Trump found guilty of 34 counts of falsifying business records

firemans35 · June 4

3 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

Who was it? Where did you hear it. Otherwise, means nothing

Alan Dershowitz

Roo Island · June 4

18 minutes ago, firemans35 said:

Alan Dershowitz

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/05/11/alan-dershowitz-donald-trump-what-happened-218359/

How a liberal Harvard professor became Trump’s most distinguished defender on TV, freaked out his friends and got the legal world up in arms.

watthong · June 4

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Dang. Every time I pledge not to address the foreigners or TDS gang, something so absolutely blatantly moronic like the above pops up.

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Oh look, one of the head TDS trolls popping up again. The cult dude calling others cultists.

13 hours ago, Yagoda said:

The rest of you can just continue the infantile TDS spittleshouting.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4699371-despite-trumps-conviction-this-election-is-all-about-the-issues/

14 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Party outside the TDS mass insanity and Looney AntiAmerican left are realizing what their contributions have wrought.

https://www.thefp.com/p/theyre-voting-for-trump-to-save-democracy

15 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Translation: Hopefully my frothbabbling TDS sheep cohorts ignore my screw up.

Sure I will, when you show me their party website. Thats rhetorical, once idiocy is fully exposed, one need not go further

On 6/3/2024 at 6:52 PM, Yagoda said:

As I have said previously, you know knothing about US politics

Now go babblefroth your TDS nonsense into the ether.

(and many many more...)

By popular demand, let me elucidate on this TDS trend that the MAGA cult has been trying to foist onto the general zeitgeist since the day 45 got an extension => 45x34:

From reliable independent source, ie not Foxnews, TDS actually stands for Tr-mp D-mp Sh-t, refering to the moment Trump lost it when the verdict was announced that fateful day.

Regardless of the call of its nature, TDS has been picked resoundlngly by the MAGA crowd as their latest "cri de coeur" (or should I say "cri de cul?" - more apt IMHO) in response to what happened to them at the end of Trump trial: ie the master suddenly went limp, and whoosh, as if a dildo has been pulled out too abruptly from behind, leaving each of them with an agonizing and unfillable void...

Danderman123 · June 4

22 minutes ago, firemans35 said:

Alan Dershowitz is whom I was mentioning, and I never said I was a Trump fan. I wasn't actually a big fan of the man, I think he failed at a few things and I wasn't going to vote for him.

"I didn't charge Ms. Clinton with a crime because I thought she was going to be the next president of the United States and my wife and daughter wanted her to be the next president of the United States." James Comey Ex-FBI Director

Fox News guest, "The verdict has handed Trump the election, people that were undecided will vote for Trump"

Now I damned well am going to vote for him. Unfortunately I have only one vote. I'm absolutely positive this farce of a trial has sealed many other votes for the man.

Do you have a link to that Comey quote?

Trump committed crimes and got convicted. It speaks volumes about you that you support a criminal.

firemans35 · June 4

5 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Do you have a link to that Comey quote?

Trump committed crimes and got convicted. It speaks volumes about you that you support a criminal.

I personally heard him say it during an interview while promoting his book. At the time i stated this was election interference. No one listened. a few years later I saw this

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1236006350395802

and since you asked that question I started to do a search for the video, there is loads of stuff but that exact video I don't have the time at the moment to search for. Possible later today.

firemans35 · June 4

29 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/05/11/alan-dershowitz-donald-trump-what-happened-218359/

How a liberal Harvard professor became Trump’s most distinguished defender on TV, freaked out his friends and got the legal world up in arms.

"liberal Harvard professor" He's still an intelligent man when it comes to law but I believe he is known more for constitutional law

Danderman123 · June 4

3 minutes ago, firemans35 said:

I personally heard him say it during an interview while promoting his book. At the time i stated this was election interference. No one listened. a few years later I saw this

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1236006350395802

and since you asked that question I started to do a search for the video, there is loads of stuff but that exact video I don't have the time at the moment to search for. Possible later today.

I suspect you won't be able to find it.

Surprising you could quote such a long passage from memory after seeing it once. Perhaps it came to you in a dream.

Roo Island · June 4

31 minutes ago, firemans35 said:

"liberal Harvard professor" He's still an intelligent man when it comes to law but I believe he is known more for constitutional law

And being paid to be on Faux News

HappyExpat57 · June 4

3 hours ago, Roo Island said:

And being paid to be on Faux News

For the most part, I'm staying out of this nonsense thread any more. Cultists keep throwing Faux Noise as their source and this is a waste of time.

The latest bs - three Faux reps are talking to Don the con shortly after his conviction. During this spew of crap, the convict says "I never said 'Lock her up.'" AND NONE OF THE REPS CHECKED HIM ON THAT! They just looked on, dumb and stupid. They are knowingly ignoring his lies. Liars supporting liars.

