2 hours ago, PJ71 said:

I have no idea about politics, left wing right wing or anything else but when flicking thru the channels there's nearly always some LBGTQ++ABCXYZ people moaning about something somewhere, whether you like it or not, that's a fact.

I'm hearing lots of resentment moaning from intolerant people.

19 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Pack of lies.

no it's not.

15 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I'm hearing lots of resentment moaning from intolerant people.

Are you, that's nice.

 

I'm hearing someone not listening to anything anyone is telling him / her.

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I have. Completely ridiculous and clueless..You seem to be suggesting that LGBT people have full civil rights. In a few countries yes close. In many others going backwards quickly. Again arrogance and now ignorance.

 

4 hours ago, KhunLA said:

I didn't say that either, although they do have all the rights, with exception of legalized marriage in most 1st world countries.   What other rights do they not have ?

 

And with many 'diversity' programs, some would say they get preferential treatment in many areas.  I'm here, so I can't give an opinion, as no first hand experience, but maybe believable with some of the headlines I see.

 

Though I kind of ignore most, on both sides, as never news, just divisive complaining by one side or the other.

 

Do you actually want to have a discussion, or are you just going to continue name calling.

@Jingthing Would you like to answer my question in bold text ?

17 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

 

@Jingthing Would you like to answer my question in bold text ?

Which country?

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Which country?

Which ever country you at at; USA, TH, UK, EU, AU, NZ, CA

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Which ever country you at at; USA, TH, UK, EU, AU, NZ, CA

I'll reference the US and Thailand. 

The trend in Thailand is positive. 

The trend in the US is extremely negative with the rise of maga fascism mirroring anti LGBT Putin fascism.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/22/us/politics/after-roe-republicans-sharpen-attacks-on-gay-and-transgender-rights.html

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/75-anti-lgbtq-bills-become-law-2023-rcna124250

 

From drag bans to sports restrictions, 75 anti-LGBTQ bills have become law in 2023

Restrictions on gender-affirming care for transgender youth were the most common, with 21 such laws passed this year. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Thailand

 

Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people in Thailand have several but not all of the same rights as non-LGBT people.

 

 

To add, global Pride events do indeed have and have always had a political aspect and after the expansion from its origins in the US an international awareness. 

Throughout the world we have a wide range of civil rights situations from excellent to death penalties.

In Russia now just Identifying as LGBT makes you an enemy of the state subject to long prison terms.

It's a good sign if your country is legally allowed to have Pride events. In much of the world they are illegal or are subject to violent attacks by the public and sometimes police.

 

anyone who has paid attention to the OP post history would know he is very far from a bigot or any of the names being flung at him in this thread. 

 

if anything he seems to be one of the most accepting open sexually posters i have come across on here. 

46 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I'll reference the US and Thailand. 

The trend in Thailand is positive. 

The trend in the US is extremely negative with the rise of maga fascism mirroring anti LGBT Putin fascism.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/22/us/politics/after-roe-republicans-sharpen-attacks-on-gay-and-transgender-rights.html

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/75-anti-lgbtq-bills-become-law-2023-rcna124250

 

From drag bans to sports restrictions, 75 anti-LGBTQ bills have become law in 2023

Restrictions on gender-affirming care for transgender youth were the most common, with 21 such laws passed this year. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Thailand

 

Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people in Thailand have several but not all of the same rights as non-LGBT people.

 

 

So most are about marriage, and children receiving medical treatment without parents approval.  Marriage, not fair, but not a big issue, and should count their luck, as no marriage, no hard divorce.  Plenty of civil contracts to protect yourself, aside from marriage.

 

Kid getting treated without parents approval .. I agree 100% with that.   If a male or female think they are the other, let them be the other then, and shouldn't need drugs to become it.  At 18 yrs old, then they can decide for themselves.

 

So alphabet kid have the same rights as cis kids, no medical treatment without parents knowledge and approval.  Not treated differently or oppressed.

 

So all you got is no marriage, in some states, and same in TH.  A lot of noise for nothing.

 

THANKS FOR ANSWERING

31 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

So most are about marriage, and children receiving medical treatment without parents approval.  Marriage, not fair, but not a big issue, and should count their luck, as no marriage, no hard divorce.  Plenty of civil contracts to protect yourself, aside from marriage.

 

Kid getting treated without parents approval .. I agree 100% with that.   If a male or female think they are the other, let them be the other then, and shouldn't need drugs to become it.  At 18 yrs old, then they can decide for themselves.

 

So alphabet kid have the same rights as cis kids, no medical treatment without parents knowledge and approval.  Not treated differently or oppressed.

 

So all you got is no marriage, in some states, and same in TH.  A lot of noise for nothing.

 

THANKS FOR ANSWERING

 

 

Such a sleazy lying posting game you play. You bait people and then you intentionally blatantly distort the information.

 

For one example:

 

In what alternative universe is requiring parental permission the same thing as TOTAL BANS!

