There were certainly some classic moments, nobody knew that populations of dogs were being stir fried, and cats were being served breaded, and devoured in the Midwest by hungry and unruly immigrant populations. 

 

Stir fried dogs and cats?

Israel will no longer exist 24 months after she takes office?

I will end the war in Ukraine, possibly even before I take office. Dictators are wonderful. 

 

She baited him, and he swallowed hook, line and sinker. What a goon. What a fool. He not only lost the debate, he got bloodied, and knocked out cold, in the first 5 minutes. He was struggling for oxygen. He was flailing. He deserved to lose. 

 

Of course he won't accept another debate why would he? 

 

If Trump and Vance went home, locked themselves up, and did not say anything, or appear again until the election, they would have a better chance of winning. Otherwise, they shoot themselves in the foot daily, as they are both horrendously poor candidates and campaigners. And Vance really needs to avoid donut shops, and Trump really needs do avoid all contact with the military. They despise him, for many good

reasons. 

 

Anyone but Trump. 

 

 

 

12 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Your last line.....presumably as these debate rules are tied down well beforehand they were correct in pulling Trump up for his lies?........but your response would be that they were not even handed in that respect??

 

 

 

 

The way the debate rules were written ABC did not disclose that they would have the moderators interrupt every so often with fact checks at their sole discretion and even debate with the candidates on air. They had written the moderators would ensure the debate would be civilized, correct me if I'm wrong. And the moderators then interpreted that as giving total freedom to "fact check".

 

I will say, the moderators did make an efffort at impartiality, they mentioned Harris' flip flops on fracking, they mentioned she supported Bernie Sanders initiative to kill private health care. However, when it came to fact checking they clearly were far more heavy handed with Trump and called him out more often. Not sure if this was a gender thing or because Trump's lies were more saucy, like the pet thing, but clearly it was not even handed.

 

Having said that both candiates still had ample time to speak. And I do think Trump came off as more genuine and passionate and virile, but also fairly self controlled. It was a good peformance in parts. Howeve, marred by his pet gaffe, and his incessant talking about his own record, when he should have made the point at the end more often: Harris was in the white house for 3 and half years and did nothing.

 

Despite Harris smirking, posturing, laughing and pretending to be a statesman, the only things she did well was to not answer questions, waffle on and drone on about things nobody remembers, plus putting Trump on the spot constantly for his past behaviour. Rather defend himself each time Trump should have talked about her.,

3 minutes ago, xylophone said:

He can and will be "more stupid" because that is the way he is and has always been, only now his mental decline is there for all to see........and is getting worse!

Well there is plenty of stupid left to spout but he would be more controlled a second time.

 

His biggest problem is that he cannot talk about his policy plans because everyone hates them. He also cannot talk on his record because everyone hates what he did.

13 hours ago, RSD1 said:

I think there is a very good chance that Harris will pardon him to help end divisions and reunite the country. It’s most likely his best play at this point. 

Perhaps OK if the pardon specifically says he cannot comment further, not one word, on the court result, on the judge, the jury etc. And not one word on the election results.

 

A total gag and if he breaks that gag instant mandatory 30 years in jail.

52 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Perhaps OK if the pardon specifically says he cannot comment further, not one word, on the court result, on the judge, the jury etc. And not one word on the election results.

 

A total gag and if he breaks that gag instant mandatory 30 years in jail.

I do not see a criminal prosecutor pardoning him.

Trump will win, he is actually doing better in all polls than where he was at this time in 2016 and 2020, by several points.

6 minutes ago, Chosenfew said:

Trump will win, he is actually doing better in all polls than where he was at this time in 2016 and 2020, by several points.

Trump is going to underperform significantly. He is losing in the polls now and the MAGA wives are pissed too.

45 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Trump is going to underperform significantly. He is losing in the polls now and the MAGA wives are pissed too.

 

I'm sure JD's wife doesn't appreciate people joking that Usha is Hindi for sexually frustrated wife.

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

The way the debate rules were written ABC did not disclose that they would have the moderators interrupt every so often with fact checks at their sole discretion and even debate with the candidates on air. They had written the moderators would ensure the debate would be civilized, correct me if I'm wrong. And the moderators then interpreted that as giving total freedom to "fact check".

 

I will say, the moderators did make an efffort at impartiality, they mentioned Harris' flip flops on fracking, they mentioned she supported Bernie Sanders initiative to kill private health care. However, when it came to fact checking they clearly were far more heavy handed with Trump and called him out more often. Not sure if this was a gender thing or because Trump's lies were more saucy, like the pet thing, but clearly it was not even handed.

 

Having said that both candiates still had ample time to speak. And I do think Trump came off as more genuine and passionate and virile, but also fairly self controlled. It was a good peformance in parts. Howeve, marred by his pet gaffe, and his incessant talking about his own record, when he should have made the point at the end more often: Harris was in the white house for 3 and half years and did nothing.

