Labour to Permit 100,000 Migrants to Apply for Asylum

[proton]

44 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s a misrepresentation of reality.

 

But that’s what we expect from the Telegraph when reporting on Labour.

 

The 100,000 are already in the UK, the Tories let them in, then failed to process their claims for asylum, a mess and a job that is now passed to Labour.

 

How do you expect them to process asylum claims on a pack of lies? They throw away passports, phones then give false names and a fake story of 'persecution' often from a country they have never even been to. Unless they have a passport claims should be rejected straight away, and the liar deported.

[Chomper Higgot]

43 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 "Let them in." Okay, so what would you do? Keep them at sea? Sink their boats? The problem lies in France, mainly.

Are you disputing that these people where in the UK before Labour came to power?

[BobBKK]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Are you disputing that these people where in the UK before Labour came to power?

No - just that the Tories failed to solve it - and Labour will be far WORSE.

[Bday Prang]

1 hour ago, roo860 said:

 

excellent example of how public money is squandered, pity it doesn't highlight the totally disproportionate  salaries that these non-jobs are paying. There have been many reports in the UK that the NHS pay more for these positions than they do for surgeons and GP's   6 figure salaries are not uncommon. Its a national disgrace 

[James105]

29 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Thank you for your link, from which the following is quoted:

 

”The deportation flight of 50 people was cancelled after the Court of Appeal found they had insufficient access to legal advice due to a lack of working mobile sim cards while they were kept in immigration detention.”

 

So not Sir Kier Starmer.

 

From the article:

 

"Sir Keir campaigned alongside MPs and celebs to cancel a major deportation flight - but some have gone on to re-offend."

 

They were criminals who were not British nationals and it should have been an automatic deportation as they had all spent more than 12 months in jail.   One of them went on to murder someone thanks in part to the actions of the woke idiot who is now running the country.  

[Bday Prang]

38 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Are you disputing that these people where in the UK before Labour came to power?

well so far there have been at least 500 more arrived since Starmer took control. 

[Bday Prang]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Thank you for your link, from which the following is quoted:

 

”The deportation flight of 50 people was cancelled after the Court of Appeal found they had insufficient access to legal advice due to a lack of working mobile sim cards while they were kept in immigration detention.”

 

So not Sir Kier Starmer.

Well not Kier Starmer personally maybe  but a Woke court of appeal populated by people who share his ideals

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, proton said:

 

How do you expect them to process asylum claims on a pack of lies? They throw away passports, phones then give false names and a fake story of 'persecution' often from a country they have never even been to. Unless they have a passport claims should be rejected straight away, and the liar deported.

Or so you say so.  

 

And yet asylum claims are processed.

 

Enjoy your fantasy of deportation without due process. 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, BobBKK said:

No - just that the Tories failed to solve it - and Labour will be far WORSE.

It is an observable fact that the Tories did fail to solve the problem, cutting immigration staff probably didn't help.

 

Your assumptions on how Labour will perform is just that, an assumption. 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

27 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

From the article:

 

"Sir Keir campaigned alongside MPs and celebs to cancel a major deportation flight - but some have gone on to re-offend."

 

They were criminals who were not British nationals and it should have been an automatic deportation as they had all spent more than 12 months in jail.   One of them went on to murder someone thanks in part to the actions of the woke idiot who is now running the country.  

Where is your evidence that this had any bearing at all upon the high court ruling that cancelled the deportations?

 

 

[billd766]

1 hour ago, proton said:

 

How do you expect them to process asylum claims on a pack of lies? They throw away passports, phones then give false names and a fake story of 'persecution' often from a country they have never even been to. Unless they have a passport claims should be rejected straight away, and the liar deported.

If they give false names, throw away their passports, docs etc you want to deport them.

 

If they have no passports or docs, which country do you deport them to?

[Chomper Higgot]

24 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

well so far there have been at least 500 more arrived since Starmer took control. 

Hardly a surprise, Sunak's 'Stop the Boats' pledge was a hollow lie. 

 

Labour have been in power a week, give them chance to act before criticising them with the obvious outcomes of the previous government's failings. 

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Well not Kier Starmer personally maybe  but a Woke court of appeal populated by people who share his ideals

Or maybe just the law.

[Bday Prang]

On 7/10/2024 at 7:29 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

The Electorate voted for change, Labour are delivering change.

well lets see how many of the 100,000 would be immigrants fare during their proposed , new, up and coming fast  track assessment, before we decide whether anything  actually changing, be it for better or worse.