 

States are banning gender-affirming care for minors. What does that mean for patients and providers? | AAMC

 

I get it -- you're a right winger on these issues, you have the right to your political POV, but stop lying.

 

Don't bother replying. You are incapable of posting in GOOD FAITH about this. Waste of my time getting baited by you, and waste of the reader's time too. 

36 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

 

 

Such a sleazy lying posting game you play. You bait people and then you intentionally blatantly distort the information.

 

For one example:

 

In what alternative universe is requiring parental permission the same thing as TOTAL BANS!

 

States are banning gender-affirming care for minors. What does that mean for patients and providers? | AAMC

 

I get it -- you're a right winger on these issues, you have the right to your political POV, but stop lying.

 

Don't bother replying. You are incapable of posting in GOOD FAITH about this. Waste of my time getting baited by you, and waste of the reader's time too. 

You are now showing us the real problem... if someone doesn't agree with your perverted lifestyle they are right wing and incapable of posting in good faith and are liars... and by god you are going to shove it down their throats that men can be women because they feel it... BS... they can feel it but will always still be "shemales" not women.

25 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

You are now showing us the real problem... if someone doesn't agree with your perverted lifestyle they are right wing and incapable of posting in good faith and are liars... and by god you are going to shove it down their throats that men can be women because they feel it... BS... they can feel it but will always still be "shemales" not women.

It's not that he didn't agree.

He lied and made up stuff. 

Of course being anti LGBT politically in the west anyway is a very right wing thing.

You can't honestly deny that.

I am not shoving anything down your throat but it's interesting that homophobic bigots are always using such sexual language.

Perverted lifestyle?

LGBT is not a lifestyle, are you visiting from the 1970's, and by calling LGBT perverted at least you are being open and honest about being a total BIGOT.'

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

 

 

Such a sleazy lying posting game you play. You bait people and then you intentionally blatantly distort the information.

 

For one example:

 

In what alternative universe is requiring parental permission the same thing as TOTAL BANS!

 

States are banning gender-affirming care for minors. What does that mean for patients and providers? | AAMC

 

I get it -- you're a right winger on these issues, you have the right to your political POV, but stop lying.

 

Don't bother replying. You are incapable of posting in GOOD FAITH about this. Waste of my time getting baited by you, and waste of the reader's time too. 

Democratic Republic ... people of the state, elect representatives, to be their voice and pass laws.   

 

I think everyone should be able to carry a firearm, open or concealed with no need for a permit.  Are my civil rights being denied ... no.

 

I think woman should be able to go top less, are their civil rights being denied ... no.  

 

The law is the law.   Don't like it, vote differently or move.

 

Apparently the majority want children to make their own decisions about their bodies, when they are mentally mature enough and an adult.   Some things can wait, as they can't be changed.

 

We decide what the kids eat, what school they are in, what vaccines they need, what alcohol & drugs they shouldn't take, when they are mature enough to drive, join the military to kill people.   Own a firearm.

 

Impressionable children don't decide what sex they want to be.  Yea, it sucks if you're a teen, and you really know, i'm not comfortable as my birth sex.  It won't kill you to wait a couple years, and then can do what you want.

 

It would ruin your life if you were a boy, went to the drag queen reading at the library, and thought that was cool,   Look at all the attention it got, I want do that .... I'm a girl now.

 

Next week he might might want to be a fireman or policeman.  Sorry, kids aren't ready to make life changing decisions.    We control every aspect of our kids lives, for a reason.

 

Accept, or move to a state that lets you alter you kids body chemistry.

 

We have laws about, and don't want to give hormones to the food we eat, but it's OK to give them to our children.

 

I didn't like a lot of things about the USA .... i LEFT, and not for financial reasons, and not because I could have sex with other people.  Had plenty of both while there.

 

Neither right nor left, as I think there both F'd up.  No worries though, as I never voted anyway, except on a very local level, for local & district judges.   Always good to have them know you helped them get their job, if you happen to be in front of them.

 

I'm not anti alphabet folks ... but I am pro children protection.

Again, instead of being "annoyed" by Pride Events which nobody is making anyone to participate in, be happy if you live in a country where people have the freedom to have such events.

 

 

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

 

LGBT is not a lifestyle 

Lifestyle.... culture... call it what you want... it does not change the fact that persons born male can become women... they cannot... nor can women born female become men... they cannot.

1 hour ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Lifestyle.... culture... call it what you want... it does not change the fact that persons born male can become women... they cannot... nor can women born female become men... they cannot.

They can be trans women.

 

20 hours ago, Jingthing said:

They can be trans women.

 

No they cannot be women at all... they can be trans males or shemales... but not women in any sense of the true meaning of women... that where the lbgqt have lost their way... they want to be something that they cannot be rather than finding their own identity.

16 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

No they cannot be women at all... they can be trans males or shemales... but not women in any sense of the true meaning of women... that where the lbgqt have lost their way... they want to be something that they cannot be rather than finding their own identity.

You need to learn basic terminology.

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You need to learn basic terminology.