 

Despite Harris smirking, posturing, laughing and pretending to be a statesman, the only things she did well was to not answer questions, waffle on and drone on about things nobody remembers, plus putting Trump on the spot constantly for his past behaviour. Rather defend himself each time Trump should have talked about her.,

Wrong. As a debate performer she did a masterful job of baiting the goon. He then went off, and displayed his insanity and inability to focus. 

15 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

 

I'm sure JD's wife doesn't appreciate people joking that Usha is Hindi for sexually frustrated wife.

Got to pity his wife. Her mascara probably goes missing on a daily basis when JD is around.

13 hours ago, G_Money said:

What is fiction about it?

 

Trump had to agree to THEIR terms or no debate.

 

Classic liberal whining.

 

The only ones whining here are the narcissist and his legion of codependents. 

15 hours ago, still kicking said:

Porn is illegal in LOS

How can that be? I’ve met countless Thai women with their name having porn in it. Siriporn, Chanthiporn, Kanokporn, Nattaporn, Supaporn, Sasiporn, Ketsaraporn, Montiporn, Woraniporn, and Chayaporn to name a few. 

1 minute ago, sabaijai said:

 

The only ones whining here are the narcissist and his legion of codependents. 

You mean adult diaper codependents?

19 minutes ago, FriscoKid said:

You mean adult diaper codependents?

Probably just the ear pad codependents.

11 hours ago, G_Money said:

As I and several others have said before.  Completely biased debate.  Even Davis admits.

 

 

Trump … they are killing babies after they are born. We stay neutral in the face of blatant lies? It is not “equal” when one participant is a known and documented liar. An I bias against his lies … yep.

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Unfortunately the "debate" was heavy on fact distortion and outright lies. From both sides.

 

Trump accusing Biden and Harris of causing inflation was distortion and a lie, because even the most superficially informed person would have been aware that inflation was a global problem. He could have outlined the measures taken by them made inflation worse. But he claimed they caused inflation which nobody in their right mind would believe.

 

Harris claimed Trump was responsible for the pandemic, which frankly was outright ludicrous. She was not called on it, presumably because the lie was so obvious. Just like with Trump's inflation charge.

 

Trump lied about Harris being a Marxist. He was not called on it. She's left and liberal, obviously not a marxist. 

 

Harris claimed Agenda 2025 was Trump's agenda. A complete utter lie she was not called on. Even though she made the allegation several times.

 

Trump claimed Ukraine and the Israel wars would not have started with him in power, if not an outright lie still extremely implausible.

 

Harris claimed Trump opposed IVF, a total lie. Not called on it.

 

Trump claimed they sent Kamala Harris to negotiate peace between Ukraine and Russia days before the war. They wouldn't have sent Kamala Harris to negotiate peace in a Kindergarten. She was sent to meet Zelensky to give him intelligence and promises of weaons, to ensure the war would happen because American wanted the war to weaken Russia. Another lie Trump was not callled on.

 

Kamala harris claimed she always supported private health care. This even after the moderator told her she supported Bernie Sanders push to abolish private medical health care. A blatant lie. Not callled.

 

Trump claimed China paid Biden millions of dollars. News to me.

 

Anyway. Trump was in control until the pet faux pas. He was called out. Then he seemed to debate more with David Muir than with Harris. Both the moderators and Harris made a concerted effort to make the debate about Trump's past record, the capitol, the court cases, and Trump obliged each time. He should have made it  more about her, like he did that in the last exchange where Trump was brilliant and clearly won the exchange. 

 

But he was floundering for 45 minutes before that waffling about his own past behaviour, which was not helpful. That's why I say it was a tie, because Trump won the beginning and the end, and Harris won the middle by deflecting all questions and instead getting Trump to talk about his own issues.

 

The intervention of the moderators was absolutely extraordinary though, you really would have thought it's the ABC moderator vs Trump debate at one point, not the presidential debate.

Kamala did not say that "Trump was responsible for the pandemic".

You must've been watching the Simpsons.

The orange moron though was responsible for the response to the pandemic in that it was late and slow, resulting in 10s of thousands of preventable deaths.

"Could they be injected with disinfectant?"

5 minutes ago, Red Forever said:

Kamala did not say that "Trump was responsible for the pandemic".

You must've been watching the Simpsons.

The orange moron though was responsible for the response to the pandemic in that it was late and slow, resulting in 10s of thousands of preventable deaths.

"Could they be injected with disinfectant?"

And more importantly, ant-vax statements that resulted in very high refusal rates and corresponding deaths. After the vaccine was released, almost all of the covid deaths were MAGA vaccine deniers. Good job by the stable genius to kill his on supporters.