   Personally I strongly doubt anything will change significantly   just have to wait and see

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Bday Prang said:

well lets see how many of the 100,000 would be immigrants fare during their proposed , new, up and coming fast  track assessment, before we decide whether anything  actually changing, be it for better or worse.

   Personally I strongly doubt anything will change significantly   just have to wait and see

 

I expect four outcomes:

 

1. Some claims will be approved and the claimants moved into the community, allowed to work, keep themselves and pay taxes.
2. Some claims will be rejected and the claimants deported.
3. The above two outcomes will reduce the number of people being kept at tax payer's expense.
4. The rightwing will continue to bleat. 

 

[georgegeorgia]

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Or maybe just the law.

We can't rely on this capitalist law 

We must do our own bit by reaching out to the oppressed 

[James105]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Where is your evidence that this had any bearing at all upon the high court ruling that cancelled the deportations?

 

It raises concerns about his judgement as this affects the safety and security of British people so it doesn't matter if it affected the end result. This was a flight full of convicted criminals who were not British citizens and any non British citizen who is given a custodial sentence of 12 months or more is automatically deported.   If the safety and security of citizens is a governments number one priority then I'd say his judgement based on this event is a major concern - wouldn't you?

 

Everyone who campaigned would at least in part have influenced the result of the judges verdict on this so they all have blood on their hands for the murder that was committed by one of the criminals they helped get off the plane and back onto British streets.   

[Bday Prang]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

I expect four outcomes:

 

1. Some claims will be approved and the claimants moved into the community, allowed to work, keep themselves and pay taxes.
2. Some claims will be rejected and the claimants deported.
3. The above two outcomes will reduce the number of people being kept at tax payer's expense.
4. The rightwing will continue to bleat. 

 

I expect a similar scenario (but with a few minor changes in  detail)

             

             1. Most claims will be approved and the claimants allowed to remain, They may find a job , They might earn enough to pay tax  maybe not.

             2 Very Very few will be rejected and those that are will then enroll in the never ending appeals process which will prevent their deportation

             3 The above will have little to no  impact on those arriving and any monies saved as a result will now go towards the cost of their legal aid 

             4 The "right wing" and just about everybody else will naturally continue to voice their concerns  ( or bleat as you put it )

             5  The boats will continue to arrive exactly as before  we cab also expect "relatives" of those from item 1 of this list to start arriving

             6  And so it will continue until the islamisation is complete, (at that point all the above is superfluous)

             7  No idea  what happens next and I hope I'm not around to find out

  Do you think that's  a realistic prognosis?

[Pickwick]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

What's wrong IMO is letting illegals stay longer than pushing them out with enough fuel to get back to France.

When we were part of the EU we could - and did - send them back to France under the Dublin Regulation. Brexit stopped that. But this has nothing to do with the topic of this thread which has descended into people blaming Labour for a Tory backlog. That there's an undoubted problem with the system is not something we disagree on. However, I don't blame one party or group of people because of a one-sided and rather narrow ideology.

[Pickwick]

2 hours ago, roo860 said:

 

 

I am not disagreeing that there's a problem. I am disagreeing with people blaming a government that's not even a week old. You will have noted - I am sure - that these job listings are dated before the election.

[sungod]

On 7/10/2024 at 2:51 PM, mokwit said:

The rate of unemployment amongst British Muslims is very high - from memory something like 60% of males and 70% of females.

 

It would be very interesting to find out if the females unable to work because of archaic cultural beliefs are allowed by their husbands to trundle down to the benefits office........

[Pickwick]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Quite right too. The NHS is an institution bogged down in wokeness.

If this is true then it is wokeness aided and abetted by a 14 year long right-wing Tory government (a government some on here voted for, yet blame everything on anyone who didn't). If the Tories are culpable then so are those who kept them in power for so long.

[herfiehandbag]

5 minutes ago, sungod said:

 

It would be very interesting to find out if the females unable to work because of archaic cultural beliefs are allowed by their husbands to trundle down to the benefits office........

All sorted out by the head of the extended family I expect. Culturally inclusiveness and all that.

[Pickwick]

29 minutes ago, James105 said:

It raises concerns about his judgement as this affects the safety and security of British people so it doesn't matter if it affected the end result. This was a flight full of convicted criminals who were not British citizens and any non British citizen who is given a custodial sentence of 12 months or more is automatically deported.   If the safety and security of citizens is a governments number one priority then I'd say his judgement based on this event is a major concern - wouldn't you?

Can you show me the letter he signed (serious request); I can only find vague reference in publications that are famed for right-wing bias or shoddy journalistic standards. From what I read it seemed he was concerned about due legal process and not with saving convicted criminals per se, though granted that doesn't sound as shocking and would probably not sell much copy at the newsagents.

