On Poor People & Rushing

[JimTripper]

I am interested in why less affluent people tend to rush more. Wealthy people tend to take their time and are very patient. Have you found this to be the case in your dealings? Is it because poor people have less, so by deduction think rushing will bring a desired result more quickly? Or, because they are anxious to get results right away because nothing is saved up for emergencies?

 

Counter-intuitively I have found that rushing actually gets things done less well and quickly then having patience. One of the reasons for this may be that things are overlooked and mistakes made due to lack of thought and due consideration before acting.

 

Thoughts?

[Nick Carter icp]

I have just read this post and I will reply in good time, I will reply about Christmas time, see you then 

[1FinickyOne]

25 minutes ago, JimTripper said:

I am interested in why less affluent people tend to rush more.

haven't seen that at all - maybe the opposite. In the village, the poor people have not much to do so they may sit for hours chatting at the local 30 baht soup place. 

[scubascuba3]

I've not noticed that, slow thinkers, move slowly, slow golfers are annoying as are slow walkers

[Gandtee]

I'll have to think about it.😴

[Fat is a type of crazy]

Often the rushers think they are special in some way - important, wealthy, or whatever. Or they are tall like me and walk fast and look back to find their girlfriend 300 metres away. 

[stoner]

time = money

 

 

[captainjackS]

the fastest impatient drivers i see on the road are often in expensive "wealthy people" cars.  The second fastest and impatient group are teenage boys on modified motorbikes.  

[Will B Good]

2 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

I've not noticed that, slow thinkers, move slowly, slow golfers are annoying as are slow walkers

 

 

Slow golfers should be shot (admin...that's a joke). A sniper on the second or third hole would be ideal.

 

Would they be a movable object....free drop?

[atpeace]

I think you are confusing affluent with intelligent people.  Intelligent people seem to not looked rushed nor stumble through conversations.  Not all but most.  Not sure but think I might be somewhere in the functionally stupid realm.  

[BangkokReady]

The link below explains it a little, I think.  I remember hearing something somewhere about the concept of poor people never having anything so they don't really think about things in a long-term way.  I guess because they aren't used to getting anything good through waiting (or at all) because they're deprived, so they don't do delayed gratification well.  I think maybe it was that they were so used to not having anything, the idea that they might have something in the future, through waiting, was kind of a foreign concept.  It was more to do with money, but I guess time could be thought of in the same way.  It's all about waiting.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/21/linda-tirado-poverty-hand-to-mouth-extract

[hotandsticky]

1 minute ago, BangkokReady said:

The link below explains it a little, I think.  I remember hearing something somewhere about the concept of poor people never having anything so they don't really think about things in a long-term way.  I guess because they aren't used to getting anything good through waiting (or at all) because they're deprived, so they don't do delayed gratification well.  I think maybe it was that they were so used to not having anything, the idea that they might have something in the future, through waiting, was kind of a foreign concept.  It was more to do with money, but I guess time could be thought of in the same way.  It's all about waiting.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/21/linda-tirado-poverty-hand-to-mouth-extract

 

 

= subsistence economy, as promoted by the Chakri dynasty for decades.,.....

[Chris Daley]

They lack intelligence so they can only think in the immediate moment.  People that are more intelligent can plan 10 steps ahead if not years into future.

 

Dumbass:  Do the rushing now.  Do it good.

 

Intelligent person:  I finished all my work last week.  I will grab a coffee on the way.

[JimTripper]

54 minutes ago, Chris Daley said:

They lack intelligence so they can only think in the immediate moment.  People that are more intelligent can plan 10 steps ahead if not years into future.

 

Dumbass:  Do the rushing now.  Do it good.

 

Intelligent person:  I finished all my work last week.  I will grab a coffee on the way.

Also, quickly snatching at things because they have been trained in the past to see it being taken away. Or, eating very quickly because the food might not be there tomorrow. Grabbing and hoarding groceries because someone else may get them.

 

Aggressive Walmart shoppers with huge carts full or groceries when the food stamps arrive once a month (common in the USA to buy everything the first few days and go on a binge, then run out before the end of the month).

 

People with more have not had that experience of lack so they don't see it disappearing.

