Trump Hints at Potential Prosecution of Political Opponents if Re-Elected

[charleskerins]

1 hour ago, thaipo7 said:

Tug - What would you do if you were treated like Trump for 8 years now.  Not many people could take what Trump has taking since Sept 2016.  I know your Dear Leader could not.

He should have already been executed   then his troubles would be over .Poor whining fellow  secret service protection ,taxpayer funded rallies ,stealing classified documents ,inciting an insurrection  poor boy .     Dear Leader ?Putin  wrong number comrade

[charleskerins]

4 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

trump is filth. 

 

next. 

ok   Steve Bannon 

[stoner]

1 minute ago, Tug said:

No hunter biden is a recovering addict I wish him continued success in his sobriety 

 

he's a criminal and an addict. you forgot that other detail. knowingly lying on a gun permit application is quite serious if you ask me. 

 

he is up on 3 counts which can lead to him spending up to 25 years in jail. hardly a success story.

 

[stoner]

5 minutes ago, charleskerins said:

ok   Steve Bannon 

 

so you are called out and resort to personal insults....typical. 

[charleskerins]

Just now, stoner said:

 

so you are called out and resort to personal insults....typical. 

Jesus Christ         "ok"   I agreed with you

                              "next"   Steve Bannon

 

I didn't get called out and I didn't personally insult you.

 

 

 

 

[stoner]

1 minute ago, charleskerins said:

Jesus Christ         "ok"   I agreed with you

                              "next"   Steve Bannon

 

I didn't get called out and I didn't personally insult you.

 

 

 

 

 

my mistake then. the next part was for you though. i wasn't asking for another name. 

[simple1]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Having opened the door to prosecuting a former president, the Dems can hardly complain if Biden is investigated and prosecuted if crimes are found.

Perhaps they thought that only they could do so.

 

trump is being vindictive. Makes allegations without any evidence whatsoever. trump never owns up to his crimes, uses millions of dollars of others money for endless appeals and delays. Normally looses or settles out of Court. I would bet, if the Courts could find the will, they would also find him guilty of assisting money laundering for numerous overseas criminals who buy his properties at exorbitant prices and so on. trump has previously been found to have associated with mafia by the AFP which resulting him being declined a casino licence in Australia. In short, trump and his family are criminals who hopefully run out of luck. As an indicator it's amazing how many of the people who are in trump's orbit are convicted of criminal offences.

[ThailandRyan]

2 hours ago, Tug said:

That’s nothing new from trump he’s been threatening that for some time……what frightens me is the rest of the spineless republicans to terrified to call him on it!

So much for a party who claims they are a Law and order party.  Starting to sound like Trump is trying to use the "Don't you know who I am" tactic...

[Tug]

5 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

he's a criminal and an addict. you forgot that other detail. knowingly lying on a gun permit application is quite serious if you ask me. 

 

he is up on 3 counts which can lead to him spending up to 25 years in jail. hardly a success story.

 

Ask the DOJ how often people are prosecuted for that particular infraction ehh?furthermore no body’s asking you anything but you are entitled to your opinion personally I disagree it’s making a mountain out of a molehill pure revenge theater 

[charleskerins]

8 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

my mistake then. the next part was for you though. i wasn't asking for another name. 

all good

[charleskerins]

6 minutes ago, Tug said:

Ask the DOJ how often people are prosecuted for that particular infraction ehh?furthermore no body’s asking you anything but you are entitled to your opinion personally I disagree it’s making a mountain out of a molehill pure revenge theater 

Considering there was a plea deal and now there's not.

[stoner]

7 minutes ago, Tug said:

Ask the DOJ how often people are prosecuted for that particular infraction ehh?furthermore no body’s asking you anything but you are entitled to your opinion personally I disagree it’s making a mountain out of a molehill pure revenge theater 

 

do you know how often people are prosecuted for that ? or are you just assuming. kind of like the trump hush money thing right ? how often is that made into a felony case ? 

 

it works both ways.

[herfiehandbag]

1 hour ago, Woof999 said:

 

Perhaps stop breaking the law?

Hard to break the habits of a lifetime.

[jerrymahoney]

2 hours ago, pomchop said:

ot of evidence of a crime...so this EVIDENCE was presented to a grand jury of regular people to review...after reviewing the EVIDENCE they said yes it was strong enough to indict.

 

Then a jury of regular people sit and look and listen to the EVIDENCE and lsiten to all the lawyers try anc convince them what they should believe and they then decide whether the EVIDENCE is sufficient beyond a reasonable dout for ALL 12 jurors to agree to convict.  It is hard to get 12 people to agree on anything so when 12 look at evidence and all 12 say yes he did it you can be pretty sure that yes he did it.