17 hours ago, RSD1 said:

Sounds like the old codger has come to his senses and is calling it quits. Most likely he's worried about another debate loss and doesn't want to wreck another one of his gold dipped diapers in the process. What a shame, I was really looking forward to Kamala triggering and tying him up in knots again. Meanwhile, Harris said she would welcome a second debate (according to the Yahoo link below). This further reaffirms who won and who lost. From Trump’s Truth Social post linked below: “THERE WILL BE NO THIRD DEBATE!

 

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/113126153368079486

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-harris-second-2024-presidential-debate/
 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-wont-debate-harris-135741008.html
 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-says-wont-participate-presidential-debates-harris-rcna170905

 

His closing statement won the debate she offered nothing in her losing statement and that’s why Trump will win pointless having another debate as she will repeat what she already said which was insult after insult 

42 minutes ago, crazykopite said:

His closing statement won the debate she offered nothing in her losing statement and that’s why Trump will win pointless having another debate as she will repeat what she already said which was insult after insult 

You must have watched a different debate. His closing was the best part for him, the rest, he looked like a dishonest fool.

3 hours ago, Chosenfew said:

Trump will win, he is actually doing better in all polls than where he was at this time in 2016 and 2020, by several points.

I just love how you back up your claims with links to cold hard facts - bravo!

4 hours ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Well there is plenty of stupid left to spout but he would be more controlled a second time.

 

His biggest problem is that he cannot talk about his policy plans because everyone hates them. He also cannot talk on his record because everyone hates what he did.

 

I don't know.  I was kind of liking the Trump years, though not the mean tweets.  The Biden/Harris years, not so much. 

 

It's going to take decades and cost $trillions to fix the damage from rampant unvetted immigration and the Green New Deal.  And that's if the Biden term Russian military exercise and Iran shenanigans don't go nuclear.  There's no fixing that damage.

 

1 hour ago, crazykopite said:

His closing statement won the debate she offered nothing in her losing statement and that’s why Trump will win pointless having another debate as she will repeat what she already said which was insult after insult 

his closing statement was drivel she won the debate he is a coward so won't agree to another debate did you see how orange he was telling the truth isn't insulting unless you're a snowflake I think I'll get myself a cup of water how are you

12 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

You obviously have a slightly different point of view than I.

 

Trump is a winner.

 

And, Americans LOVE a Winner.

 

This is why.....

Trump....

Will Win.....Again....

In November.

 

 

 

It's spelled whiner. He's the greatest ever at that.

2 hours ago, Red Forever said:

Kamala did not say that "Trump was responsible for the pandemic".

 

 

Yes, that's exactly what Kamala Harris said. We know since we have transcripts:

 

"Donald Trump left us the worst public health epidemic in a century."

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542

 

 

Vote for your favourite Dictator out of 2 candidates, be careful the UK has now got Comrade Starmer as the other lot gave up.

Still that's democracy or is it.

 

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Wrong. As a debate performer she did a masterful job of baiting the goon. He then went off, and displayed his insanity and inability to focus. 

 

Not really. Trump just made a pet gaffe, had the moderators pile in on him and focused too much on defending his own record. Because he waffled about irrelevant stuff, he let Harris' off the hook for her own waffling about anything but the question she was asked.

 

Q: "Why did you change your position on fracking?"

 

A: "My values have not changed".

 

Okay then, real masterful performance. Great answer.

 

True answer: Because I want to get votes any way possible, I have no principles and no policies anyway. I just want to be president.

 

 

there is a channel on youtube I like to watch which shows US political cartoons on a number of topics, of course most are about US politics. the channel's name is "Laughter".

 

cartoons from all political sides are shown, and I noticed a significant difference between pro-MAGA cartoons and others. the pro-MAGA cartoons aren't subtle, often fail to be funny, feel forced and seem primitive. I think they are a good reflection of the actual politics they are caricaturing.

15 hours ago, G_Money said:

We certainly have different opinions.  I’m sticking with mine.

 

I guarantee she would not agree to a Trump terms debate.  You know that as well.

 

Let’s say Fox network.  Hannity and Meagan Kelly as mods.  I think that’s fair given the past two debates Trump had.

 

Do you agree that would be fair?

I think it would be fair.

 

After all, he lost the debate badly because he's a one trick pony spewing inarticulate hate and lies.  He would do the same regardless of the venue.

Hannity for one tried to help him save face once and he blew that one out his a** . He'll do it again without doubt.

Then he will be without any defense except to claim Faux news is biased, so that's what he would do, looking all the more a fool.

I wouldn't vote for him if he were running for village idiot.

17 hours ago, RSD1 said:

Deluded pulp fiction.

Yes you are, deluded!

14 hours ago, DougieMax said:

Harris's rallies are stacked with paid attendees who arrive in buses and the coverage is limited.

 

 

Looking forward to your evidence.......though not holding my breath.