Thailand's NVI Backs AstraZeneca Amid Controversy

[webfact]

Picture courtesy of CNBC Indonesia

 

The National Vaccine Institute (NVI) of Thailand has released a statement reassuring the public about the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine, especially regarding serious side effects.

 

From approximately 48.7 million doses disbursed throughout the country, only seven cases of Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome (TTS) have been suspected, highlighting a notably low occurrence rate.

 

These comments come after AstraZeneca, the Swedish-based pharmaceutical firm, conceded that there is an increased risk of TTS from their vaccine. Evidence suggests that TTS typically manifests within a span of three to 21 days following the first vaccine dose. The susceptibility for this severe side effect is also higher among the elderly and those with a prior history of thrombosis or autoimmune diseases.

 

Despite these risks, the World Health Organization (WHO) reaffirms that the AstraZeneca vaccine's protective benefits against Covid-19 surpass the uncommon potential side effects, especially in nations still grappling with the virus.

 

According to the WHO, hospital admissions in Thailand due to Covid-19 infection have seen a surge since March. Recently, the rise in cases has been quite considerable, possibly exacerbated by mass gathers during the Songkran festivities. A significant portion of the Thai population remains partially or yet to be vaccinated against Covid-19.

 

-- 2024-05-06

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[BigBruv]

 

"Thailand's NVI Backs AstraZeneca Amid Controversy":    Well they would wouldn't they?

Possibly scared of the legal repercussions

 

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/aug/26/bbc-presenter-lisa-shaw-died-of-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-complications-coroner-finds

"Karen Dilks, the senior coroner for Newcastle, gave a narrative conclusion. “Lisa died due to complications of an AstraZeneca Covid vaccine,” she said.

Shaw, who was referred to by her married name, Lisa Eve, during the hearing, started complaining of headaches a few days after her vaccination. She eventually visited a hospital A&E department in Durham, where she was diagnosed with a blood clot.

She was transferred to the Royal Victoria Infirmary where she received a number of treatments, including cutting away part of her skull to relieve the pressure on her brain, but despite those efforts she died on 21 May."

 

But yep, otherwise "safe & effective'", "saved trillions of lives" etc from the 'pandemic' that seemed to end the moment the Ukraine war started.

 

Edited May 5 by BigBruv

[hotchilli]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

According to the WHO, hospital admissions in Thailand due to Covid-19 infection have seen a surge since March. Recently, the rise in cases has been quite considerable, possibly exacerbated by mass gathers during the Songkran festivities. A significant portion of the Thai population remains partially or yet to be vaccinated against Covid-19.

Life goes on, more chance of dying on the way to somewhere than with Covid.

Having said that the neighbours just returned from a visit to Nakhon Si Thammarat and both kids have Covid 19

[thesetat]

Too much is still unknown about all of the COVID vaccines. Especially in the long term. Just the fact that bad news and stories about people getting ill after they got the vaccines was suppressed should have sent alerts to every person on the planet. Forcing people to take them in some countries. Even in Thailand, the choice you had was continue with your work with vaccines or lose your job. Thank God I refused to allow my kids to be given any vaccine.

Edited May 6 by stats
misinformation claim removed

[Bday Prang]

Have the WHO.  CDC. etc  ever made any negative comment regarding any of the covid vaccines ?   They spend a lot of time extolling the virtues, but fall conspicuously silent regarding any issues,  One would expect the big pharma companies to be economical with the truth , but the various authorities  involved are supposed to be independent but they appear to completely ignore what is now a large amount of negative reports,  often vilifying those with legitimate concerns.

            I think people could be forgiven for not trusting anything these organisations tell us, Its 

[HuaHinNew]

 

[Negita43]

The age old paradox - risk versus reward:

If you have the Astra Zeneca Covid vaccine you might die from Thrombosis if you don't you might die from Covid BUT you cannot know beforehand which category you might fall into - all we can do is look at the statistics and make our own decisions or not as the case may be.

[newbee2022]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

Picture courtesy of CNBC Indonesia

 

The National Vaccine Institute (NVI) of Thailand has released a statement reassuring the public about the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine, especially regarding serious side effects.

 

From approximately 48.7 million doses disbursed throughout the country, only seven cases of Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome (TTS) have been suspected, highlighting a notably low occurrence rate.

 

These comments come after AstraZeneca, the Swedish-based pharmaceutical firm, conceded that there is an increased risk of TTS from their vaccine. Evidence suggests that TTS typically manifests within a span of three to 21 days following the first vaccine dose. The susceptibility for this severe side effect is also higher among the elderly and those with a prior history of thrombosis or autoimmune diseases.

