Popular Post Red Phoenix Posted June 13 Popular Post Posted June 13 Sanity slowly returning... = = = by WorldTribune Staff / 247 Real News June 12, 2024 Biological male Lia Thomas’s hopes of competing in the 2024 Paris Olympics in women’s swimming were dashed on Wednesday when Thomas lost a legal case filed against World Aquatics (WA) at the Court of Arbitration for Sport. Lia Thomas The 25-year-old Thomas also remains barred from swimming in the female category after failing to overturn rules introduced by swimming’s governing body in the summer of 2022 which prohibit anyone who has undergone “any part of male puberty” from competing in the female category. Thomas had argued the rules should be declared “invalid and unlawful” as they were contrary to the Olympic charter and the World Aquatics constitution. In a 24-page decision, the court of arbitration concluded that Thomas was “simply not entitled to engage with eligibility to compete in WA competitions” as someone who was no longer a member of U.S. Swimming. World Aquatics introduced its new rules after Thomas beat Olympic silver medalist Emma Weyant by 1.75 seconds to win the women’s 500-yard freestyle title at the 2022 NCAA championships. In a scientific document that informed its decision, WA said swimmers such as Thomas retained significant physical advantages – in endurance, power, speed, strength and lung size – from undergoing male puberty, even after reducing their testosterone levels through medication. The court of arbitration ruled that Thomas had no standing to sue WA’s transgender policy, with a key paragraph stating: “The panel concludes that since the Athlete is not entitled to participate in ‘Elite Event’ within the meaning of USA Swimming Policy, let alone to compete in a WA competition, which occurs upon registration with WA prior to a competition or upon setting a performance which leads to a request for registration as WA world record, she is simply not entitled to engage with eligibility to compete in WA competitions. “The policy and the operational requirements are simply not triggered by her current status.” World Aquatics hailed the decision as “a major step forward in our efforts to protect women’s sport.” “World Aquatics is dedicated to fostering an environment that promotes fairness, respect, and equal opportunities for athletes of all genders and we reaffirm this pledge,” it added. = = = 2 1 6 11 4 3
Popular Post Old Croc Posted June 13 Popular Post Posted June 13 10 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said: World Aquatics is dedicated to fostering an environment that promotes fairness, respect, and equal opportunities for athletes of all genders and we reaffirm this pledge,” it added. Both genders. 3 6 1 5
Popular Post novacova Posted June 13 Popular Post Posted June 13 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said: The 25-year-old Thomas also remains barred from swimming in the female category after failing to overturn rules introduced by swimming’s governing body in the summer of 2022 which prohibit anyone who has undergone “any part of male puberty” from competing in the female category. Thomas had argued the rules should be declared “invalid and unlawful” as they were contrary to the Olympic charter and the World Aquatics constitution. Only a complete cowardly male, chopped or not, would compete against women in athletics. Edited June 13 by novacova 3 1 2 1 19
Popular Post JBChiangRai Posted June 13 Popular Post Posted June 13 Any trans male to female has a marked sporting advantage over CIS women sportspersons. I'm glad to see World Aquatics seeing sense. 1 1 5
Popular Post G_Money Posted June 13 Popular Post Posted June 13 The Queens should be posting soon. Stand by for heavy rolls. 1 3 4
Popular Post Presnock Posted June 13 Popular Post Posted June 13 17 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said: Sanity slowly returning... = = = by WorldTribune Staff / 247 Real News June 12, 2024 Biological male Lia Thomas’s hopes of competing in the 2024 Paris Olympics in women’s swimming were dashed on Wednesday when Thomas lost a legal case filed against World Aquatics (WA) at the Court of Arbitration for Sport. Lia Thomas The 25-year-old Thomas also remains barred from swimming in the female category after failing to overturn rules introduced by swimming’s governing body in the summer of 2022 which prohibit anyone who has undergone “any part of male puberty” from competing in the female category. Thomas had argued the rules should be declared “invalid and unlawful” as they were contrary to the Olympic charter and the World Aquatics constitution. In a 24-page decision, the court of arbitration concluded that Thomas was “simply not entitled to engage with eligibility to compete in WA competitions” as someone who was no longer a member of U.S. Swimming. World Aquatics introduced its new rules after Thomas beat Olympic silver medalist Emma Weyant by 1.75 