UN General Assembly Backs Palestinian Rights Amidst Rising Tensions

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The United Nations General Assembly has made strides to bolster Palestine's standing within the international community. The resolution, passed, advocates for Palestine's acceptance as a full member of the United Nations, a development that has stirred both hope and controversy.

 

For years, Palestine has held a non-member observer state status at the UN, offering limited rights and recognition on the global stage. However, this latest resolution signals a push for a more significant role for Palestine within the organization, including the ability to participate fully in debates, propose agenda items, and have representatives elected to committees. It's a significant step forward, though membership ultimately rests in the hands of the UN Security Council.

 

The backdrop to this decision is a complex web of geopolitical tensions, historical grievances, and ongoing conflicts. The issue of Palestinian statehood has been a thorny one for decades, with deep-seated divisions and conflicting narratives on both sides.

 

 

For Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, the resolution is a ray of hope, a validation of Palestinian aspirations for statehood and self-determination. He sees it as a catalyst for renewed efforts to secure full UN membership, a goal that has long eluded the Palestinian people. In a statement following the vote, Abbas expressed gratitude for the support and reiterated Palestine's commitment to pursuing its rightful place among the community of nations.

 

On the other hand, Israel's reaction has been predictably contentious. Israeli Ambassador to the UN, Gilad Erdan, lashed out at the decision, decrying it as a capitulation to terrorism. He accused the General Assembly of embracing a "terror state" and dramatically tore up a copy of the UN Charter in protest. For Israel, the prospect of Palestine gaining greater recognition on the international stage is deeply unsettling, viewed as a potential threat to its security and legitimacy.

 

Amidst these diplomatic maneuvers, the plight of the Palestinian people remains a stark reality. Decades of conflict, occupation, and displacement have taken a heavy toll, with millions of Palestinians living under harsh conditions in the occupied territories and refugee camps. The dream of a viable Palestinian state seems more elusive than ever, overshadowed by political gridlock, economic hardship, and the specter of violence.

 

At the heart of the matter lies the question of Palestinian statehood and the broader quest for a just and lasting peace in the region. The so-called two-state solution, which envisions an independent Palestinian state existing alongside Israel, has long been touted as the path to reconciliation. However, achieving this vision requires overcoming formidable obstacles, including territorial disputes, security concerns, and the status of Jerusalem, among others.

 

The recent UN resolution is but one chapter in a larger narrative of struggle and resilience for the Palestinian people. It reflects their ongoing quest for recognition, dignity, and justice in the face of adversity. Whether it leads to tangible progress on the ground remains to be seen, but for many Palestinians, it represents a glimmer of hope in an otherwise bleak landscape.

 

 

2024-05-11

 

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[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Social Media said:

Israeli Ambassador to the UN, Gilad Erdan, lashed out at the decision, decrying it as a capitulation to terrorism. He accused the General Assembly of embracing a "terror state" and dramatically tore up a copy of the UN Charter in protest.

What a cheek! Israel only exists today because the UN approved it.

I hope the US isn't able to veto this resolution.

[Bkk Brian]

9 Countries voted against the resolution including the US.

 

25 abstained including the UK which said in their statement:

 

“We are abstaining from this resolution because we believe the first step towards achieving this goal is resolving the immediate crisis in Gaza,” she said, emphasising that the fastest way to end the conflict is “to secure a deal which gets the hostages out and allows for a pause in the fighting”.

“We must then work together to turn that pause into a sustainable, permanent ceasefire.”

She added that “setting out the horizon” for a Palestinian State should be one of the vital conditions from moving from a pause in fighting to a sustainable ceasefire.

 

 

Israel Ambassador to the UN Gilad Erdan

"Watch my speech against the despicable decision to give rights of a state to the terror supporting Palestinian Authority. I shredded the "UN Charter" to illustrate what the General Assembly is doing by subverting the Security Council and supporting the entry of a terror entity."