[georgegeorgia]

9 hours ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Often the rushers think they are special in some way - important, wealthy, or whatever. Or they are tall like me and walk fast and look back to find their girlfriend 300 metres away. 

Tall with a big head 

[scubascuba3]

11 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

I've not noticed that, slow thinkers, move slowly, slow golfers are annoying as are slow walkers

I'd like them to put a notice up in markets, "Slow walkers are banned" 

[JimTripper]

8 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

I'd like them to put a notice up in markets, "Slow walkers are banned" 

Do you rush when you have sex? Or do your partners rush you?

[scubascuba3]

2 hours ago, JimTripper said:

Do you rush when you have sex? Or do your partners rush you?

are you fishing for videos?

[JimTripper]

2 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

are you fishing for videos?

Time is money.

[saintdomingo]

On 9/14/2024 at 10:32 PM, Chris Daley said:

They lack intelligence so they can only think in the immediate moment.

There is a lot in this, particularly point 2.

The lack of intelligence can also refer to lack of experience, I am thinking of specific instances here.

[Gottfrid]

On 9/14/2024 at 5:00 PM, scubascuba3 said:

I've not noticed that, slow thinkers, move slowly, slow golfers are annoying as are slow walkers

That was too much a little bit too quick for me.

[ModdaPunk]

On 9/14/2024 at 9:28 AM, JimTripper said:

why less affluent people tend to rush more

 

You obviously don't live in Thailand :D

[JimTripper]

2 hours ago, ModdaPunk said:

You obviously don't live in Thailand 😄

I haved lived here over 10 years. This is where I developed my theory about it, along with other Asian countries including Vietnam.

 

Are you not seeing rushing & impatience where you are?

 

Don't mistake not getting things done and laziness for patience. They are very different. Someone can move slowly, but still have a rushed, cluttered & inpatient mind.

[Lacessit]

On 9/14/2024 at 7:24 PM, Will B Good said:

 

 

Slow golfers should be shot (admin...that's a joke). A sniper on the second or third hole would be ideal.

 

Would they be a movable object....free drop?

If you played behind a group of 6-8 Thais, Japanese, or Koreans here, you'd need a machine gun.

[ModdaPunk]

28 minutes ago, JimTripper said:

Don't mistake not getting things done and laziness for patience. They are very different. Someone can move slowly, but still have a rushed, cluttered & inpatient mind.

 

I think I get it now.

I would agree to a certain extent.

It's probably a lack of education.

People don't really know how to organize things properly here.

They don't really know how to improvised either.

So yeah...

[Will B Good]

20 hours ago, Lacessit said:

If you played behind a group of 6-8 Thais, Japanese, or Koreans here, you'd need a machine gun.

 

Only had to suffer that once.....never again.

[JimTripper]

On 9/19/2024 at 10:11 PM, ModdaPunk said:

I think I get it now.

I would agree to a certain extent.

It's probably a lack of education.

People don't really know how to organize things properly here.

They don't really know how to improvised either.

So yeah...

Another part of it is fluid interpersonal boundries. Someone else's problem becomes their problem relatively easily and vise versa. I see this all over, most obviously with money issues. It's like problems are never truly owned, but deflected off onto other people and situations.

 

It's not strictly an Asian thing. Happens all over. It's extremely common in crowded and stressful environments (or situations where people are broke with financial difficulties).

 

Can be seen strongly in prison settings. People can't "own" their situation and difficulties, so they find the nearest target. Strangely, the perfect target always seems to appear and make themselves available at just the right time.

 

Perhaps starts with just a telling of their problems then gradually a target strangely "absorbs" someone else's problem, thereby granting the projector a degree of relief.

 

This results in a confused and impatient mind because the target is trying to deal with irritants they are not able to screen out for some reason. It also suggest rushing because there is "too much on their plate" (they may be trying to solve someone else's problems, not just their own).

 

Group therapy regarding boundries can restore a calm and collected mindset as the individual learns to set boundries regarding other people problems and the absorbtion of negative interpersonal energy.

[ModdaPunk]

1 hour ago, JimTripper said:

Another part of it is fluid interpersonal boundries. Someone else's problem becomes their problem relatively easily and vise versa. I see this all over, most obviously with money issues. It's like problems are never truly owned, but deflected off onto other people and situations.