seconds to win the women’s 500-yard freestyle title at the 2022 NCAA championships. In a scientific document that informed its decision, WA said swimmers such as Thomas retained significant physical advantages – in endurance, power, speed, strength and lung size – from undergoing male puberty, even after reducing their testosterone levels through medication. The court of arbitration ruled that Thomas had no standing to sue WA’s transgender policy, with a key paragraph stating: “The panel concludes that since the Athlete is not entitled to participate in ‘Elite Event’ within the meaning of USA Swimming Policy, let alone to compete in a WA competition, which occurs upon registration with WA prior to a competition or upon setting a performance which leads to a request for registration as WA world record, she is simply not entitled to engage with eligibility to compete in WA competitions. “The policy and the operational requirements are simply not triggered by her current status.” World Aquatics hailed the decision as “a major step forward in our efforts to protect women’s sport.” “World Aquatics is dedicated to fostering an environment that promotes fairness, respect, and equal opportunities for athletes of all genders and we reaffirm this pledge,” it added. = = = I would think that any reasonable court would rule against transgender men who think they are women in any competition against women where "natural" strength just gives them an unfair advantage, let alone the sharing of dressing rooms where the transgender still has male genitalia and the shock from many females having to share their intimacy with these transgenders. I do not hate transgenders, but I also do not understand that feeling. My last biology class was over 60 years ago so maybe biologists have added transgender when talking about male/female sex at birth. My opinion will not change during my lifetime for sure. 1 3
Popular Post Old Croc Posted June 13 Popular Post Posted June 13 (edited) 8 minutes ago, novacova said: Only a complete cowardly male, chopped or not, would compete against women in athletics. Apparently he's not chopped and likes to walk around naked in the women's changerooms. Would do anything for an Olympic medal. Probably ranked nowhere in men's swimming. Edited June 13 by Old Croc 3 1 1 1 7
Popular Post Presnock Posted June 13 Popular Post Posted June 13 29 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said: Sanity slowly returning... = = = by WorldTribune Staff / 247 Real News June 12, 2024 Biological male Lia Thomas’s hopes of competing in the 2024 Paris Olympics in women’s swimming were dashed on Wednesday when Thomas lost a legal case filed against World Aquatics (WA) at the Court of Arbitration for Sport. Lia Thomas The 25-year-old Thomas also remains barred from swimming in the female category after failing to overturn rules introduced by swimming’s governing body in the summer of 2022 which prohibit anyone who has undergone “any part of male puberty” from competing in the female category. Thomas had argued the rules should be declared “invalid and unlawful” as they were contrary to the Olympic charter and the World Aquatics constitution. In a 24-page decision, the court of arbitration concluded that Thomas was “simply not entitled to engage with eligibility to compete in WA competitions” as someone who was no longer a member of U.S. Swimming. World Aquatics introduced its new rules after Thomas beat Olympic silver medalist Emma Weyant by 1.75 seconds to win the women’s 500-yard freestyle title at the 2022 NCAA championships. In a scientific document that informed its decision, WA said swimmers such as Thomas retained significant physical advantages – in endurance, power, speed, strength and lung size – from undergoing male puberty, even after reducing their testosterone levels through medication. The court of arbitration ruled that Thomas had no standing to sue WA’s transgender policy, with a key paragraph stating: “The panel concludes that since the Athlete is not entitled to participate in ‘Elite Event’ within the meaning of USA Swimming Policy, let alone to compete in a WA competition, which occurs upon registration with WA prior to a competition or upon setting a performance which leads to a request for registration as WA world record, she is simply not entitled to engage with eligibility to compete in WA competitions. “The policy and the operational requirements are simply not triggered by her current status.” World Aquatics hailed the decision as “a major step forward in our efforts to protect women’s sport.” “World Aquatics is dedicated to fostering an environment that promotes fairness, respect, and equal opportunities for athletes of all genders and we reaffirm this pledge,” it added. = = = I wasn't sure that I hadn't forgotten or not but in the US nowadays, weightlifter transgenders can compete in actual competitions and they win, set new "female" records, etc. A New Zealander transgender was approved for a competition in Japan even. Sure cannot understand the reasoning for allowing that to happen! Imagine if you had a daughter who spent years training for some sport, be it weight lifting, wrestling, swimming, tennis, baseball, or any sport requiring some type of phyical strength and she had to compete against men in that sport and undoubtedly would lose against a "MAN" - how could that possibly be fair? I sure don't understand it. 3 1 1