 

 

[Hanaguma]

Well then, those 143 countries can get together and pony up a bit of land for the Palestinians to live on. Or they can pull the coins from under their sofa cushions and pay for Gaza to be rebuilt once Hamas is gone.  It is easy to preen and pose until you actually have to pay the bill. 

[Presto]

4 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Well then, those 143 countries can get together and pony up a bit of land for the Palestinians to live on. Or they can pull the coins from under their sofa cushions and pay for Gaza to be rebuilt once Hamas is gone.  It is easy to preen and pose until you actually have to pay the bill. 

So you are actually supporting ethnic cleansing?

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, Presto said:

So you are actually supporting ethnic cleansing?

 

   No, its supporting the destruction of a terror organisation , a murderous terror organisation that commits war crimes and atrocities  .

   Are you supporting that terror organisation ?

[Presto]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   No, its supporting the destruction of a terror organisation , a murderous terror organisation that commits war crimes and atrocities  .

   Are you supporting that terror organisation ?

Perhaps you should read Hanagumas post again, to which I reacted. And while you're at it, look up the definition of ethnic cleansing.

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Presto said:

Perhaps you should read Hanagumas post again, to which I reacted. And while you're at it, look up the definition of ethnic cleansing.

 

   Is the eradiation of a terror group regarded as ethnic cleansing ?

[spidermike007]

Due to the ridiculously disproportionate bombardment of Gaza and the ongoing genocide committed against women and children, this is a wonderful development. Israel needs to be as isolated as possible from the rest of the world, they barely deserve standing in the United Nations anymore. 

[Hanaguma]

27 minutes ago, Presto said:

So you are actually supporting ethnic cleansing?

Don't presume to tell me what I do and do not support. That is gaslighting of a rather juvenile kind.

 

It is a general fact that refugees and displaced people do not return to their original homes. After WW2, there were millions of displaced people- Germans leaving East Prussia, huge population shifts in India/Pakistan when they separated, even in recent history in North\South Sudan. The idea that you can somehow return to the actual land/house where your great grandfather once lived is utter madness. 

 

My point is that it is easy for the UN to flap its collective gums, harder to actually pay for their bloviating.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

I would take the General Assembly resolution on this as a sign that many in the international community, while supporting Israel's right to exist and sovereignty, nonetheless believe the country has gone too far in the ways it has pursued its retaliatory war campaign against the Palestinians.

US says Israel may have breached international law with American weapons in Gaza

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68984999

 

The report said the UN and humanitarian organisations had described Israeli efforts to mitigate civilian harm as "inconsistent, ineffective and inadequate".

 

UN general assembly votes to back Palestinian bid for membership

Assembly votes 143 to nine, with 25 abstentions, signalling Israel’s growing isolation on the world stage

 

...the vote was a resounding expression of world opinion in favour of Palestinian statehood, galvanised by the continuing bloodshed and famine caused by Israel’s war in Gaza.

...

The other nations which voted against the resolution were Argentina, Czechia, Hungary, Israel, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau and Papua New Guinea. The UK abstained.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/10/un-support-palestine-membership

 

 

The U.S. probably would veto the Palestinian membership resolution should the issue come to the Security Council, as per the Guardian report above:

 

"The US mission to the UN, which voted against the resolution, warned that it would also use its veto again if the question of Palestinian membership returned to the security council for another vote."

 

But the overwhelming General Assembly vote is still sending a clear message.

 

And apparently, the General Assembly action gives Palestinians new rights in the General Assembly even in the absence of a Security Council vote:

 

Per the Guardian report above:

 

"Palestinian diplomats will have the right to introduce proposals and amendments, they can be elected to official posts in the full chamber and on committees, and will have the right to speak on Middle Eastern matters, as well as the right to make statements on behalf of groups of nations in the assembly.

 

But the resolution also makes plain that “the state of Palestine, in its capacity as an observer state, does not have the right to vote in the general assembly or to put forward its candidature to United Nations organs.”