 

Let me be clear: I am all for deporting foreign criminals as quickly as possible; I am however, aware of the history and consequences of rounding up people without fair trial and following the law. I - like all on here who have commented on this point - have no specific details of this, and will reserve judgement until I see them.

 

I will say unequivocally that I believe that the UK should remain a democratic country based on the rule of law.

[Chomper Higgot]

27 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

I expect a similar scenario (but with a few minor changes in  detail)

             

             1. Most claims will be approved and the claimants allowed to remain, They may find a job , They might earn enough to pay tax  maybe not.

             2 Very Very few will be rejected and those that are will then enroll in the never ending appeals process which will prevent their deportation

             3 The above will have little to no  impact on those arriving and any monies saved as a result will now go towards the cost of their legal aid 

             4 The "right wing" and just about everybody else will naturally continue to voice their concerns  ( or bleat as you put it )

             5  The boats will continue to arrive exactly as before  we cab also expect "relatives" of those from item 1 of this list to start arriving

             6  And so it will continue until the islamisation is complete, (at that point all the above is superfluous)

             7  No idea  what happens next and I hope I'm not around to find out

  Do you think that's  a realistic prognosis?

I see my point 4 has come into effect earlier than expected.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Pickwick said:

 

I will say unequivocally that I believe that the UK should remain a democratic country based on the rule of law.

Moreover, if anyone really believes the UK is under threat of becoming a theocracy l, they too should back the rule of law with the Government answerable to the law.

 

But of course that requires a bit of thinking beyond the current emotive outrage.

[Bday Prang]

2 minutes ago, Pickwick said:

 

I am not disagreeing that there's a problem. I am disagreeing with people blaming a government that's not even a week old. You will have noted - I am sure - that these job listings are dated before the election.

             No doubt the jobs were posted pre election but nothing will have changed since.    The salaries for these non jobs are totally disproportionate, The people who are complicit in creating , advertising and filling these "vacancies" are employees of the NHS and are all too aware that that there is only so much money available yet they continue to squander the limited resources available on this rubbish rather than employing additional doctors and nurses, or paying the existing ones a decent wage .  Its madness and the Tories should have stopped this nonsense dead in its tracks  ,Why  they didn't or couldn't   I have no idea, but I will be very very surprised if this new or any future government will bring about any improvement. 

              I'm no fan of Starmer, but there is nothing to be gained by wishing for him to fail,  Its in all our interests that he succeeds,with all his intended plans/ policies  whether we agree with them or not .  and I genuinely hope that he does.as any failure will have negative consequences for us all

              The practice  of hoping, and in many cases arranging,  for failure just so one can start whinging "I told you so"  cutting off one's nose to spite ones face as we say, as beloved by opponents of brexit helps nobody and   should have no place in politics, and those indulging in it should be removed from their positions 

[Bday Prang]

21 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I see my point 4 has come into effect earlier than expected.

Well strictly speaking point 4  and points 5 and 6  are not really expected scenarios, I thing work in progress might be a better description

[RayC]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I became one in the 1980s, which was somewhat before such labels were attached to governments, and we had a socialist leaning society back then ( long gone of course ). Had governments of both sides but neither gave us a better deal. The pay was rubbish back then and still is now. I didn't go into it to become rich, but it would have been nice if I could have lived on it. In the end I emigrated to where the pay was better just to get ahead a bit.

 

"(The UK) had a socialist leaning society back then (in the 1980s)". The same society in the same decade which happened to elect Margaret Thatcher as PM on three consecutive occasions.

 

You couldn't make this stuff up although apparently you can.

[James105]

30 minutes ago, Pickwick said:

Can you show me the letter he signed (serious request); I can only find vague reference in publications that are famed for right-wing bias or shoddy journalistic standards. From what I read it seemed he was concerned about due legal process and not with saving convicted criminals per se, though granted that doesn't sound as shocking and would probably not sell much copy at the newsagents.

 

Let me be clear: I am all for deporting foreign criminals as quickly as possible; I am however, aware of the history and consequences of rounding up people without fair trial and following the law. I - like all on here who have commented on this point - have no specific details of this, and will reserve judgement until I see them.

 

I will say unequivocally that I believe that the UK should remain a democratic country based on the rule of law.

 

Sure, here you go:

 

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Letter-to-PM-09022020-Nadia-Whittome.pdf

 

The only concerns expressed are for the criminals and not for the potential safety or security concerns of the British people.  These were people already convicted of crimes that resulted in imprisonment of more than 12 months so they had their fair trial before they were imprisoned.