7 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

How do you put an end to a prolific shoplifter, or someone who constantly breaks into cars or steals motorcycles ? they have to be taken off the streets but here in the UK if your sentenced for a stretch your out half way into your stretch do you think there going to change there way's ? it gets worse for the ones homeless there put up in Hotels. 

I asked what's the solution. You haven't offered one.

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

No, it's not absolutely necessary. But how much of what people consume is actually necessary?

Very little ,  times are changing, there are certain luxuries that people can no longer afford .  Consumerism is a whole new subject for discussion. With all the talk of "the high street"  It seems it is now a way of measuring the economy but how relevant is people buying things they don't  using money they don't have ?    Do 12 year old kids really need £200 training shoes?  or smart phones with greater computing power than that required to send man to the moon?  

 Seems a bit strange to me  that people can be debanked on the whim of the same banks who will offer credit cards to the unemployed

 

The place use to be nice and a good example.   What a sad, horrible country it has become.

21 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Very little ,  times are changing, there are certain luxuries that people can no longer afford .  Consumerism is a whole new subject for discussion. With all the talk of "the high street"  It seems it is now a way of measuring the economy but how relevant is people buying things they don't  using money they don't have ?    Do 12 year old kids really need £200 training shoes?  or smart phones with greater computing power than that required to send man to the moon?  

 Seems a bit strange to me  that people can be debanked on the whim of the same banks who will offer credit cards to the unemployed

 

Be careful? You're beginning to sound like a Socialist.

41 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Several senior police officers themselves have admitted to the existence of 2 tier policing, 

Have they? Have they really? Please provide a link to these statements from "senior police officers".

I'm really hoping you're not going to post a link to a completely anonymous caller to a right wing TV show on GBNews. You have better evidence than that, surely.

7 hours ago, thesetat2013 said:

Seriously though, why are they not looking at making prison camps like they do in Nevada. Tent cities in the desert filled with prisoners who are not dangerous and have less time

 

good idea. do it on buckingham palace grounds!!!

Did someone forget to build some prisons?

 

 

 

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

It may be obvious to you, but what's the solution? 

The death sentence for anyone who is/has been convicted, with irrefutable evidence, of murder, paedophilia and serious sex offences.

Just now, youreavinalaff said:

The death sentence for anyone who is/has been convicted, with irrefutable evidence, of murder, paedophilia and serious sex offences.

An irreversible punishment on the basis of fallible justice.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Overturned_convictions_in_England
 

Perhaps treating drug users rather than jailing them might be a good place to start.

 

Or even building the prisons the nation needs before the existing prisons are over full.

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Or even building the prisons the nation needs before the existing prisons are over full.

 

   Will Labour be building new prisons to stop over crowding in the future ?

4 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

Another example of "broken Britain"   

                          A country so far down the road of decline that it cannot afford to,      Take care of its sick people , cannot afford a decent old age pension for the elderly,  cannot afford to run any sort of an efficient public transport system,  Cannot guarantee to keep the lights on during winter,  cannot maintain the highways to a decent standard, cannot afford enough prisons to house criminals,  and is up to its neck in debt.  (etc etc etc)

                          Yet for reasons that can only be contrary to any form of common sense,  Hands out money like confetti by way of foreign aid, even to countries like China, India and Nigeria.   Sends billions of pounds worth of military hardware to countries like Ukraine,   and currently agrees to accept illegal migrants whom it treats much better than its own citizens

                           And to think "Great" Britain once ran an empire that covered most of the world,   Where on earth did it all go wrong?    I don't think we need to look any further than the  incompetant self serving and corrupt politicians. The current left wing versus right wing  arguments that we hear daily is nothing more than a distraction  designed to keep the electorate arguing amongst themselves and to prevent them realising what a disaster is unfolding,   

                           God only knows how bad things are going to get in the future, Its sad to say it , but I am glad to be in the autumn of my life as opposed to the spring

                            Anybody feeling the same way and considering making a similar comment should do so sooner rather than later as it wont belong before such behaviour will land one in serious trouble

                            

Brilliant post.I don't hate my country yet but i absolutely detest Starmer and his cronies for the way he is treating the white working class.I'd swing for that bastaard.

30 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

An irreversible punishment on the basis of fallible justice.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Overturned_convictions_in_England
 

Perhaps treating drug users rather than jailing them might be a good place to start.

 

Or even building the prisons the nation needs before the existing prisons are over full.

You clearly, not for the first time, are suffering from selective reading.

20 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Will Labour be building new prisons to stop over crowding in the future ?

 

It would seem so:
 

https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/government-plans-to-ease-prison-capacity-pressure-and-manage-the-needs-of-vulnerable-prisoners/

 

4 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

You clearly, not for the first time, are suffering from selective reading.