 

 

As per reporting from CNN:

UN member nations vote overwhelmingly to back Palestinian membership bid

United Nations (CNN)  — A United Nations resolution in support of Palestinian membership passed with overwhelming support on Friday, and granted new privileges to the Palestinian Authority in its current capacity as a non-member observer state.

...

Only member states can vote, but the Palestinian Authority can now be seated among member states in alphabetical order; submit and introduce proposals and amendments; and co-sponsor proposals and amendments.

 

It can also make statements and explanations of votes, and has the right to reply on behalf of a group within the UN. It can also request proposals to be put to a vote and request items to be put on the UNGA’s provisional agenda.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middleeast/unga-palestinian-membership-resolution-intl/index.html

 

 

Edited May 11 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

I would take the General Assembly resolution on this as a sign that many in the international community, while supporting Israel's right to exist and sovereignty, nonetheless believe the country has gone too far in the ways it has pursued its retaliatory war campaign against the Palestinians.

US says Israel may have breached international law with American weapons in Gaza

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68984999

 

The report said the UN and humanitarian organisations had described Israeli efforts to mitigate civilian harm as "inconsistent, ineffective and inadequate".

 

Topic on that:

 

US Report Suggests Israel May Have Violated International Law with American Weapons in Gaza

https://aseannow.com/topic/1327021-us-report-suggests-israel-may-have-violated-international-law-with-american-weapons-in-gaza

 

[Presto]

8 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Don't presume to tell me what I do and do not support. That is gaslighting of a rather juvenile kind.

 

It is a general fact that refugees and displaced people do not return to their original homes. After WW2, there were millions of displaced people- Germans leaving East Prussia, huge population shifts in India/Pakistan when they separated, even in recent history in North\South Sudan. The idea that you can somehow return to the actual land/house where your great grandfather once lived is utter madness. 

 

My point is that it is easy for the UN to flap its collective gums, harder to actually pay for their bloviating.

I'm not talking about the UN. Anything the UN or UNSC does or says, Israel will give it the middle finger anyway. With the support of America of course.

I'm talking about you suggesting that 143 countries should buy some land somewhere for the Palestinians. 

Israel has indiscriminately bombed Gaza, making it uninhabitable, while at the same time supporting illegal settlers in the West Bank driving Palestinian farmers from their land.

Not long ago Netanyahu showed a map of where Israel should be: from the river to the sea. 

I call that deliberate ethnic cleansing, since the end goal is clear.

You may call it anything you want of course.

Edited May 11 by Presto

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

I would take the General Assembly resolution on this as a sign that many in the international community, while supporting Israel's right to exist and sovereignty, nonetheless believe the country has gone too far in the ways it has pursued its retaliatory war campaign against the Palestinians.

 

 

   .......................and Hitler and three battalions of Nazis should have been left in Berlin in 1945 to live happily ever after , eradicating them all went way too far .

   

    *Sarcasm*

[mfd101]

A two-state solution will never work because noone can work out where to draw the lines that everyone will agree on.

 

In theory only a one-state solution can work. But not in our lifetime, though I do note that there are an awful lot of Palestinians who live pretty comfortably within the current State of Israel - working, educating their children, voting for Parliament, serving in the Israeli Army ...

 

The other alternative is that the Palestinians leave to disperse amongst the Arab countries. But that'll never happen either - the Arabs actually can't stand them (not Arab enough) and the Arab states are in quiet league with Israel against the greater enemy Iran.

Edited May 11 by mfd101

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Because the world is watching:

Battles rage around Rafah’s edge as more than 100,000 flee the city

Heavy fighting between Israeli troops and Palestinian militants raged east of Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip on Friday, as terrified residents jammed roads out of the city, many of them fleeing once again for their lives without any guarantees that they would find safety.

...

At least 110,000 people have fled Rafah as Israel’s bombardment there intensifies, according to U.N. agencies, and the closure this week of two main entry points for aid has accelerated the humanitarian crisis in southern Gaza.