All of them guilty.

herfiehandbag · June 4

7 hours ago, frank83628 said:

is it an age thing? you don't believe things can be faked? i expect you believe the moon landing footage too... a lost cause!

Oh dear, just when you thought it surely couldn't get any weirder, more bizarre or deluded, the advance wave of cavalry come over the brow of the hill!

The descent of this thread from a discussion of the facts (Mr Trump has been convicted in a public trial by a properly constituted jury) into a swirling maelstrom of conspiracy theories and frothy mouthed babbling is proving to be such a metaphor for the mess of deceit and extreme media manipulated delusion which which is this Presidential election, and American politics in general.

How can anyone swallow the barefaced lie which was the "I never said lock her up" statement made on TV over the last weekend?

It was both howlingly ludicrous, yet disturbing that it went unchallenged!

Edited June 4 by herfiehandbag

stevenl · June 5

7 hours ago, firemans35 said:

I've been watching a well know American law expert on tv who was following the trial, he said the judge nor the prosecution couldn't define or accurately articulate what crime was committed.

"the judge nor the prosecution couldn't define"

I'm sure he didn't say that. Strange to talk about accurately articulating and then come with a 'quite' like that.

earlinclaifornia · June 5

18 hours ago, candide said:

Is that the landslide you are mentioning? 😆

https://www.racetothewh.com/president/polls

If you scroll on the National you can see all the post felon results for all match ups.

Walker88 · June 5

14 hours ago, G_Money said:

Ah, OK!

I see it a little differently.

While you are correct that Biden has not been convicted, I refer to him as the unconvicted Felon.

He just hasn’t been caught. The Democrats are masters at cover ups and protecting their own. Admittedly, better than the Republicans.

I have two questions been wanting to ask and yes they are off topic so answering is your choice.

1. Cocaine in the White House.

In this day and age of security why is it still a mystery?

2. Did the CIA kill Kennedy?

Real questions. Not trying to bait you.

Hope springs eternal, eh?

"An un-convicted felon is just someone who hasn't been caught"

Actually, in the United States, we don't call those who committed no crime nor is there any evidence that they did "un-convicted". We call them called "innocent", or just 'decent people'. It's the polar opposite of the now convicted felon, who has been judged by a jury of his peers, based on evidence, guilty. He is "convicted". 34 felonies. Likely many more to come when he has to answer for stealing all those documents, trying to subvert democracy, etc. I can admit the hush money fraud is the least of his crimes, but remember tax evasion was the least of Al Capone's crimes. I wonder if the convicted felon will pass in jail from the same disease that claimed Capone (paresis)? I remember the felon claiming his "Vietnam" was STDs. Personally, I like my ex-President felons to have worn protection in their "wartime escapades".

As for your questions:

If there was cocaine in the WH, that narrows the possible perps down to a few thousand people, including everyone from staffers to the char force to media people. It could even be from the previous Administration. It hardly implicates the current President. Certainly there were plenty of articles about how the former WH doctor (Jackson) handed out drugs like Halloween candy, though apparently that was for pharmaceuticals like adderall, valium, lithium, etc.

As part of his pre-sentencing procedure, the convicted felon must take a supervised urine test in front of his probation officer, so we'll see what keeps his boat afloat, besides Adderall and Ozempic and Finasteride.

As for your second question. it was me. I traveled back in time. I wore the special agency S&T invisibility cloak and was on the grassy knoll. Since I'm coming clean, I also resurrected Hugo Chavez in 2020, knowing how good his coding skills were, and had him go at that Italian satellite that altered Dominion voting machines. I've no idea how the felon's lawyer Sidney Powell found out. Oh, and the Mt St Helens eruption? Me, again. For Building 7 on 9-11, I couldn't do that alone, so I got help from Christopher Wren, who was expert in both architecture and physics. We resurrect as need be. I've used Genghis Khan, Tamerlane and Attila the Hun on a few occasions. Top shelf guys.

Edited June 5 by Walker88

frank83628 · June 5

i told you it was on snopes. i posted the link already in this thread, when w88 made the 187 minute claim

herfiehandbag · June 5

32 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

As part of his pre-sentencing procedure, the convicted felon must take a supervised urine test in front of his probation officer, so we'll see what keeps his boat afloat, besides Adderall and Ozempic and Finasteride.

Does a diet of cheeseburgers, fries and diet coke show up on urine tests?

The man is a germophobe we are told ( maybe that is why he likes to keep "his hands clean") and doesn't drink - always a bad sign!

Wrwest · June 5

On 5/31/2024 at 10:32 AM, Moncul said:

As an outsider, it is shocking just much your politicians are in thrall to corporate donors.

No wonder they're so tone deaf to the public's wishes most of the time.

