its own subjective judgment whether to grant, revoke, or extend (cf agents getting extensions on IO authority) a visa or not. There's no trial or judicial appeal. You aren't even owed a reason, though they usually give one.

 

We have a hard time processing that reality, but it's good to know and keep in mind.

 

Edited April 13 by BigStar

[sirineou]

31 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

No, good point. He'll need to leave under his own power as soon as it expires. If not he'll then be detained and deported when caught on overstay for the reason of visa expiration. Fehr will be on immediate overstay when eligible for release, so he'll be escorted to the airport unless he has no ticket.

So it seems we both might be right, 

I really don't know much about this case. other than the basics . and I have not been following closely.

I think the Swiss Expat is appealing the revocation of his visa, so until such time there is a decision, the  issue, he is under consideration and does not need to go anywhere.

Or has a decision been made already? 

but when the visa is revoked, it is in fact a de facto  deportation, but perhaps, Technical not. 

because even though the Swiss Expat has to leave in both cases , the long term  problems might be different for the two options..

If he was deported , he might not be able to come back for a length of time, or perhaps never. . But if his visa was simply revoked , then he could possibly go back home  get another visa and come back . 

Unless of course he becomes persona non grata . 

 

Edited April 13 by sirineou
typos,

[BigStar]

2 minutes ago, sirineou said:

think the Swiss Expat is appealing the revocation of his visa, so until such time there is a decision, the  issue, he is under consideration and does not need to go anywhere.

Or has a decision been made already? 

 

He intends to appeal but the appeal is to Deputy PM Anutin, who's said it will be denied. I don't think he'll change his mind, as he publicly told Fehr to "go home."

 

 

[sirineou]

5 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

He intends to appeal but the appeal is to Deputy PM Anutin, who's said it will be denied. I don't think he'll change his mind, as he publicly told Fehr to "go home."

 

 

Oh I am sure he is going back home , especially now that Anuit has taken a position and would be loss of face if it went differently. 

But if he has the option to appeal , there might be a statutory length of time he has to do so, so he can burn that time and appeal on the last minute. Then who knows how long it will take for the appeal process, so there is some more time to potentially burn. I am not sure what if any assets the Swiss expats has here in Thailand, and he might want to use such time to set his affairs in order.  

[spidermike007]

Chances are this guy has been misbehaving for a long time and he finally got caught this time around. The reality, more than likely is that he kicked the wrong doctor. He just assumed she was a local peasant, far beneath his exalted station in life, and he was just behaving in an arrogant and obnoxious fashion, as usual.

 

It is likely the way he's been behaving since he was 6 or 7 years old. I say kick him out, I say good riddance, we don't need people like this in Thailand.

 

We are guests here and we should show the local people some respect and dignity, this man is a clown and he doesn't deserve to live here. Send the creep back to Switzerland, his mother should have done a better job of raising him. 

[BigStar]

1 hour ago, sirineou said:

But if he has the option to appeal , there might be a statutory length of time he has to do so, so he can burn that time and appeal on the last minute. Then who knows how long it will take for the appeal process, so there is some more time to potentially burn.

 

As his visa is already revoked, he may simply be burning more time while still detained in a cell, though I guess he could be freed pending appeal, in which case as you note he'd want to get his affairs in order.

 

Since Anutin already said he'd deny the appeal, it'll probably be over quickly.

 

[Liverpool Lou]

On 4/12/2024 at 7:41 PM, SAFETY FIRST said:

Swissy's GONE. 

Since when?

[Liverpool Lou]

On 4/12/2024 at 8:01 PM, ningnong said:

Do you also believe that was the first time the coward ever struck a woman?

You have anything rational to suggest otherwise?

[Liverpool Lou]

On 4/12/2024 at 8:01 PM, ningnong said:

Maybe where you come from men hitting on women is acceptable.

Men hitting on women happens everywhere, all the time and is usually considered normal.  

[Paris333]

Any foreigner who insults Thai citizen will have to leave the Kingdom of Thailand immediately.
Impunity breeds lawlessness, and the fact that the Thai citizen is a doctor from the scientific community has a weighty place in the Thai justice system.

Guests cannot have more rights than local Thai citizens. Βan at least 5 years and Thailand do not want pachyderm unacceptable behaviour from guest foreigners.