...

Israel for months said it planned to pursue Hamas militants in Rafah, on the border with Egypt, framing any offensive there as necessary to its goal of eliminating the group. It launched what it said was a limited operation to seize the Rafah border crossing on Tuesday. But aid agencies and the United Nations, as well as Israel’s closest allies, have all warned against a full-scale invasion of the city, saying the toll on the more than 1 million people sheltering there would be nothing short of catastrophic.

 

Washington Post

https://archive.ph/FKLKf

 

 

[riclag]

Hey UN what about the hostages!

What is it with these people who support terrorism ! They always side with the hostage taker's.

 

[Social Media]

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Because the world is watching:

Battles rage around Rafah’s edge as more than 100,000 flee the city

Heavy fighting between Israeli troops and Palestinian militants raged east of Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip on Friday, as terrified residents jammed roads out of the city, many of them fleeing once again for their lives without any guarantees that they would find safety.

...

At least 110,000 people have fled Rafah as Israel’s bombardment there intensifies, according to U.N. agencies, and the closure this week of two main entry points for aid has accelerated the humanitarian crisis in southern Gaza.

...

Israel for months said it planned to pursue Hamas militants in Rafah, on the border with Egypt, framing any offensive there as necessary to its goal of eliminating the group. It launched what it said was a limited operation to seize the Rafah border crossing on Tuesday. But aid agencies and the United Nations, as well as Israel’s closest allies, have all warned against a full-scale invasion of the city, saying the toll on the more than 1 million people sheltering there would be nothing short of catastrophic.

 

Washington Post

https://archive.ph/FKLKf

 

 

The Rafah topic is running here:

 

Tensions as IDF Orders Evacuation of Parts of Rafah Amidst Threat of Ground Invasion

 

 

[newbee2022]

7 hours ago, Social Media said:

 

The United Nations General Assembly has made strides to bolster Palestine's standing within the international community. The resolution, passed, advocates for Palestine's acceptance as a full member of the United Nations, a development that has stirred both hope and controversy.

 

For years, Palestine has held a non-member observer state status at the UN, offering limited rights and recognition on the global stage. However, this latest resolution signals a push for a more significant role for Palestine within the organization, including the ability to participate fully in debates, propose agenda items, and have representatives elected to committees. It's a significant step forward, though membership ultimately rests in the hands of the UN Security Council.

 

The backdrop to this decision is a complex web of geopolitical tensions, historical grievances, and ongoing conflicts. The issue of Palestinian statehood has been a thorny one for decades, with deep-seated divisions and conflicting narratives on both sides.

 

 

For Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, the resolution is a ray of hope, a validation of Palestinian aspirations for statehood and self-determination. He sees it as a catalyst for renewed efforts to secure full UN membership, a goal that has long eluded the Palestinian people. In a statement following the vote, Abbas expressed gratitude for the support and reiterated Palestine's commitment to pursuing its rightful place among the community of nations.

 

On the other hand, Israel's reaction has been predictably contentious. Israeli Ambassador to the UN, Gilad Erdan, lashed out at the decision, decrying it as a capitulation to terrorism. He accused the General Assembly of embracing a "terror state" and dramatically tore up a copy of the UN Charter in protest. For Israel, the prospect of Palestine gaining greater recognition on the international stage is deeply unsettling, viewed as a potential threat to its security and legitimacy.

 

Amidst these diplomatic maneuvers, the plight of the Palestinian people remains a stark reality. Decades of conflict, occupation, and displacement have taken a heavy toll, with millions of Palestinians living under harsh conditions in the occupied territories and refugee camps. The dream of a viable Palestinian state seems more elusive than ever, overshadowed by political gridlock, economic hardship, and the specter of violence.