No... I know the definition of "woman" and refuse to let you redefine it in order to fit your narrative... it's on you to come up with your own identity definition without redefining one that has been around since "woman" was created... it's called hijacking.

10 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

No... I know the definition of "woman" and refuse to let you redefine it in order to fit your narrative... it's on you to come up with your own identity definition without redefining one that has been around since "woman" was created... it's called hijacking.

I am not making up any definitions.

Your willful ignorance is obnoxious. 

If you can't use correct terminology you're not even qualified to discuss such matters.

I get that you're extremely hostile. That's too bad.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I am not making up any definitions.

Your willful ignorance is obnoxious. 

If you can't use correct terminology you're notvl qualified to discuss such matters.

 

 

So in your narrow mind anyone not willing to accept your agenda is not qualified... good on you... but you are wrong and it is this very intolerance on your side which hurts you the most when trying to further your point of view... come up with your own terms and descriptions... quit trying to change the ones that are already in place... you will never ever be a "woman".

2 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

So in your narrow mind anyone not willing to accept your agenda is not qualified... good on you... but you are wrong and it is this very intolerance on your side which hurts you the most when trying to further your point of view... come up with your own terms and descriptions... quit trying to change the ones that are already in place... you will never ever be a "woman".

It's not my agenda.

It's definitions of words.

As often said but ignored in the post truth world you can have opinions but you can't  make up your own facts

I get it. Your hostility is incurable.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I am not making up any definitions.

Your willful ignorance is obnoxious. 

If you can't use correct terminology you're not even qualified to discuss such matters.

I get that you're extremely hostile. That's too bad.

 

 

Trans woman is a male, not a women/female, and will never be a female.

 

Woman is someone able to give birth.   Even if they get that little bit extra lopped off, they may look & feel 'more' like a woman, but will never be able to be give birth.

 

And of course, per vid ... oppressed by all.   A bit of a stretch.

The sad part is that younger parents actually believe all this and allow their young sons and daughters to alter their bodies to conform with the fad. It's the kids that suffer.

 

Can you imagine if your parents went along with all the wacky thoughts and wants you had as a kid. 

23 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

The sad part is that younger parents actually believe all this and allow their young sons and daughters to alter their bodies to conform with the fad. It's the kids that suffer.

 

Can you imagine if your parents went along with all the wacky thoughts and wants you had as a kid. 

You're talking about something entirely different than the objectively real definition of trans woman.

47 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Trans woman is a male, not a women/female, and will never be a female.

 

Woman is someone able to give birth.   Even if they get that little bit extra lopped off, they may look & feel 'more' like a woman, but will never be able to be give birth.

 

And of course, per vid ... oppressed by all.   A bit of a stretch.

You continue to parade your willful ignorance. I don't know why except to spew hatred at people different than you. Nobody is saying trans women have a womb and can give birth.

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You're talking about something entirely different than the objectively real definition of trans woman.

Did you start this thread? Where in the title of this thread did it say a thing about definition of trans woman? You may have an opinion but you don't have the right to dictate. We accept some are gay, fine. But beyond that it's all made up.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

You continue to parade your willful ignorance. I don't know why except to spew hatred at people different than you. Nobody is saying trans women have a womb and can give birth.

Not ignorance, it's proper use of the English language.   Woman means one thing and one thing only.   Trans woman shouldn't even be used, as the pronouns, they & them for singular meaning.

 

You're creating new words or categories, just misusing, and are meaningless.  There is no transition going on.   Save that for caterpillars & butterflies, etc.  Use properly English.

 

You are male/man, or female/woman.  Sexual preference for almost all are heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual.  Stop inventing, changing words that have wrong or no meaning.

 

'Binary' .... what are you, a chemical compound or a numerical sequence.

 

It's not 2 trans women having a fight on Phuket, it's 2 dudes or 2 cross dressers.  No women involved.

 

You will now refer to my MG ZS as a 'trans truck' as I might put a trailer hitch on it.  Sounds F'g silly, doesn't it.

 

7 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Not ignorance, it's proper use of the English language.   Woman means one thing and one thing only.   Trans woman shouldn't even be used, as the pronouns, they & them for singular meaning.

 

You're creating new words or categories, just misusing, and are meaningless.  There is no transition going on.   Save that for caterpillars & butterflies, etc.  Use properly English.

 

You are male/man, or female/woman.  Sexual preference for almost all are heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual.  Stop inventing, changing words that have wrong or no meaning.

 

'Binary' .... what are you, a chemical compound or a numerical sequence.

 

It's not 2 trans women having a fight on Phuket, it's 2 dudes or 2 cross dressers.  No women involved.

 

You will now refer to my MG ZS as a 'trans truck' as I might put a trailer hitch on it.  Sounds F'g silly, doesn't it.

 

What a load.

I'm not creating anything.

Stop lying.

Did you ever learn about words?

Yes woman is a word with a definition.

Preface it with the adjective trans, a separate word, and used together that way, has a different meaning.

Grow up!