 

Despite these risks, the World Health Organization (WHO) reaffirms that the AstraZeneca vaccine's protective benefits against Covid-19 surpass the uncommon potential side effects, especially in nations still grappling with the virus.

 

According to the WHO, hospital admissions in Thailand due to Covid-19 infection have seen a surge since March. Recently, the rise in cases has been quite considerable, possibly exacerbated by mass gathers during the Songkran festivities. A significant portion of the Thai population remains partially or yet to be vaccinated against Covid-19.

 

-- 2024-05-06

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Now I'm relieved by more than 100 % 😂😂😂

[dinsdale]

4 hours ago, Negita43 said:

The age old paradox - risk versus reward:

If you have the Astra Zeneca Covid vaccine you might die from Thrombosis if you don't you might die from Covid BUT you cannot know beforehand which category you might fall into - all we can do is look at the statistics and make our own decisions or not as the case may be.

Very little chance of dying from covid these days.

Edited May 6 by stats
unsourced claims removed

[connda]

If there is such a super low incident of side-affects, then why are the shots indemnified?
If the major side affects are so rare then the company should have no problem paying the health care and recovery costs of those rare, few souls who the shots damaged. Or if the government indemnified the companies than they should step up and pay. Right?

Instead -
"Get the shots, get the shots, get the shots - oh - you got TTS and a 2 million THB hospital bill?  You must of had a comorbidity.  It's your own fault, sucks to be you. Fill out this paperwork and we'll get back to you in a few years...maybe; may not. Get the shots, get the shots, get the shots."

Then they wring their hands about "vaccine hesitancy." 

🙂 "Get the shots.  TTS is very very very rare.  Never happen to you."
🤕 "It happened to me and now I have heart problems and bills and I can't work."
🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗 <chirp chirp chirp>
🙂  "Get the shots.  TTS is very very very rare.  Never happen to you."

 

Then it takes the public to step up:
"We're holding a benefit for Khun SucksToBeYou who got TTS  after his AZ shot to help pay his medical bills."

 
Government and Pharmaceutical companies

"Why are so few people getting the shots.  Come-on.  'Safe and Effective.'  Get the shots!  We're losing money.  Chop chop!  Declare a pandemic."

[RobU]

5 hours ago, BigBruv said:

 

"Thailand's NVI Backs AstraZeneca Amid Controversy":    Well they would wouldn't they?

Possibly scared of the legal repercussions

 

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/aug/26/bbc-presenter-lisa-shaw-died-of-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-complications-coroner-finds

"Karen Dilks, the senior coroner for Newcastle, gave a narrative conclusion. “Lisa died due to complications of an AstraZeneca Covid vaccine,” she said.

Shaw, who was referred to by her married name, Lisa Eve, during the hearing, started complaining of headaches a few days after her vaccination. She eventually visited a hospital A&E department in Durham, where she was diagnosed with a blood clot.

She was transferred to the Royal Victoria Infirmary where she received a number of treatments, including cutting away part of her skull to relieve the pressure on her brain, but despite those efforts she died on 21 May."

 

But yep, otherwise "safe & effective'", "saved trillions of lives" etc from the 'pandemic' that seemed to end the moment the Ukraine war started.

 

No vaccine is perfectly safe. There will always be someone who has an adverse reaction. The fact is that the number of people who suffered adverse reactions was well within statistical acceptability. Quoting individual cases is meaningless, it's just grandstanding and fear mongering. The vast majority of people vaccinated (over 99%) did not have any severe adverse reaction. Vaccination is not about protecting every individual it is about protecting the population as a whole from being decimated and consequently a country's economy and society failing

Edited May 6 by RobU

[Bday Prang]

29 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Need to look past the narrative to start getting information that will help in making your own decision.

seems to be getting harder and harder to do just that   statements like this don't exactly help 

 "Despite these risks, the World Health Organization (WHO) reaffirms that the AstraZeneca vaccine's protective benefits against Covid-19 surpass the uncommon potential side effects, especially in nations still grappling with the virus.

 Is any nation still grappling with covid ?    Isn't  this a little bit similar to the tobacco companies targeting relatively uninformed  third world countries as potential customers for their products that have now been identified as harmful in the developed world ? 

[dinsdale]

33 minutes ago, RobU said:

No vaccine is perfectly safe. There will always be someone who has an adverse reaction. The fact is that the number of people who suffered adverse reactions was well within statistical acceptability. Quoting individual cases is meaningless, it's just grandstanding and fear mongering. The vast majority of people vaccinated (over 99%) did not have any severe adverse reaction

This is the narrative I speak about. Big pharma and the CDC will agree with your comment without doubt. Do you not find it significant that AZ and J&J have been removed from major markets? As for your 99% that still means >100 million adverse events with over 10 billion shots being administered. I guess this no longer becomes "meaningless". Slowly but surely your accepentence of the narritive will be shown to be misguided. The truth is coming out, even in the access media.