 

At the heart of the matter lies the question of Palestinian statehood and the broader quest for a just and lasting peace in the region. The so-called two-state solution, which envisions an independent Palestinian state existing alongside Israel, has long been touted as the path to reconciliation. However, achieving this vision requires overcoming formidable obstacles, including territorial disputes, security concerns, and the status of Jerusalem, among others.

 

The recent UN resolution is but one chapter in a larger narrative of struggle and resilience for the Palestinian people. It reflects their ongoing quest for recognition, dignity, and justice in the face of adversity. Whether it leads to tangible progress on the ground remains to be seen, but for many Palestinians, it represents a glimmer of hope in an otherwise bleak landscape.

 

 

2024-05-11

 

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Well, eventually the world will see and know now what a murderous state Israel is. Killing is daily duty and business. A good Palestinian is a dead Palestinian. This has to stop! Now👍

[Hanaguma]

Just now, newbee2022 said:

Well, eventually the world will see and know now what a murderous state Israel is. Killing is daily duty and business. A good Palestinian is a dead Palestinian. This has to stop! Now👍

And it WILL stop. As soon as Hamas surrenders and releases their hostages, it will stop. Then, a freer and more prosperous Gaza can be built, free of terrorists and their medieval philosophy.

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

 A good Palestinian is a dead Palestinian. 

 

   You seem to be saying that people who hold babies as hostages and  demanding that murders are released from prison in order to release the baby, are good people 

[newbee2022]

9 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

And it WILL stop. As soon as Hamas surrenders and releases their hostages, it will stop. Then, a freer and more prosperous Gaza can be built, free of terrorists and their medieval philosophy.

There are no people left in Gaza when Israel has finished the killings.

And don't tell me all the dead people of Gaza had been Hamas fighters! It's just eradicate the Palestinians. It's disgraceful and a shame😡

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

There are no people left in Gaza when Israel has finished the killings.

And don't tell me all the dead people of Gaza had been Hamas fighters! It's just eradicate the Palestinians. It's disgraceful and a shame😡

 

   Don't worry , Israel really aren't wanting to kill all the Palestinians in Gaza and neither are they going to .

    Not all the dead in Gaza have been Hamas members , but civilians do die in wars

[Presto]

9 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Don't worry , Israel really aren't wanting to kill all the Palestinians in Gaza and neither are they going to .

    Not all the dead in Gaza have been Hamas members , but civilians do die in wars

You're probably not aware that after WWII, the Geneva Conventions were created, exactly to prevent civilian deaths. It's pretty obvious that Israel doesn't care about dead civilians, their easy escape is: all those dead bodies there were Hamas fighters.

In their policies Israel has a 1 : 100 civilians to Hamas ratio as acceptable, when it's about an important Hamas leader. And since everything is in rubble when those 2000 pound dumb American bombs are dropped, who knows what really happened.

A few days ago Piers Morgan had an enlightening interview with an official Israeli government spokesperson. That guy bravely stated how many Hamas fighters were killed in seven months, but didn't have a clue about how many civilians. Even after repeated pressing from Morgan.

It's very revealing, but also a complete disgrace for the country of Israel.

 

[Nick Carter icp]

16 minutes ago, Presto said:

You're probably not aware that after WWII, the Geneva Conventions were created, exactly to prevent civilian deaths. It's pretty obvious that Israel doesn't care about dead civilians, their easy escape is: all those dead bodies there were Hamas fighters.

In their policies Israel has a 1 : 100 civilians to Hamas ratio as acceptable, when it's about an important Hamas leader. And since everything is in rubble when those 2000 pound dumb American bombs are dropped, who knows what really happened.

A few days ago Piers Morgan had an enlightening interview with an official Israeli government spokesperson. That guy bravely stated how many Hamas fighters were killed in seven months, but didn't have a clue about how many civilians. Even after repeated pressing from Morgan.

It's very revealing, but also a complete disgrace for the country of Israel.