Popular Post novacova Posted June 13 Popular Post Posted June 13 This whole subject is just another ancillary of the ambiguities and convoluted internal contradictions of the left. By all standards and definitions of the left, men competing against women in sports would be considered a hate crime. 1 2 3 2
Popular Post OneMoreFarang Posted June 13 Popular Post Posted June 13 23 minutes ago, novacova said: Only a complete cowardly male, chopped or not, would compete against women in athletics. He is obviously a p#$$y. 1 2 3
Popular Post BobBKK Posted June 13 Popular Post Posted June 13 Only women can give birth. If guys want to pretend they are women I have no problem but you can't change genetics no matter what Biden and the wokies say. 3 2 3
Popular Post MalcolmB Posted June 13 Popular Post Posted June 13 28 minutes ago, novacova said: Only a complete cowardly male, chopped or not, would compete against women in athletics. I am looking forward to watching the boxing. 2 1
Popular Post OneMoreFarang Posted June 13 Popular Post Posted June 13 Just now, novacova said: This whole subject is just another ancillary of the ambiguities and convoluted internal contradictions of the left. By all standards and definitions of the left, men competing against women in sports would be considered a hate crime. The left? Is there something like the left? Or something like the right? Some radicals on the very left want us to believe there are no gender differences, or maybe 100 of them. Most sane people agree that all that is just BS from sick people who want attention. 2 2
novacova Posted June 13 Posted June 13 4 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: He is obviously a p#$$y. We should just give him a pass and let him compete and continue to make a complete fool of himself under the condition of not being awarded anything. 1
MalcolmB Posted June 13 Posted June 13 11 minutes ago, Presnock said: I wasn't sure that I hadn't forgotten or not but in the US nowadays, weightlifter transgenders can compete in actual competitions and they win, set new "female" records, etc. Yes these transgender have really risen the bar for female sports. If they keep it up they might start getting some actual crowds attending which will increase their sponsorships. The women have been arguing for “equal” money as the men, this is a step in the right direction. 4 2
novacova Posted June 13 Posted June 13 4 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: The left? Is there something like the left? Or something like the right? Some radicals on the very left want us to believe there are no gender differences, or maybe 100 of them. Most sane people agree that all that is just BS from sick people who want attention. Ancillary, not a blanket generalization.
sqwakvfr Posted June 13 Posted June 13 He/she can apply to the refugee team as a Gender Identity Refugee? 1
impulse Posted June 13 Posted June 13 59 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said: The court of arbitration ruled that Thomas had no standing to sue WA’s transgender policy, I'll be more confident when a case comes across that's settled on the facts and the merits, rather than lack of standing. This just kicks the can down the road. 1
Popular Post rocketboy2 Posted June 13 Popular Post Posted June 13 (edited) Cheating P.O.S. Edited June 13 by rocketboy2 4
Popular Post Berkshire Posted June 13 Popular Post Posted June 13 48 minutes ago, BobBKK said: Only women can give birth. If guys want to pretend they are women I have no problem but you can't change genetics no matter what Biden and the wokies say. As a leftist, woke liberal, and Democrat, I strongly believe that transgender women should not be allowed to compete in women sports....at any level. Any questions? 1 2 3
Popular Post connda Posted June 13 Popular Post Posted June 13 Thank god. I've no problem with biological males who want to do anything - other than compete against biological females in sporting events. These are men who can not cut it in male sports and then compete against "the weaker sex" in order to win trophies that they otherwise would never be able to win. Biological women should only compete against biological women - unless - they chose to compete in "open competitions." Now I'm all for sport's authorities to carve out an "open category" where any sex can compete, or even a "transgender" category. Great - I want to see transgender people of have the opportunity to compete - against their biological equals. But biological men competing against women creates a danger to the much weaker biological women. No biological woman should be forced to compete against a biological man unless it's in an open category and they chose to compete together. 1 5
