'Swear on Allah': French 12 year old antisemitic rape victim told to convert to Islam

[Purdey]

58 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

By Country

Country	Number of Wins
Egypt	4
Pakistan	2
Turkey	2
Iran	2
Bangladesh	1
Yemen	1
Palestine	1
Tanzania	1
Tunisia	1

Well done.

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, ryandb said:

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter

 

Obama the drone striker also won one, the whole Nobel awards is a elitist circle jerk 

Since when did freedom fighters carry out massacres, torture, rapes, take hostages including babies and taunt families of hostages with sickening videos of their loved ones in tunnels?

[Neeranam]

9 minutes ago, cncltd1973 said:

many more than a few centuries ago, but ok, the events that led up to that began when Muslims regularly attacked, robbed and killed European Christians on their pilgrimage to Jerusalem. also on their way to the hospital, thus the Hospitaler Knights protected Christians on the way to get repaired after being attacked. that while land was dangerous - filled with violent Muslims who are allowed to do what they will to the visiting infidels. the word "assassin" comes from a tribe in that area. got to the point where war was the only response to guarantee to civilian safety. 

I won't mention the Spanish inquisition lol, which existed less than 200 years ago. 

Those Catholics. 

Protestants too did similar things. 

Suggesting it's only Muslims is incorrect. 

[Social Media]

Topic reminder, please stay somewhere near the OP, this is not the place for history lessons or Bush in Iraq. Further off topic posts removed @Neeranam next removal will be more than posts.

 

'Swear on Allah': French 12 year old antisemitic rape victim told to convert to Islam

[Sandboxer]

Marie Le Penn, Alice Weidel, etc.....Europe's last hope.

[spidermike007]

The issue is not with Islam. The vast majority of Muslims are decent people, and do not support terror, extremism, nor utterly deplorable behavior, like this. At least the ones I have known do not.

 

This stuff is sick, and is perpetrated by people without faith, who claim to have faith. They are heathens of the first order.

 

These guys were so ignorant, they asked a Jewish kid, who they had just raped, to swear on the name of Allah. For most, that would be like being asked to swear on the name of Mr. Bagel.

[proton]

6 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

The issue is not with Islam. The vast majority of Muslims are decent people, and do not support terror, extremism, nor utterly deplorable behavior, like this. At least the ones I have known do not.

 

This stuff is sick, and is perpetrated by people without faith, who claim to have faith. They are heathens of the first order.

 

These guys were so ignorant, they asked a Jewish kid, who they had just raped, to swear on the name of Allah. For most, that would be like being asked to swear on the name of Mr. Bagel.

 

 

No amount of decent people change the doctrine's of hate and intolerance in Islam, you are making the usual mistake of mixing up Islam with Muslims. Many Nazis, communists and Khmer rouge were decent as well, made no difference 

[Sandboxer]

13 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

The vast majority of Muslims are decent people, and do not support terror,

 

The widely accepted figure of muslims who in one way or another support "any measure necessary" to advance Islam's expansionism among people who study this professionally ranges from about 25-35%.

 

No, it is not the majority. But it is waaaaaay too many of them.  Just 1-5% would already be an incredibly high number..... 

 

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2006/05/23/where-terrorism-finds-support-in-the-muslim-world/

 

Gallup poll:

 

According to a 2017 Gallup poll, 7% of Muslims worldwide support terrorism. However, the poll also found that 36.6% of Muslims do not condemn the 9/11 attacks, with 7% agreeing that the attacks were "completely justified", 6.5% justifying them, and 23.1% thinking they were at least somewhat justified. 

 

 

Edited June 26 by Sandboxer

[proton]

8 minutes ago, Sandboxer said:

 

The widely accepted figure of muslims who in one way or another support "any measure necessary" to advance Islam's expansionism among people who study this professionally ranges from about 25-35%.

 

No, it is not the majority. But it is waaaaaay too many of them.  Just 1-5% would already be an incredibly high number..... 

 

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2006/05/23/where-terrorism-finds-support-in-the-muslim-world/

 

Gallup poll:

 

According to a 2017 Gallup poll, 7% of Muslims worldwide support terrorism. However, the poll also found that 36.6% of Muslims do not condemn the 9/11 attacks, with 7% agreeing that the attacks were "completely justified", 6.5% justifying them, and 23.1% thinking they were at least somewhat justified. 

 

 

 

 

Never heard of Taquiya then, Islam permits lying in its defence and to spread it

Edited June 26 by proton

[CharlieH]

More off topic deflection and responses to same removed.