 

 

  Israel has asked the Palestinian civilians  to move away from areas where bombing will take place in advance  , telling civilians to move to safer areas . Israel have been dropping leaflet's on areas in advance of bombing  and asking them to vacate the areas and given them maps of where to go and how to get there .

   Israel has also provided accommodation  for 400 000 people fleeing Rafah .

About 13 000 Hamas members have already been killed and about 20 000 civilians .

That is a very low civilian to enemy combatant death rate , its usually much higher than that in ways .

    That shows that Israel does indeed care about civilians 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

48 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 Israel has also provided accommodation  for 400 000 people fleeing Rafah .

 

Do you have some source to offer here substantiating that statement. I can't find anything saying that.  This is the 400,000 people reference that I'm finding:

UN says over 400,000 people displaced in Gaza, appeals for $300 million

October 13, 2023

 

GENEVA (Reuters) - The U.N. humanitarian office (OCHA) said early on Friday that more than 400,000 people had fled their homes in the Gaza Strip and 23 aid workers had been killed since the start of Israeli retaliatory strikes in response to a deadly Hamas incursion.

...

"Mass displacement continues. In the Gaza Strip, the cumulative number of internally displaced persons (IDPs) increased by 25% over the past 24 hours, now exceeding 423,000, of whom over two thirds are taking shelter in UNRWA schools," OCHA said, referring to the U.N. Palestinian refugee agency. [emphasis added]

 

https://au.news.yahoo.com/un-says-over-400-000-061203909.html

 

 

[mfd101]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Don't worry , Israel really aren't wanting to kill all the Palestinians in Gaza and neither are they going to .

    Not all the dead in Gaza have been Hamas members , but civilians do die in wars

Yes, and - everywhere in the world - people are responsible for the governments they elect and tolerate.

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Do you have some source to offer here substantiating that statement. I can't find anything saying that.  This is the 400,000 people reference that I'm finding:

 

   Here :

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68888299

 

  The emphasis was on accommodation provided for people if they need it , rather than the amount of actual people fleeing 

Edited May 11 by Nick Carter icp

[Thingamabob]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Due to the ridiculously disproportionate bombardment of Gaza and the ongoing genocide committed against women and children, this is a wonderful development. Israel needs to be as isolated as possible from the rest of the world, they barely deserve standing in the United Nations anymore. 

Revealing...

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, Presto said:

You're probably not aware that after WWII, the Geneva Conventions were created, exactly to prevent civilian deaths. It's pretty obvious that Israel doesn't care about dead civilians, their easy escape is: all those dead bodies there were Hamas fighters.

In their policies Israel has a 1 : 100 civilians to Hamas ratio as acceptable, when it's about an important Hamas leader. And since everything is in rubble when those 2000 pound dumb American bombs are dropped, who knows what really happened.

A few days ago Piers Morgan had an enlightening interview with an official Israeli government spokesperson. That guy bravely stated how many Hamas fighters were killed in seven months, but didn't have a clue about how many civilians. Even after repeated pressing from Morgan.

It's very revealing, but also a complete disgrace for the country of Israel.

 

In their policies Israel has a 1 : 100 civilians to Hamas ratio as acceptable, when it's about an important Hamas leader. And since everything is in rubble when those 2000 pound dumb American bombs are dropped, who knows what really happened.

 

Why plain lie?

 

As regards Geneva conventions; Its covered in IHL

 

The Lawful Killing of Civilians Under International Humanitarian Law

 

However I fail to see what this has to do with UN Resolution of the topic, as the UK stated:

 

“We are abstaining from this resolution because we believe the first step towards achieving this goal is resolving the immediate crisis in Gaza,” she said, emphasising that the fastest way to end the conflict is “to secure a deal which gets the hostages out and allows for a pause in the fighting”.

“We must then work together to turn that pause into a sustainable, permanent ceasefire.”

She added that “setting out the horizon” for a Palestinian State should be one of the vital conditions from moving from a pause in fighting to a sustainable ceasefire.

 

 

Edited May 11 by Bkk Brian