This is an interesting start from access media in the US with hopefully more to come.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/03/health/covid-vaccines-side-effects.html

 

 

Edited May 6 by dinsdale

[300sd]

Insurance companies, undertakers, and ex hospital workers might be a good place to look for some answers.

[johng]

26 minutes ago, RobU said:

it is about protecting the population as a whole from being decimated and consequently a country's economy and society failing

 

You should "do some of your own research"  yes I know its frowned upon and  the "fact checkers" say you'll turn into an misinformed moron if you do   but just ask google

for  "infection fatality rate of COVID-19"

 

The social and economic  disaster was inflicted by the so called leaders of the countries....except a few notable exceptions  Sweden being one.

[Conno]

 

What I found particularly terrifying at the time was the complete lack of informed consent. I mean people were lining up in shopping centers FFS and just having some 'nurse' administer a completely unknown product into their body because of the pressure that it was the right thing to do. I will never forget that era or how close we came to losing sovereignty over what goes into our own bodies. In Thailand's favor it did remain a voluntary choice here throughout the whole insanity, but there were times I thought that might not remain the case. Phew. 

[RobU]

3 minutes ago, johng said:

 

You should "do some of your own research"  yes I know its frowned upon and  the "fact checkers" say you'll turn into an misinformed moron if you do   but just ask google

for  "infection fatality rate of COVID-19"

 

The social and economic  disaster was inflicted by the so called leaders of the countries....except a few notable exceptions  Sweden being one.

It was lockdown that caused the problems with society not vaccines. I was totally against lockdown it was not necessary once the health services completed their preparations. It was kept in place for political resons

[dinsdale]

55 minutes ago, RobU said:

it is about protecting the population as a whole from being decimated and consequently a country's economy and society failing

You mean like African countries where vaccine uptake was very low. Decimated? No. Economic and social failure? No. Well no more than already exists.  

Edited May 6 by dinsdale

[Bday Prang]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

According to the WHO, hospital admissions in Thailand due to Covid-19 infection have seen a surge since March. Recently, the rise in cases has been quite considerable, possibly exacerbated by mass gathers during the Songkran festivities. A significant portion of the Thai population remains partially or yet to be vaccinated against Covid-19.

 

  With a vaccine  that neither guarantee immunity from infection or indeed transmission of the virus in question once infected.

  Its always a case of "oh but things would be much worse for you if not vaccinated."      The same logic my missis applies to the Buddhist amulets adorning the dashboard of my car

 Some people had a strong reaction to covid and some showed no symptoms at all , allegedly,  How on earth can anybody possibly state that the vaccine actually helped anybody?  The placebo effect would produce enough "statistics" to confirm the narrative.  I have had covid at least 3 times once before I was reluctantly vaccinated and twice after receiving 3 shots of pfizer.  There was no noticeable reduction in the relatively mild symptoms I suffered, despite my first infection being early on and presumably the nastier Alpha variant and my later infections being the milder Omicron strain.   "A significant portion of the Thai population remains partially or yet to be vaccinated against Covid-19."   that statement will be the precursor to a sales drive,  what exactly does "partially" vaccinated actually mean?  Also note that there is  no mention of any natural immunity one would get from being infected,  only the vaccine will  protect.....or not 

[john donson]

 

finally some news is dripping out by whistleblowers, but hey, they cannot be sued and the government backs them because they pushed it and would be responsible...

 

well, the tax payers ...  the still have their pockets full of the usual legal bribes and post high positions they got for ok-ing all this

 

Edited May 6 by stats
unsourced claim removed

[john donson]

17 minutes ago, 300sd said:

Insurance companies, undertakers, and ex hospital workers might be a good place to look for some answers.

 

no that would cause loss of face

[connda]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

From approximately 48.7 million doses disbursed throughout the country, only seven cases of Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome (TTS) have been suspected, highlighting a notably low occurrence rate.

One out of 100 people could have heart damage and both the government and Big-Pharma would spew statistics saying:



Instead both would blame it on the victim for having pre-existing conditions and bad life-style choices - or - We see nothing!.