 

Elie Honig, a former colleague of Bragg’s, called the case an “ill-conceived, unjustified mess,” lamenting the “unprecedented” and “obscure” nature of the “inventive” and “inflated” charges in a Friday piece for New York Magazine. He criticized the judge’s $35 donation to a pro-Biden operation as a “plain violation” of a New York rule for judges.

 

“The charges against Trump are obscure, and nearly entirely unprecedented. In fact, no state prosecutor — in New York, or Wyoming, or anywhere — has ever charged federal election laws as a direct or predicate state crime, against anyone, for anything. None. Ever. Even putting aside the specifics of election law, the Manhattan DA itself almost never brings any case in which falsification of business records is the only charge,” Honig wrote.

 

“This will be eventually overruled after the election. But what if there’s a close election? And Biden squeaks through, and then the case is overruled? Half the country is gonna feel this was a stolen election and again, this is a grave injustice and disservice to the country,” Barr continued.

 

https://dailycaller.com/2024/06/05/bill-barr-alvin-bragg-verdict-2024-election-donald-trump/

[herfiehandbag]

17 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

The charges against Trump are obscure, and nearly entirely unprecedented. In fact, no state prosecutor — in New York, or Wyoming, or anywhere — has ever charged federal election laws as a direct or predicate state crime, against anyone, for anything. None. Ever. Even putting aside the specifics of election law, the Manhattan DA itself almost never brings any case in which falsification of business records is the only charge,” Honig wrote.

Perhaps no presidential candidate has screwed a porn star (and I am sure it was for money - I doubt Ms Daniels did it out of unbridled list for his body), paid her off using political campaign funds ( money donated for political purposes) and then gone to the extraordinary lengths which Mr Trump and his cabal went to to conceal. Ever. Anywhere. In New York or Wyoming.

 

Whilst I understand your aim is to be seen as an "honest broker" in the commentary on Mr Trumps legal imbroglios, lately perhaps "your slip has been showing"?

 

An honourable mention for laying the ground work for a possible "we were robbed" scenario?

Edited June 6 by herfiehandbag

[WDSmart]

1 hour ago, charleskerins said:

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

I am bracing myself for what will happen after the November elections. Neither side will accept defeat, and I fear no matter who wins, there will be blood in the streets. ... 

"neither side will accept defeat is total BS"  

Yes, that quote is "total 'BS'." My name is "Bill Smart," so my initials are indeed "BS." 

But seriously, @charleskerins, do you think if Trump wins, the Democrats will believe his election was legitimate with all the gerrymandering in some states and changes they have made to voter registration requirements, voting restrictions on mail-ins, and early voting? I believe if Trump wins there will be a lot of serious doubts as to the legitimacy of the election and legal challenges.

And if Trump loses, his supporters won't take that for an instance, and there will be chaos for sure.

Again, my belief is that there will be "blood in the streets,"  which also could be abbreviated as "BS." 

[Eric Loh]

Always knew Trump is a fascist. 

[Walker88]

This has to hurt the felon's delicate sensibilities....

 

His own hometown newspaper, The Palm Beach Post, ran an editorial saying a convicted felon has no business being President. The felon should drop out.

 

No Sally Field's moment for him; it's the opposite: "There don't like me! They really don't like me."

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-stung-in-hometown-newspaper-shouldn-t-have-a-felon-leader/ar-BB1nHM0N?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=7c9fa9c6572e4aaf9e14957e0141fcef&ei=22

 

I've noticed what I assume is a Fox talking point, where posters talk about 'how well' the felon has held up, and how if Biden committed all the same crimes and was charged, Biden wouldn't hold up as well.

 

First, Biden didn't commit all of the felon's crimes, nor has he been indicted awaiting trial for the ones not yet proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

Second, the felon looks like death warmed over. He could probably sell ad space to Louis Vuitton for those bulging bags under his eyes, his skin is sallow, his posture worsened, and he can't quite get that flap of scalp and hair to ride the same way it used to on his head. If that is 'holding up well', the mummified Ramses II is the picture of robust health.

Edited June 6 by Walker88

[newbee2022]

6 hours ago, Social Media said:

 

Former President Donald Trump has suggested that his political adversaries might face prosecution if he secures another term in office. This assertion comes on the heels of his recent conviction for falsifying business records, marking the first time in U.S. history that a former president has been criminally convicted.