Popular Post Red Phoenix Posted June 13 Author Popular Post Posted June 13 1 minute ago, Berkshire said: As a leftist, woke liberal, and Democrat, I strongly believe that transgender women should not be allowed to compete in women sports....at any level. Any questions? There is no such thing as a transgender woman (or a transgender man for that matter). You are born a man or a woman, and that cannot be changed - period. But of course you do have men that pose as women, and women that pose as men. But that doesn't change the fact that whatever surgery or hormone cures they take, they will NEVER become someone of the opposite sex. Labeling a man as 'transgender woman' or a woman as 'transgender man' just adds to the confusion. 3 6
Popular Post BobBKK Posted June 13 Popular Post Posted June 13 36 minutes ago, Berkshire said: As a leftist, woke liberal, and Democrat, I strongly believe that transgender women should not be allowed to compete in women sports....at any level. Any questions? Please be sure to tell your leader 1 1 1 1 1 1
G_Money Posted June 13 Posted June 13 1 hour ago, Berkshire said: As a leftist, woke liberal, and Democrat, I strongly believe that transgender women should not be allowed to compete in women sports....at any level. Any questions? “Any questions?” Only one. Does your leftist, woke, liberal Democrat comrades know of your belief? If so you will be called out for blasphemy, be considered a heretic and burned at stake. 1 2 2 1
thaibeachlovers Posted June 13 Posted June 13 2 hours ago, Presnock said: A New Zealander transgender was approved for a competition in Japan even. Sure cannot understand the reasoning for allowing that to happen! Imagine if you had a daughter who spent years training for some sport, be it weight lifting, wrestling, swimming, tennis, baseball, or any sport requiring some type of phyical strength and she had to compete against men in that sport and undoubtedly would lose against a "MAN" - how could that possibly be fair? I sure don't understand it. That has to be under the last ( vile ) government. Hopefully it won't be happening anymore. 1 1
Liverpool Lou Posted June 13 Posted June 13 2 hours ago, kidneyw said: What a load of <deleted>! What is? That he has been barred from the (women's) Olympics? 1
G_Money Posted June 13 Posted June 13 Since he can’t compete in the Olympics he should consider relocating to a sanctuary city. Plenty of cesspools throughout the city. https://www.foxnews.com/media/san-francisco-first-major-us-cities-declare-sanctuary-status-transgender-people 1 1
Popular Post spidermike007 Posted June 13 Popular Post Posted June 13 This is a fantastic result. Exactly as it should be. When a woman devotes her entire youth to a sport, and becomes one of the best in that particular area, and then a man comes along who decides to identify as a woman, and steals all the awards, all the victories, and all the accolades, something is not right in society. Something is broken, society has become morally bankrupt, and there has to be a pause, there has to be an interruption of the nonsense. The PC crew, the liberals in the US, the universities, and many others are so anxious to hop on the support bandwagon, for anyone who wants to be different, regardless of the complexity of the circumstances. When it goes so far that the governing body of competitive swimming in the US is supporting "trans women", who are biological MEN, and enabling them to compete with "real women", who have little chance of winning against a 6'4" man who has transitioned, with shoulders the size of a quarterback, it is beyond ridiculous. I am an open minded guy. I have had a number of gay and lesbian friends for a long time, and am generally supportive of alternative lifestyles. But, there has to be a limit. Somewhere, somehow. Thomas began swimming on the men's team at the University of Pennsylvania in 2017, and during her freshman year, recorded a time of 8 minutes and 57.55 seconds in the 1,000-yard freestyle that ranked as the sixth-fastest national men's time, as well as 500-yard freestyle and 1,650-yard freestyle times ranked within the national top 100. On the men's swim team in 2018–2019, Thomas finished second in the men’s 500, 1,000, and 1,650-yard freestyle at the Ivy League championships as a sophomore in 2019. During the 2018–2019 season, Thomas recorded the top university men's team times in the 500 free, 1000 free, and 1650 free. HE was a competitive swimmer as a man. So, how is it fair that he competes as a woman? Hopefully all this craziness will pass and we'll return to some form of normalcy and decency. 3 3
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