A very strong case can be made that money has totally corrupted the American institutional ideals. Starting with the need for money to get elected ... then the donating to you campaign CEO comes to you or sends word that a piece of prosed legislation will hurt his business. Justice system ... those who can afford the high priced attorneys versus getting the appointed Public Defender for the same charges ... equal justice (never mind penalties heavier for minorities = say various drug use). Educational system ... same potential mental capability but different finaancial resources. The income/wealth gap overall. Medical access ... financial resources get far different health outcomes in the country with the highest medical cost (including pharmaceuticals) in the world ... and so it goes ... Each needing to be addressed, each being ignored in varying degree by both major political parties. Thus Trump's appeal ... giving voice to the justified frustration/anger within the working middle class. Each can be addressed, lessening the affect but ... I seriously fear the loss of my country as a result of the power holders/wealthy bringing us to this point in history (ultimately, each American citizen of voting age is responsible for allowing this evolvement).

Yagoda · June 5

10 hours ago, firemans35 said:

Alan Dershowitz

A noted constitutional scholar, love how folks who know nothing about the US constitution damn him.

When you are discussing Trump with your more rational American friends instead of a yammering group of spittlespewing foreigners and Trumpo-phobics, here is one that I think lays out the apellate case quite nicely.

https://americanmind.org/salvo/reversible-errors/

TroubleandGrumpy · June 5

On 6/3/2024 at 11:04 AM, Yagoda said:

Dont confuse the term liberal with todays Democratic Left.

Liberals classicly were freedom lovers, followers of Locke and Jefferson, personal freedom and responsibility.

Todays modern left/ Democrats are Leninists. Essentially, the Klan without Hoods and Nazis without Swastikas. They dont miss points, they ignore them. They treat blacks as subhumans, women as non existent, free speech as a threat, Jews as the enemy, America as the greatest evil in the world, political opponents as cult members or deplorables or uneducated mouth breathing rednecks. They weaponize government against their enemies. They make allies and discard them as circumstances require which is why their movement is replete with contradiction. Queers for Palestine, Jews for Hamas., BLM., White Supremecists, Feminists for Trannies in Female Sports. For example they will claim the other side are white supremicists because some fringe loon supports a republican candidate all the while while funding and cheering on anti semtic demonstrations. Or my fav, claiming they are patriots while proudly flaunting what they call hate speech in others as they work to undermine their own country. Remmeber, that flag flying for years in front of a California government building is hate speech only if it flies in front of a Supreme Court justices beach house. Thats they way Progressives roll, because they are "Progressive", all things to reach their desired outcome are morally correct. As Lenin said:

"We reject any morality based on extra-human and extra-class concepts. We say that this is deception, dupery, stultification of the workers and peasants in the interests of the landowners and capitalists.We say that our morality is entirely subordinated to the interests of the proletariat's class struggle. Our morality stems from the interests of the class struggle of the proletariat."

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/oct/02.htm

Well said mate - as good an example of what the modern 'left' are in US and all over the western world. Driven by self-serving anti-establishment BS that was impregnated in them through left wing teaching that attacks society's moral values. So many of the left wing are full of conflicting and confused emotional stupidity. I recently saw an avid TDS sufferer being interviewed - and when she was asked to detail one thing that Trump did that was bad, she had nothing - other than he said bad things (as reported by CNN). I was told a long time ago that the biggest threat to the western world was that we were over-educating our idiots. Time has clearly shown that doing that has not been a good thing to over-educate the idiots and make them think they are equal/better than those not so educated - and that equality of outcomes was a desirable or achievable aim for society.

Yagoda · June 5

9 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Well said mate - as good an example of what the modern 'left' are in US and all over the western world. Driven by self-serving anti-establishment BS that was impregnated in them through left wing teaching that attacks society's moral values. So many of the left wing are full of conflicting and confused emotional stupidity. I recently saw an avid TDS sufferer being interviewed - and when she was asked to detail one thing that Trump did that was bad, she had nothing - other than he said bad things (as reported by CNN). I was told a long time ago that the biggest threat to the western world was that we were over-educating our idiots. Time has clearly shown that doing that has not been a good thing to over-educate the idiots and make them think they are equal/better than those not so educated - and that equality of outcomes was a desirable or achievable aim for society.

Yep, as William Buckley once said:

“I am obliged to confess I should sooner live in a society governed by the first two thousand names in the Boston telephone directory than in a society governed by the two thousand faculty members of Harvard University.”

Walker88 · June 5

12 hours ago, frank83628 said:

said 'privately'..... so no video evidence of that exchange whatsoever?... however watch the video in your link, the whole 6.40 minutes (6 minutes more than biden can do).. go on, i dare you!! it dispels your accusations...when will you wake up to the fact you are being lied to daily by the lying msm and their edited articles and clips...is it an age thing? you don't believe things can be faked? i expect you believe the moon landing footage too... a lost cause!