 

If people persist in trying to deflect into history or bible story  etc they will be removed from this topic, or may be have their posting ability removed.

 

Its  the same people performing the same actions, and its tiresome. STAY on the actual topic of the OP. If you want to discuss a specific aspect related to it in some way, then start a topic on that and discuss/debate it all you like.

[susanlea]

6 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

Muslims , Jews ... they hate each other .

Hatred leads to violence and violence to more violence .

A vicious circle .

To get out of this , empathy and tolerance are needed ... but there needs to be a will to make peace ...

Jews are peaceful.

[ElwoodP]

Any more bickering and the two posters involved will no longer be able to post.

[natway09]

Gang rape,,,, castration,  & watch the others get castrated as well.

[Cory1848]

8 hours ago, Peterphuket said:

Throughout the world, that 'faith' brings bitter misery, nothing more and nothing less.
Name one Muslim who has been nominated for the Nobel prize....anybody?

What on earth are you talking about. Sure, there’s plenty of hatred in the world, in most corners. Stop being part of the problem.

[Albaby]

10 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh, do your off topic Dianne Abbott thing wasn’t at all necessary and added nothing to the discussion.

 

Who knew?!

Apart from the fact that she is an anti semite and a Hamas supporter.

[Chomper Higgot]

29 minutes ago, Albaby said:

Apart from the fact that she is an anti semite and a Hamas supporter.

Her influence over the assailants in this obscene attack on an innocent child is?

 

 

[proton]

17 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Her influence over the assailants in this obscene attack on an innocent child is?

 

 

Fellow traveler, she is so dumb she claimed on TV that Mao had done more good than harm!

[CashMoon]

On 6/26/2024 at 9:35 AM, Peterphuket said:

In their fairy tale book, it is literally written to kill anyone who is not Muslim.
Now you again.

Don't act ignorant, it doesn't say that.   For me it is a cultural act rather than a religious one. I write as an atheist that all religions are about slavery and bigotry.
Anyway, we're all Goy. We'd better get used to it 😄  

 

ChatGPT Islam

 

No, there is no verse in Islam that commands to "kill the unbelievers." Islam emphasizes peace, justice, and tolerance. While there are verses in the Quran that discuss warfare, these are generally context-specific and often pertain to self-defense.

One verse that is frequently misunderstood and misquoted out of context is Surah Al-Baqarah 2:191:

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"And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al-Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers."

 

This verse was revealed in the context of Muslims being persecuted and driven out of Mecca. Even in warfare, Islam mandates adherence to principles of justice and the rules of engagement.

Another relevant verse is Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:32:

 

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"Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely."

 

This verse highlights the sanctity of human life and the severity of unjustly taking a life.

Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance, and it is essential to consider the context when interpreting verses from the Quran.

ChatGPT Christianity

 

The Bible, both the Old Testament and the New Testament, contains passages that have been interpreted in various ways, sometimes including calls to violence, especially in historical and context-specific situations.

 

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Old Testament

1. Deuteronomy 20:16-17:

   "However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you."

   This passage is part of the instructions given to the Israelites regarding the conquest of Canaan. It reflects a specific historical context and should be understood within that framework.

2. 1 Samuel 15:3:

   "Now go and attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys."

   This verse describes God's command to King Saul to destroy the Amalekites, again in a specific historical and cultural context.

 

 

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New Testament

The New Testament generally emphasizes peace and love, following the teachings of Jesus Christ. However, there are passages that have been interpreted in various ways:

1. Matthew 10:34:

   "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

   This verse has often been understood metaphorically, referring to the division and conflict that the message of Jesus would cause among people, rather than a literal call to violence.

2. Luke 19:27:

   "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."

   This verse is part of a parable and is generally interpreted as a symbolic message about the consequences of rejecting Jesus' kingship.

 

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Context and Interpretation

Just like in Islam, the interpretation of these verses requires understanding the historical, cultural, and literary context. Both Christianity and Islam have extensive traditions of scholarship that seek to understand and interpret their sacred texts in ways that align with broader principles of peace, justice, and love.

In summary, while there are verses in the Bible that describe acts of violence, these are often specific to historical contexts and are interpreted in various ways within the broader teachings of Christianity.

 

Edited June 27 by CashMoon

[Neeranam]

On 6/26/2024 at 9:35 AM, Peterphuket said:

In their fairy tale book, it is literally written to kill anyone who is not Muslim.
Now you again.

What do you mean by fairytale book?

[AboutThaim]

On 6/26/2024 at 10:34 AM, Neeranam said:

Sounds like the Christians a few centuries ago.