Very clearly, I am not.

 

Perhaps you yourself misunderstood my post.

 

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

It would seem so:
 

https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/government-plans-to-ease-prison-capacity-pressure-and-manage-the-needs-of-vulnerable-prisoners/

 

 

   Labour seem to be doing quite well at the moment .

40 000 new NHS staff 

More Immigration staff

New prisons and staff 

Repaying the 20 Billion GBP "Black hole" .

 

   Have Labour stated how all this will be paid for ?

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Very clearly, I am not.

 

Perhaps you yourself misunderstood my post.

 

No. I didn't misunderstand.

 

The contradiction was obvious.

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Labour seem to be doing quite well at the moment .

40 000 new NHS staff 

More Immigration staff

New prisons and staff 

Repaying the 20 Billion GBP "Black hole" .

 

   Have Labour stated how all this will be paid for ?

I expect that will be explained in the Autumn budget.

Just now, youreavinalaff said:

No. I didn't misunderstand.

 

The contradiction was obvious.

Explain this contradiction to me then.

 

Give it you best go.

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Labour seem to be doing quite well at the moment .

40 000 new NHS staff 

More Immigration staff

New prisons and staff 

Repaying the 20 Billion GBP "Black hole" .

 

   Have Labour stated how all this will be paid for ?

How about the health secretary contradicting his leader by saying throwing new staff at the NHS isn't the answer?

Some background from The Howard League:

 

https://howardleague.org/why-are-prisons-overcrowded/

I guess this is what the left wing socialist British voted for, I hope they enjoy their mayhem.

6 minutes ago, Keep Right said:

I guess this is what the left wing socialist British voted for, I hope they enjoy their mayhem.

Prisons were already overcrowded and prisoners were already being released early before the election.

 

 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps treating drug users rather than jailing them might be a good place to start.

 

Or perhaps fining people for stupid FaceBook posts rather than jailing them?

 

But I guess that wouldn't terrify people into silence...

Just now, JonnyF said:

 

Or perhaps fining people for stupid FaceBook posts rather than jailing them?

 

But I guess that wouldn't terrify people into silence...

Misrepresenting the actual reasons why these ‘martyrs’ of yours were jailed again Jonny.

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Misrepresenting the actual reasons why these ‘martyrs’ of yours were jailed again Jonny.

 

Not martyrs of mine Chomps, that's just another silly strawman but I know you find it hard to resist such banality. Just people making stupid posts on FaceBook from their living rooms.

 

If you think making room for them in jail by releasing rapists and drug dealers is a good idea then I can only assume you do not live in the areas where these released individuals will reside. 

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Labour seem to be doing quite well at the moment .

40 000 new NHS staff 

More Immigration staff

New prisons and staff 

Repaying the 20 Billion GBP "Black hole" .

 

   Have Labour stated how all this will be paid for ?

 

It's weird how they use the answer "£22bn black hole" as their tedious answer to every single question, yet when the financial times asked for some details about this they now don't want to talk about it.   

 

https://www.ft.com/content/7f686444-7036-4efc-82c5-971b0f3929fa

 

"The UK Treasury is refusing to provide key details of the £22bn fiscal “black hole” that chancellor Rachel Reeves claims to have discovered, with officials insisting they need more time to ensure the figures are accurate."

30 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Not martyrs of mine Chomps, that's just another silly strawman but I know you find it hard to resist such banality. Just people making stupid posts on FaceBook from their living rooms.

 

If you think making room for them in jail by releasing rapists and drug dealers is a good idea then I can only assume you do not live in the areas where these released individuals will reside. 

Perhaps the far right wingers with whom you sympathize should have obeyed the law.

 

Prisoners were already being released before the election, refer Howard League link above.

Maybe someone didn’t build the prisons the nation needs.

 

 

 

9 hours ago, thesetat2013 said:

 

Seriously though, why are they not looking at making prison camps like they do in Nevada. Tent cities in the desert filled with prisoners who are not dangerous and have less time. Rather than dumping them into the streets without money or jobs. How do they think these prisoners will be able to live without commiting more crime. 

 

You raise a valid concern, however, your suggested solution is a No-Go.

 

The UK, especially England, is a densely populated nation and unused land is at a premium.  Irrespective of any other considerations, we simply lack the space to build US style prison camps away from populated areas.

i though this was quite good, it is satire for those certain people that take everything too seriously and don't seem to understand what humour  s

 

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/qDeSc8z1v6WhSfDZ/

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps the far right wingers with whom you sympathize should have obeyed the law.

 

Prisoners were already being released before the election, refer Howard League link above.

Maybe someone didn’t build the prisons the nation needs.

 

 

 

The biggest recent rise in the prison population happened when it doubled mid nineties to 2012.

 

Someone should have built prisons during those times.