Oh my!

Just oh my!

Hillary called the felon's followers Deplorables. She was too kind.

G_Money · June 5

3 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Hope springs eternal, eh?

"An un-convicted felon is just someone who hasn't been caught"

Actually, in the United States, we don't call those who committed no crime nor is there any evidence that they did "un-convicted". We call them called "innocent", or just 'decent people'. It's the polar opposite of the now convicted felon, who has been judged by a jury of his peers, based on evidence, guilty. He is "convicted". 34 felonies. Likely many more to come when he has to answer for stealing all those documents, trying to subvert democracy, etc. I can admit the hush money fraud is the least of his crimes, but remember tax evasion was the least of Al Capone's crimes. I wonder if the convicted felon will pass in jail from the same disease that claimed Capone (paresis)? I remember the felon claiming his "Vietnam" was STDs. Personally, I like my ex-President felons to have worn protection in their "wartime escapades".

As for your questions:

If there was cocaine in the WH, that narrows the possible perps down to a few thousand people, including everyone from staffers to the char force to media people. It could even be from the previous Administration. It hardly implicates the current President. Certainly there were plenty of articles about how the former WH doctor (Jackson) handed out drugs like Halloween candy, though apparently that was for pharmaceuticals like adderall, valium, lithium, etc.

As part of his pre-sentencing procedure, the convicted felon must take a supervised urine test in front of his probation officer, so we'll see what keeps his boat afloat, besides Adderall and Ozempic and Finasteride.

As for your second question. it was me. I traveled back in time. I wore the special agency S&T invisibility cloak and was on the grassy knoll. Since I'm coming clean, I also resurrected Hugo Chavez in 2020, knowing how good his coding skills were, and had him go at that Italian satellite that altered Dominion voting machines. I've no idea how the felon's lawyer Sidney Powell found out. Oh, and the Mt St Helens eruption? Me, again. For Building 7 on 9-11, I couldn't do that alone, so I got help from Christopher Wren, who was expert in both architecture and physics. We resurrect as need be. I've used Genghis Khan, Tamerlane and Attila the Hun on a few occasions. Top shelf guys.

A quick analysis of your reply indicates you can’t answer either question.

To be honest a simple three words, “I don’t know “ could of saved your fingers a little work.

frank83628 · June 5

12 hours ago, Roo Island said:

And his son proudly served and he never called veterans losers. Stunning you support a man like that.

Reported by John Kelly. An exceptional military man

so what? i don't have any issues with anyone skipping out of going to fight a war for politicians that themselves start, yet do not fight in!.

how about make it compulsory that every politician that votes for war, has to send their children over 18 off to the front line first!

frank83628 · June 5

47 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Oh my!

Just oh my!

Hillary called the felon's followers Deplorables. She was too kind.

yes, avoid the links that show Donnie didn't wait 187 minutes as you repeatedly claim ? why not just say 3 hours? is it because 187 gives a more dramatic effect?

Yellowtail · June 5

Guity of made-up crime.

G_Money · June 5

The Biden family.

How does that saying go? The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-bidens-wife-lashes-former-trump-aide-during-court-appearance

Roo Island · June 5

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

so what? i don't have any issues with anyone skipping out of going to fight a war for politicians that themselves start, yet do not fight in!.

how about make it compulsory that every politician that votes for war, has to send their children over 18 off to the front line first!

But you are ok with a sitting president calling those who served with honor, getting injured or killed, losers? Wow. Shows what's wrong with America

Roo Island · June 5

8 minutes ago, G_Money said:

The Biden family.

How does that saying go? The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-bidens-wife-lashes-former-trump-aide-during-court-appearance

Yup. Look at Trump's sons. Criminals like his father.

Roo Island · June 5

22 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Guity of made-up crime.

It wasn't made up. Falsifying accounting records is a crime. Sad some are ok with that

Roo Island · June 5

7 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

For the most part, I'm staying out of this nonsense thread any more. Cultists keep throwing Faux Noise as their source and this is a waste of time.

The latest bs - three Faux reps are talking to Don the con shortly after his conviction. During this spew of crap, the convict says "I never said 'Lock her up.'" AND NONE OF THE REPS CHECKED HIM ON THAT! They just looked on, dumb and stupid. They are knowingly ignoring his lies. Liars supporting liars.

All of them guilty.

Yeah. The dodgy right wing media has a huge responsibility for misinformation being spread. Too bad maga cult members are too lazy, or afraid, to fact check

G_Money · June 5

2 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

It wasn't made up. Falsifying accounting records is a crime. Sad some are ok with that

Even sadder is a Kangaroo Court conviction.

Not to worry. Appeal proceedings by a real court will overturn.

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