5 minutes ago, JCauto said:

 

Allow me to explain then - one way to provide enlightenment in debate is to contrast and compare similar situations so that the person who has made a claim can observe that the claim has limited or no merit. 

 

There are two people I compare in my post, and both of them have been President for almost 4 years, so there are similar track records, experience and other data to consider. It's a rare experience too, so there are limited other examples one might point to that would be relevant.

 

You claimed to believe that Biden was a Narcissist - I found it hard to believe because when one is a Narcissist, it dominates all other facets of your personality and emerges clearly when one is among an accomplished peer group. You can see this when you examine DJT and the many people who worked very closely with him as President who have observed this and even felt so strongly about it that they had to say it publicly even though they are committed lifelong Republicans. 

 

So why hasn't the same thing happened with Biden? Where are the ex-staffers noting his lack of empathy, his obsession with his image, his continuous disparaging of others to make himself look good? Where is your evidence? I gave you pretty strong evidence that those who ARE narcissist can't hide it from those around them. How has Biden managed that? Your claim he showed he could by hiding his age falls flat rather quickly when the literal reason he dropped out of the race is that HE COULDN'T HIDE HIS AGE! Lastly, and most importantly, a Narcissist would NEVER BACK OUT OF THE RACE! He would believe he and only he was the one who could save the country. His act of stepping down was the act of someone who is not a Narcissist.

Still deflecting. My comment was about Biden and Biden alone.

 

His act of stepping down was the act of someone who is not a Narcissist.

I think he was told to step down, else he would not have. Who told him? I wasn't in the room to know.

34 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

More slander from the left.

 

25 people already confirmed he didn't say it.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/15/trump-says-there-are-25-witnesses-disputing-atlantic-nope/

 

You guys are getting desperate.

 

 

And of those 25, 11 were not even present!  Who is gettign desperate?

 

(I would suggest others read the article, which actually gives a pretty balanced view and form their own opinion).

 

PH

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Add to the adverse reputation, TRump is now the oldest presidential candidate in US history and congnitive challenged. 

You forgot.  And he's Hitler. 

There - fixed it.

Just now, connda said:

You forgot.  And he's Hitler. 

There - fixed it.

Well done. You not as stupid as I thought. 

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Flynn is a deflection. You seem to like deflecting.

 

Once again, allow me to explain. You raised the point that "IMO a general that takes sides in a political dispute is despicable for trying to use their position for politics. The military are supposed to stay out of politics."

 

I am responding to that point. You did say that, didn't you? That's not a deflection, that's proper debate - I don't back away from your points, I address them directly. 

Now can you kindly do the same - what is it that has given you the impression that Joe Biden is a Narcissist? Can you point to any evidence? Have any disgruntled members of his administration or party said that? Have you seen any behaviour that is typical of Narcissists?

I have answered all of your points, and would appreciate if you could address mine.

33 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO a general that takes sides in a political dispute is despicable for trying to use their position for politics. The military are supposed to stay out of politics.

He was retired from the military.  But then s was Mike Flynn - but I haven;t seen you denounce him as being despicable.

 

Should military service bar everyone for all time from any engagement in politics?  If so it would certainly allow more people with bone spurs an entry to the racce.

 

PH

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Your defense of his record is sound. But I think it's clear that the sharp decline, while relatively recent, also involves his mental faculties. The lie that the Trumpistas are pushing is that he was senile throughout his term in office.

'relatively recent'..... which it's not, as many have said previously, but been dismissed. it's only after the debate where the world saw it live that it could no longer be hidden, and look where we are now, what 3 weeks later and he's stepped down.

1 minute ago, JCauto said:

 

So your response to direct quotations proving your point wrong is to (of course) disparage the witnesses (despite them having all been appointed to their very senior positions by DJT). Direct quotations by people of high standing who happened to be present at the time is pretty much what defines the word "evidence". 

 

He said, she said. Trump has plenty of witnesses who said he didn't say it. It's a nothing burger. Idle gossip. 

 

1 minute ago, JCauto said:

 

 

I understand that this has been a highly emotional and traumatic time for you. It was all there, in your grasp, four more years of the division and hatred after that appalling debate performance. And now it's gone, tens of millions of dollars wasted on attacking Joe and Hunter, an entire campaign built on being too old and incompetent and now he's the old and incompetent one! He's going to get his butt handed to him by a far younger, far smarter and far more dynamic woman (the irony!) and you're going to have to sit through another eight years of watching Project 2025 and the decades of meddling with the Supreme Court go crashing down into the dustbin of history like the fascism from which it sprang. I'm going to be here for all of it, reminding you every step along the way! Get your popcorn!

 

Dynamic? 😃

 

The cackling riddler Kamala Harris? President DEI? California Psycho babbler who slept her way through the ranks? Don't make me laugh. Her only chance is to stop talking and hope her immutable characteristics get her enough votes. That won't happen. If she was a good candidate they'd have got rid of Biden months ago. They left it to the last minute for a reason. She's useless. Now the gaslighting about Biden being sharp as a tack is exposed, we get round 2 about Harris being some kind of genius. You guys...😄

Trump's assessment of Biden is his own.