 

a series of military expeditions called the Crusades was launched from Christian Europe against the peoples of the Near East. Sparked by a zeal to rid the Holy Lands of "infidels"—meaning Moslems primarily

 

https://www.usu.edu/markdamen/1320hist&civ/chapters/15crusad.htm#:~:text=Spanning most of the High,any real or lasting success.

So you think it's ok in this day and age for Moslems to do the same as the Crusaders did centuries ago?  If you don't why bring it up?

There are lots of horrific things that have happened due to religious beliefs long ago such as being burnt at the stake for non- believers, Spanish inquisition, etc.  Hope we don't go back to that sort of thing to try to influence people's beliefs.

[candide]

On 6/26/2024 at 5:34 AM, Neeranam said:

Sounds like the Christians a few centuries ago.

 

a series of military expeditions called the Crusades was launched from Christian Europe against the peoples of the Near East. Sparked by a zeal to rid the Holy Lands of "infidels"—meaning Moslems primarily

 

https://www.usu.edu/markdamen/1320hist&civ/chapters/15crusad.htm#:~:text=Spanning most of the High,any real or lasting success.

Muslim tribes had themselves invaded and colonised this area, which was previously part of the Bizantine empire, a few centuries ago......

[Neeranam]

6 hours ago, AboutThaim said:

So you think it's ok in this day and age for Moslems to do the same as the Crusaders did centuries ago?  If you don't why bring it up?

No, I don't, but I try not to judge other people's cultures or religions. 

I was putting things into perspective. 

This day and age on some countries is not the same day and age in my countries, Thailand and Scotland, which also differ in days and ages. 

For example, if a Yank says Thais are racist, I remind them that in my lifetime blacks couldn't vote in some US states. 

If someone says Palestinians are terrorists, I remind them that less than 80!yrars ago the future Israelis were terrorists, etc. 

[Albaby]

On 6/26/2024 at 8:34 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

Her influence over the assailants in this obscene attack on an innocent child is?

 

 

Groupthink, morons like Abbott excuse the actions of the rapists on the grounds that they are part of a persecuted minority, thus not responsible for their actions.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Albaby said:

Groupthink, morons like Abbott excuse the actions of the rapists on the grounds that they are part of a persecuted minority, thus not responsible for their actions.

‘Group think’ you say. 

 

Without an iota of introspection.

[still kicking]

On 6/27/2024 at 6:13 PM, Neeranam said:

What do you mean by fairytale book?

He means the Bible 

[0ffshore360]

On 6/26/2024 at 10:01 AM, nobodysfriend said:

 

some do ...

Run of mill  do because they are no different to other religio indoctrinates.

Religion is the global disease !

[Neeranam]

34 minutes ago, still kicking said:

He means the Bible 

The Bible says to kill all non Muslims?

[Ben Zioner]

Would be child's play for METSADA to catch these creeps cut their balls and make sure everyone knows about it. But I worry Israel is getting weak.

[CG1 Blue]

On 6/26/2024 at 4:57 AM, Neeranam said:

I won't mention the Spanish inquisition lol, which existed less than 200 years ago. 

Those Catholics. 

Protestants too did similar things. 

Suggesting it's only Muslims is incorrect. 

We're talking about 2024 - the current threat.

 

Would you have been sticking up for the Crusaders when that was going on? 

 

Here's another near miss in the UK.

 

Another horrendous crime that didn't make the headlines on any major news channels in the UK. 

 

In the early hours of 20 January last year, Mohammad Farooq arrived at St James's Hospital in Leeds armed with two knives, an imitation firearm and a pressure cooker bomb.

The 28-year-old clinical support worker planned to trigger an evacuation to lure patients and staff into a deadly trap.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ck5g7xn1re0o

 

 

 

 

[Neeranam]

2 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

We're talking about 2024 - the current threat.

 

Would you have been sticking up for the Crusaders when that was going on? 

 

Here's another near miss in the UK.

 

Another horrendous crime that didn't make the headlines on any major news channels in the UK. 

 

In the early hours of 20 January last year, Mohammad Farooq arrived at St James's Hospital in Leeds armed with two knives, an imitation firearm and a pressure cooker bomb.

The 28-year-old clinical support worker planned to trigger an evacuation to lure patients and staff into a deadly trap.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ck5g7xn1re0o

 

 

 

 

I was living in the UK at the time of the Spanish inquisition, I probably would have supported it. 

If I was living in the MIddle East, no.

You missed my point. 

 

One radical Muslim doesn't make them all bad. Should we not allow Muslims into the UK?

Are you an immigrant in Thailand? Do you think what some idiot does to make the news reflect on you?