 

In an interview with conservative news outlet Newsmax, Trump conveyed his displeasure with his legal predicament and implied a possible retaliatory approach if he returns to power. "It's a terrible precedent for our country. Does that mean the next president does it to them? That's really the question," Trump remarked. He added, "So, you know, it's a terrible, terrible path that they're leading us to, and it's very possible that it's going to have to happen to them."

 

Trump was found guilty last week in a New York trial of falsifying business records to commit election fraud. The case revolved around a $130,000 payment to adult film star Stormy Daniels, which was allegedly part of a "hush money" scheme to suppress damaging stories during his 2016 presidential campaign. The jury unanimously convicted Trump on all 34 counts he faced, although he has claimed without evidence that the proceedings were rigged against him.

 

Throughout his campaign, Trump has repeatedly suggested prosecuting President Joe Biden and other political foes. In June, after being arraigned on charges related to his handling of classified documents, Trump stated, "I will appoint a real special prosecutor to go after the most corrupt president in the history of America, Joe Biden, and go after the Biden crime family." This rhetoric indicates a potentially unprecedented use of presidential power to target political opponents, which could deepen the political divide in the country. The recent guilty verdict adds complexity to the upcoming election, with Trump and Biden closely contesting the race for the White House.

 

Following his conviction in New York, Trump faces a maximum sentence of four years in prison. However, individuals convicted of similar offenses often receive shorter sentences, fines, or probation. Trump has indicated he will appeal the verdict. In addition to this case, Trump is embroiled in three other criminal investigations. He faces charges related to the January 6th, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol and allegations that he illegally retained classified documents after leaving the White House. In Georgia, he is accused of criminally conspiring to overturn his narrow defeat in the state during the 2020 election. These cases do not yet have trial dates set, making it improbable they will conclude before the November election.

 

Trump is also dealing with two significant civil cases. In May 2023, a civil jury in New York ruled that Trump sexually assaulted writer E. Jean Carroll and defamed her. He was ordered to pay $5 million initially and a further $83.3 million. In February, a New York judge fined Trump $354.9 million for inflating his wealth to secure favorable bank loan terms.

 

Trump's statements and legal predicaments present a novel and fraught situation for American politics. His promise to pursue legal action against political opponents if re-elected raises concerns about the future of political norms and the impartiality of the judicial system. As the 2024 election approaches, these issues will likely play a significant role in shaping voter perceptions and the overall political landscape. Whether Trump's legal challenges will hinder or bolster his campaign remains to be seen, but they undoubtedly add a layer of complexity to an already contentious election season.

 

Credit: Sky News 2024-06-06

 

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There are uncountable reasons not to vote for him but jail and gag him, just for the sake of America 👍

[Tug]

2 hours ago, stoner said:

 

do you know how often people are prosecuted for that ? or are you just assuming. kind of like the trump hush money thing right ? how often is that made into a felony case ? 

 

it works both ways.

So let’s see you are comparing checking a box on a form to buy a handgun to a deliberate conspiracy to withhold information during the 2016 presidential campaign ……ok well I certainly feel one is by far more serious than the other…..but put that aside for a moment in the Biden case the sitting president is not leaning on the DOJ nor commenting on the case other than supporting his son as a decent father would.Now as for trump the CONVICTED FELON twice impeached disgraced ex president is threatening dire retribution if he somehow gets re elected…..works both ways ehh yea rite…..

[neeray]

3 hours ago, thaipo7 said:

Tug - What would you do if you were treated like Trump for 8 years now.  Not many people could take what Trump has taking since Sept 2016.  I know your Dear Leader could not.

Whatever treatment Trump has received, he brought it all on himself. 

[charleskerins]

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

Yes, that quote is "total 'BS'." My name is "Bill Smart," so my initials are indeed "BS." 

But seriously, @charleskerins, do you think if Trump wins, the Democrats will believe his election was legitimate with all the gerrymandering in some states and changes they have made to voter registration requirements, voting restrictions on mail-ins, and early voting? I believe if Trump wins there will be a lot of serious doubts as to the legitimacy of the election and legal challenges.

And if Trump loses, his supporters won't take that for an instance, and there will be chaos for sure.

Again, my belief is that there will be "blood in the streets,"  which also could be abbreviated as "BS." 

1- no but they will accept it.

2-  no  and there may be some blood in the streets

PS -the R's are coming after Social Security.

[charleskerins]

37 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

This has to hurt the felon's delicate sensibilities....

 

His own hometown newspaper, The Palm Beach Post, ran an editorial saying a convicted felon has no business being President. The felon should drop out.

 

No Sally Field's moment for him; it's the opposite: "There don't like me! They really don't like me."