 

OTOH, most historians rank Trump as the worst in history, by several furlongs.

 

Impeached - twice. Over 90 indictments delivered by grand juries.

 

Convicted by a jury of his peers on 34 counts of falsifying business records.

 

His companies sucked $240 million from the public purse for the 300 times he played golf during his presidency.

 

What other president in US history can come within a bull's roar of that record? Nixon and Clinton were amateurs by comparison.

7 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

And of those 25, 11 were not even present!  Who is gettign desperate?

 

(I would suggest others read the article, which actually gives a pretty balanced view and form their own opinion).

 

PH

 

OK, so we have a rumour about a coversation where 25 (or 14 if you prefer) say Trump didn't say it and 1 person who says he did.

 

Like I said, no more legit than overhearing Issan housewives gossiping over the garden fence. Desperate stuff.  

8 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

'relatively recent'..... which it's not, as many have said previously, but been dismissed. it's only after the debate where the world saw it live that it could no longer be hidden, and look where we are now, what 3 weeks later and he's stepped down.

What many have been saying is that right from the start of his administration Biden was suffering from dementia. I posted a link pointing out that in February, some European diplomats noticed a recent decline. George Clooney noticed a sharp decline on Jun 15 from a few months earlier.

8 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

He was retired from the military.  But then s was Mike Flynn - but I haven;t seen you denounce him as being despicable.

 

Should military service bar everyone for all time from any engagement in politics?  If so it would certainly allow more people with bone spurs an entry to the racce.

 

PH

It would also allow more people with student deferments an entry to the race.

 

IMO ex military officers should be barred from politics as more likely to start wars.

 

Introducing Flynn is a deflection. I'm sure there are plenty of similar situations on the Democrat side, but I'm not talking about them either.

16 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

When did I claim Biden was a narcissist? Quote me on that.

I doubt he had empathy. You are the one making it up that I believe that Biden is a narcissist.

 

I said "One of the clearest indicators of whether a person is a narcissist is whether they have empathy for others. Narcissists don't. Do you see Joe as someone devoid of empathy? He sure does fake it well in that case. How about DJT? Have you seen him empathize much with others? You will note he only does so when it is in service of attacking other people who supposedly harmed the person he is empathizing with, and in every single case it is for political purposes. IMO he was a faker. Obviously faked it well enough to fool a lot of people."

 

You responded with (of course, since every accusation is a confession for you folks) a claim that I was "deflecting".

 

So I asked you "Do you see Joe as someone devoid of empathy? He sure does fake it well in that case."

 

Your response was that "I was responding to your claim that Biden has "empathy"".

 

Very tiresome, you are trying to pretend that you haven't been discussing the issue of narcissism while directly responding to posts about narcissism. You fully understood that I was raising the issue of "empathy" since it is well understood that Narcissists lack empathy for others, and this is one of the defining characteristics. I raised it in that context and explained so. 

What's next? Going back to edit your posts? Or just more weak sauce about "deflecting". While deflecting.

8 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Trump's assessment of Biden is his own.

 

OTOH, most historians rank Trump as the worst in history, by several furlongs.

 

Impeached - twice. Over 90 indictments delivered by grand juries.

 

Convicted by a jury of his peers on 34 counts of falsifying business records.

 

His companies sucked $240 million from the public purse for the 300 times he played golf during his presidency.

 

What other president in US history can come within a bull's roar of that record? Nixon and Clinton were amateurs by comparison.

Is disparaging Trump your favourite obsession? You seem to spend a lot of time doing that.

 

Trump's assessment of Biden is his own.

Mine too. Horrid little man IMO.

 

This thread is quite entertaining. Trump says something and it becomes full of certain posters posting about the same things they have been posting for the last 7 years. It'd be great if they came up with something new for a change.

2 minutes ago, JCauto said:

 

I said "One of the clearest indicators of whether a person is a narcissist is whether they have empathy for others. Narcissists don't. Do you see Joe as someone devoid of empathy? He sure does fake it well in that case. How about DJT? Have you seen him empathize much with others? You will note he only does so when it is in service of attacking other people who supposedly harmed the person he is empathizing with, and in every single case it is for political purposes. IMO he was a faker. Obviously faked it well enough to fool a lot of people."

 

You responded with (of course, since every accusation is a confession for you folks) a claim that I was "deflecting".

 

So I asked you "Do you see Joe as someone devoid of empathy? He sure does fake it well in that case."

 

Your response was that "I was responding to your claim that Biden has "empathy"".

 

Very tiresome, you are trying to pretend that you haven't been discussing the issue of narcissism while directly responding to posts about narcissism. You fully understood that I was raising the issue of "empathy" since it is well understood that Narcissists lack empathy for others, and this is one of the defining characteristics. I raised it in that context and explained so. 