And then I still remember Joe Biden up on stage at a Town Hall saying,

"You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations," and "If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the ICU unit, and you’re not going to die."
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-if-vaccinated-wont-get-covid/

And then on July 21, 2022 NPR publishes this:
"Even if you're the president, it's hard to avoid a breakthrough COVID infection
With his positive test for COVID-19 on Thursday, President Biden joined the throngs of Americans who have contracted the coronavirus even though they are vaccinated and boosted."
https://www.npr.org/2022/07/21/1112770591/biden-coronavirus-breakthrough-infection

And unfortunately people who got the shots, regardless of the relative numbers in relationship to the "unvaccinated," vaccinated have still have gone to the hospital, gone to an ICU, and some have died.  The president told us that would not happen!

So, like me, there are many people who feel that government officials willfully lie to them to promote pharmaceutical company's products at the expense of safety.

It's perception. I catch you lying to me - then a don't trust you after that.  Then Big Pharma and the government wrings their hands over "vaccine hesitancy." 

"Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."

 

Edited May 6 by connda

[johng]

14 minutes ago, RobU said:

It was lockdown that caused the problems with society not vaccines.

So we are in agreement...  great. 👍

[Bday Prang]

12 minutes ago, RobU said:

It was lockdown that caused the problems with society not vaccines. I was totally against lockdown it was not necessary once the health services completed their preparations. It was kept in place for political resons

indeed lockdowns impacted on societies and their economies very negatively ,  if that was the intention then they were a resounding success.  Now its slowly emerging that vaccines played their part by impacting on the health of those societies, the degree of "success" has yet to be made public

[RobU]

4 minutes ago, johng said:

So we are in agreement...  great. 👍

It appears so

[RobU]

20 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

You mean like African countries where vaccine uptake was very low. Decimated? No. Economic and social failure? No. Well no more than already exists.  

Interesting point that you trust the statistics from the usually very corrupt governments of those poor African countries where politics is just a way of making money

[dinsdale]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

Despite these risks, the World Health Organization (WHO) reaffirms that the AstraZeneca vaccine's protective benefits against Covid-19 surpass the uncommon potential side effects, especially in nations still grappling with the virus.

Trust us!!!!! We are The WHO/The CDC/Big Pharma/Your Government/The Access Media.

 

Edited May 6 by stats
trolling meme removed

[Conno]

3 hours ago, john donson said:

 

finally some news is dripping out by whistleblowers, but hey, they cannot be sued and the government backs them because they pushed it and would be responsible...

 

well, the tax payers ...  the still have their pockets full of the usual legal bribes and post high positions they got for ok-ing all this

 

 

Again 100%, including on here. The pressure was off the scale globally to comply. One bloke I was friendly with shocked me one day by telling me I was a rebel, just shut your mouth and wear your mask and stop fighting against the system. That was the end of that relationship. He still lives in the same condo and we just pass without speaking these days. Sad state of affairs, but luckily not a loved one or close family and I know that happened too many times too. 

[Conno]

50 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

  With a vaccine  that neither guarantee immunity from infection or indeed transmission of the virus in question once infected.

  Its always a case of "oh but things would be much worse for you if not vaccinated."      The same logic my missis applies to the Buddhist amulets adorning the dashboard of my car

 Some people had a strong reaction to covid and some showed no symptoms at all , allegedly,  How on earth can anybody possibly state that the vaccine actually helped anybody?  The placebo effect would produce enough "statistics" to confirm the narrative.  I have had covid at least 3 times once before I was reluctantly vaccinated and twice after receiving 3 shots of pfizer.  There was no noticeable reduction in the relatively mild symptoms I suffered, despite my first infection being early on and presumably the nastier Alpha variant and my later infections being the milder Omicron strain.   "A significant portion of the Thai population remains partially or yet to be vaccinated against Covid-19."   that statement will be the precursor to a sales drive,  what exactly does "partially" vaccinated actually mean?  Also note that there is  no mention of any natural immunity one would get from being infected,  only the vaccine will  protect.....or not 

Bday Prang -  When you say 'Reluctantly' was that due to work or the need to travel? That was outrageous too.

 

My sister actually died of cancer in 2021 in the UK which resulted in me having to make a heartbreaking choice. If I left Thailand unjabbed to attend her funeral I would have been unable to return as I didn't have the "cert' the authorities were demanding for travel/re-entry. I was also adamant I would NOT comply and take this juice. In the end I decided not to return to the UK as she had already passed and my being there wouldn't have helped her. In the two weeks or so before she actually died, relatives also informed me that nobody was even allowed to visit the hospital at that time anyway, even immediate family. So once again returning would have accomplished nothing. 

 

So consequently she died alone with faceless medical staff dressed in PPE. She was mentally handicapped too with cerebral palsy so doubt she even would have understood what was going on. It brings a tear to my eye even today thinking about it and also a rage I cant describe. Never Again. NEVER AGAIN. 

Edited May 6 by Conno

[Rimmer]

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