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-stung-in-hometown-newspaper-shouldn-t-have-a-felon-leader/ar-BB1nHM0N?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=7c9fa9c6572e4aaf9e14957e0141fcef&ei=22

 

I've noticed what I assume is a Fox talking point, where posters talk about 'how well' the felon has held up, and how if Biden committed all the same crimes and was charged, Biden wouldn't hold up as well.

 

First, Biden didn't commit all of the felon's crimes, nor has he been indicted awaiting trial for the ones not yet proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

Second, the felon looks like death warmed over. He could probably sell ad space to Louis Vuitton for those bulging bags under his eyes, his skin is sallow, his posture worsened, and he can't quite get that flap of scalp and hair to ride the same way it used to on his head. If that is 'holding up well', the mummified Ramses II is the picture of robust health.

New talking point   " treasonous POS is holding up well."       

[WDSmart]

25 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

There are uncountable reasons not to vote for him but jail and gag him, just for the sake of America 👍

I'm for waterboarding him every day for eight hours for a week, not asking him any questions, just waterboarding him. 

[newbee2022]

Just now, WDSmart said:

I'm for waterboarding him every day for eight hours for a week, not asking him any questions, just waterboarding him. 

Go for it, I'll back you😍

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

Elie Honig, a former colleague of Bragg’s, called the case an “ill-conceived, unjustified mess,” lamenting the “unprecedented” and “obscure” nature of the “inventive” and “inflated” charges in a Friday piece for New York Magazine. He criticized the judge’s $35 donation to a pro-Biden operation as a “plain violation” of a New York rule for judges.

 

“The charges against Trump are obscure, and nearly entirely unprecedented. In fact, no state prosecutor — in New York, or Wyoming, or anywhere — has ever charged federal election laws as a direct or predicate state crime, against anyone, for anything. None. Ever. Even putting aside the specifics of election law, the Manhattan DA itself almost never brings any case in which falsification of business records is the only charge,” Honig wrote.

 

“This will be eventually overruled after the election. But what if there’s a close election? And Biden squeaks through, and then the case is overruled? Half the country is gonna feel this was a stolen election and again, this is a grave injustice and disservice to the country,” Barr continued.

 

https://dailycaller.com/2024/06/05/bill-barr-alvin-bragg-verdict-2024-election-donald-trump/

Is this the same William Barr who was castigated by a federal judge for misrepresenting the conclusions of the Mueller report? 

Is it the same William Barr who who publicly questioned the results of the report from the Inspector General of the Justice Dept. that there was no conspiracy to investigate Trump? And who strongly backed a special prosecutor who spectacularly failed to prove otherwise?

Or is it a different William Barr?

[neeray]

Just now, placeholder said:

Is this the same William Barr who was castigated by a federal judge for misrepresenting the conclusions of the Mueller report? 

Is it the same William Barr who who publicly questioned the results of the report from the Inspector General of the Justice Dept. that there was no conspiracy to investigate Trump? And who strongly backed a special prosecutor who spectacularly failed to prove otherwise?

Or is it a different William Barr?

It's the same William Barr who months ago was disparaging Trump. Now, that same William Barr said recently that he will vote for him. What is Barr looking for? Oh yes, he has pending charges too.

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, neeray said:

It's the same William Barr who months ago was disparaging Trump. Now, that same William Barr said recently that he will vote for him. What is Barr looking for? Oh yes, he has pending charges too.

I don't think Barr has any charges pending against him. At least, I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere.

[jerrymahoney]

43 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Or is it a different William Barr?

No. There are 2 William Barrs. BTW I remember your saying the same for Judge Mukasey who said he did not expect any of Trump's 4 criminal trials would take p;lace before the election.

 

Whatever his opinion, my concern with all this is that declaring Trump as a felon -- deservedly or not -- will help him win the election come NOV 2024. And I would prefer him not be for the next 4 years.

Edited June 6 by jerrymahoney

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

trump is being vindictive. Makes allegations without any evidence whatsoever. trump never owns up to his crimes, uses millions of dollars of others money for endless appeals and delays. Normally looses or settles out of Court. I would bet, if the Courts could find the will, they would also find him guilty of assisting money laundering for numerous overseas criminals who buy his properties at exorbitant prices and so on. trump has previously been found to have associated with mafia by the AFP which resulting him being declined a casino licence in Australia. In short, trump and his family are criminals who hopefully run out of luck. As an indicator it's amazing how many of the people who are in trump's orbit are convicted of criminal offences.

If we are going to talk about potential criminal politicians in the US, there are plenty to pick from in congress. Let's start with those that became unusually rich, despite loitering in Washington for decades.