 

It's not strictly an Asian thing. Happens all over. It's extremely common in crowded and stressful environments (or situations where people are broke with financial difficulties).

 

Can be seen strongly in prison settings. People can't "own" their situation and difficulties, so they find the nearest target. Strangely, the perfect target always seems to appear and make themselves available at just the right time.

 

Perhaps starts with just a telling of their problems then gradually a target strangely "absorbs" someone else's problem, thereby granting the projector a degree of relief.

 

This results in a confused and impatient mind because the target is trying to deal with irritants they are not able to screen out for some reason. It also suggest rushing because there is "too much on their plate" (they may be trying to solve someone else's problems, not just their own).

 

Group therapy regarding boundries can restore a calm and collected mindset as the individual learns to set boundries regarding other people problems and the absorbtion of negative interpersonal energy.

 

What you call "fluid interpersonal boundries" seems to be a component of the broader concept of empathy. We are all like that, at least to a degree. I would say it's part of being a social animal.

 

I don't know about prisons but in Thailand "fluid interpersonal boundries" seems to be nurtured by the culture. Thai society - at least in its traditional form - emphasizes the importance of collectivism and nationalism. The "what happens to one of us happens to all of us" mentality probably emerges from the kind of education people get here. Would be interesting to try and find out if young people are as fluid as their elders.

 

Now for the link between the concept of "fluid interpersonal boundries" and being confused and impatient, I don't know what to say. To be honest this hypothesis would require some serious investigation and testing. My guess would be that it's probably more complicated than that with multiple factors at play - some biological (like brain chemistry), some cultural (like education) and other psychological (like life experiences or traumas).

 

I think our species was more or less forced to operate this way. For thousands of years, we relied on each other for our survival and so the idea that "today you share my burden and tomorrow I'll share yours" is probably part of the many strategies that we've developed to last as long as possible.

 

At the end of the day "fluid interpersonal boundries" might be something that you find in every environment where humans struggle due to poverty, violence, etc... Surviving prisons without friends for example might be harder.

 

Just my 2 cents on this :))

[JimTripper]

8 hours ago, ModdaPunk said:

What you call "fluid interpersonal boundries" seems to be a component of the broader concept of empathy. We are all like that, at least to a degree. I would say it's part of being a social animal.

 

I don't know about prisons but in Thailand "fluid interpersonal boundries" seems to be nurtured by the culture. Thai society - at least in its traditional form - emphasizes the importance of collectivism and nationalism. The "what happens to one of us happens to all of us" mentality probably emerges from the kind of education people get here. Would be interesting to try and find out if young people are as fluid as their elders.

 

Now for the link between the concept of "fluid interpersonal boundries" and being confused and impatient, I don't know what to say. To be honest this hypothesis would require some serious investigation and testing. My guess would be that it's probably more complicated than that with multiple factors at play - some biological (like brain chemistry), some cultural (like education) and other psychological (like life experiences or traumas).

 

I think our species was more or less forced to operate this way. For thousands of years, we relied on each other for our survival and so the idea that "today you share my burden and tomorrow I'll share yours" is probably part of the many strategies that we've developed to last as long as possible.

 

At the end of the day "fluid interpersonal boundries" might be something that you find in every environment where humans struggle due to poverty, violence, etc... Surviving prisons without friends for example might be harder.

 

Just my 2 cents on this :))

When I lived rural I thought it was "easier" to live alone.

 

Not 100%, I still needed food and water, vehicle repairs, etc, but it was once now and again traveling into town and a short transaction.

 

Notably, all these social apps and messages on the phone were absent as well. I had a phone but it was just for calls and texts. That's a constant distraction for attention that I think leads to the type rushing and confusion I'm referring to. The social aspect of people being able to distract you with messages on these apps at any time.

[ModdaPunk]

6 hours ago, JimTripper said:

That's a constant distraction for attention that I think leads to the type rushing and confusion I'm referring to. The social aspect of people being able to distract you with messages on these apps at any time.

 

You're absolutely right.

Hyper-socialization (or whatever it's called), is a cancer of the mind.

I'm just like you. I don't use social media apps.

This forum is about the only online place I post on.