What's next? Going back to edit your posts? Or just more weak sauce about "deflecting". While deflecting.

Carry on without me. It's keeping you occupied with those long posts, at least.

18 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

He said, she said. Trump has plenty of witnesses who said he didn't say it. It's a nothing burger. Idle gossip. 

 

 

Dynamic? 😃

 

The cackling riddler Kamala Harris? President DEI? California Psycho babbler who slept her way through the ranks? Don't make me laugh. Her only chance is to stop talking and hope her immutable characteristics get her enough votes. That won't happen. If she was a good candidate they'd have got rid of Biden months ago. They left it to the last minute for a reason. She's useless. Now the gaslighting about Biden being sharp as a tack is exposed, we get round 2 about Harris being some kind of genius. You guys...😄

It'd make a great comedy movie, the incompetent that made it to the presidency without having to win a primary. Sadly it's going to be more a horror movie when they make it.

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Carry on without me. It's keeping you occupied with those long posts, at least.

 

My final lesson for today is - when you've been comprehensively beaten, it's considered gracious and classy to simply accept defeat and note that you were incorrect in your earlier posting. This provides credibility for future discussions and lets others see that you're not just bloviating and trying to stir up conflict but engaging in principled debate. Good luck in the future! I'm sure our paths will cross again.

30 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

OK, so we have a rumour about a coversation where 25 (or 14 if you prefer) say Trump didn't say it and 1 person who says he did.

 

Like I said, no more legit than overhearing Issan housewives gossiping over the garden fence. Desperate stuff.  

Truth doesn't matter. Many will defend Trump no matter what.

My niece is a political science professor at a University in the US, and she said that hundreds of experts across the board have labeled Trump's presidency as being the 43rd worst in history, and there's a fairly unanimous consensus that Biden's presidency has been the 10th best. We all know Trump lives in a self-made fantasyland, and this is further proof of that. 

3 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

My niece is a political science professor at a University in the US, and she said that hundreds of experts across the board have labeled Trump's presidency as being the 43rd worst in history, and there's a fairly unanimous consensus that Biden's presidency has been the 10th best.

 

Have you got a link for that?

4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Have you got a link for that?

I said 2nd worst. They say 3rd worst. Definitely at the bottom of the heap. President Donald Trump is the third-worst president overall, according to U.S. News’ most recent rankings.

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/special-reports/the-worst-presidents/articles/ranking-americas-worst-presidents

36 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Is disparaging Trump your favourite obsession? You seem to spend a lot of time doing that.

 

Trump's assessment of Biden is his own.

Mine too. Horrid little man IMO.

 

This thread is quite entertaining. Trump says something and it becomes full of certain posters posting about the same things they have been posting for the last 7 years. It'd be great if they came up with something new for a change.

No, I think my favorite obsession is calling out idiots on ASEAN. It's a rich field of opportunity, as you are demonstrating.

3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

A good point has been brought up. If Biden is unfit to run for reelection, shouldn't he also be considered unfit to be president.

Easy, does not equate …

36 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Truth doesn't matter. Many will defend Trump no matter what.

Plenty defended Biden, till he was removed from contention. Glass houses and stones comes to mind.

57 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

OK, so we have a rumour about a coversation where 25 (or 14 if you prefer) say Trump didn't say it and 1 person who says he did.

 

Like I said, no more legit than overhearing Issan housewives gossiping over the garden fence. Desperate stuff.  

The Trump idiocracy is seemly devoid of any critical thinking as witnessed by their unswaying belief in the sole word of their master.

The conversion was a private conversation between Kelly and Trump.

Logic and reasoning suggest that it is impossible for 25 individuals to witness evidence of a negative or the nonexistence of a fact, especially if that fact existed unbeknownst to the person.

Also, Occam's razor should reasonably cast doubt on the credibility of a known pathological liar and criminal when contrasted with the testimony of a general who has maintained an unblemished record.

 

19 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

No, I think my favorite obsession is calling out idiots on ASEAN. It's a rich field of opportunity, as you are demonstrating.

You should try something you are better at then. I didn't even realise that was what you were doing.

28 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I said 2nd worst. They say 3rd worst. Definitely at the bottom of the heap. President Donald Trump is the third-worst president overall, according to U.S. News’ most recent rankings.

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/special-reports/the-worst-presidents/articles/ranking-americas-worst-presidents

I take it US News is MSN.

35 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

My niece is a political science professor at a University in the US, and she said that hundreds of experts across the board have labeled Trump's presidency as being the 43rd worst in history, and there's a fairly unanimous consensus that Biden's presidency has been the 10th best. We all know Trump lives in a self-made fantasyland, and this is further proof of that. 

Not really "experts" then. Just people with an opinion, like the rest of us.

37 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

We all know Trump lives in a self-made fantasyland

Actually Trump lives a life of luxury, and if that's a fantasy then I'd like to live in his fantasy world.

15 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You should try something you are better at then. I didn't even realise that was what you were doing.

 

Quod erat demonstrandum!