1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Can you share with us a second instance of kind words he had for Harris? What makes this news is that Trump for once didn't behave badly. That's quite a low bar he's just cleared.

 

He even said it was very nice AND we appreciate it.

 

Such a magnanimous man, clearly the wood that great statesmen are made of.

 

To defend Harris against all the boos of his supporters, you could not help but think "Here is an American".

 

Beautiful.

 

 

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

He even said it was very nice AND we appreciate it.

 

Such a magnanimous man, clearly the wood that great statesmen are made of.

 

To defend Harris against all the boos of his supporters, you could not help but think "Here is an American".

 

Beautiful.

 

 

I believe you could count all such instances of his politesse towards his opponent on one hand. Even if that hand had only one finger.

He tried to overthrow the US government. He should have been hung. 

 

I'm just so looking forward to him going down in flames in November and then...goodbye forever. The long sad story of this POS will end. 

14 minutes ago, Chadnik said:

 

She has no policy and she has no points dude. Whatever is manufactured for her it's manufactured for her.

 

She's absolutely vodkas. A deer in the headlights. She will be propped up that entire term if she makes it in office it will be frightening

 

She's not a politician. She's never won an election. She knows

 

NOTHING

11 minutes ago, Chadnik said:

 

Whatever

 

Time for some beers

 

 

She's just a pawn for the blob. She's no politician I just never won an election in your life. We'll see gabbard took her apart in the debate for years ago.

 

Nothing vaccus

11 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And still, all you can offer is insults instead of addressing policy issues. 

All facts, nothing insulting about the truth unless of course one is incapable of accepting the truth and is personally offended by it due to an irreversible investment in a flawed ideology.

Just now, novacova said:

All facts, nothing insulting about the truth unless of course one is incapable of accepting the truth and is personally offended by it due to an irreversible investment.

There's nothing insulting about the truth if you can back it up with facts and arguments. But if all you've got to offer are insults without such backup then all they are is insulting and otherwise empty.

 

 

On 9/18/2024 at 12:09 PM, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Plus he is going to 'drain the swamp' when he is elected POTUS

Last time he just relocated "the swamp" to the White House.  That was much more convenient for him.

17 minutes ago, novacova said:

All facts, nothing insulting about the truth unless of course one is incapable of accepting the truth and is personally offended by it due to an irreversible investment in a flawed ideology.

Sorry. If you're accusing me of being some sort of AI bot or I don't know what. I use speech to text. I happen to be bouncing about the city in the last hour on foot and don't have my reading glasses on

 

Sorry if some of that's just gibberish

22 minutes ago, Pinot said:

He tried to overthrow the US government. He should have been hung. 

 

I'm just so looking forward to him going down in flames in November and then...goodbye forever. The long sad story of this POS will end. 

 

Lol

 

We're coming back with torches and pitchforks

27 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I believe you could count all such instances of his politesse towards his opponent on one hand. Even if that hand had only one finger.

 

It's a very caustic world now. He's a good fit for what we've become as a nation.

 

Tell it to the 500k ukrainians lost their lives and all the US serviceman died on the Afghanistan pull out. No worries Biden's hanging out on the beach enjoying himself and Kamala having herself a drink or two or three or six

 

38 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I believe you could count all such instances of his politesse towards his opponent on one hand. Even if that hand had only one finger.

 

It is a shame both are not more cordial with each other. I think Trump probably gained more voters by his magnanimous comments about Kamala than from previous 45000 attacks.

 

 

21 minutes ago, Chadnik said:

Sorry. If you're accusing me of being some sort of AI bot or I don't know what.

It was in response to ph.

22 minutes ago, Chadnik said:

I use speech to text.

I dare not use 

45 minutes ago, placeholder said:

There's nothing insulting about the truth if you can back it up with facts and arguments. But if all you've got to offer are insults without such backup then all they are is insulting and otherwise empty.

 

 

What is it that @Chadnik said was insulting? Personally I have said Harris is a airhead, never said it her personally, so no insult to her, just about her and I’m sure Harris can care less because she knows she’s a political target. She can take it, why can’t you?

On 9/18/2024 at 12:09 PM, TroubleandGrumpy said:

I have never met the man but that does not stop me from going to social media to say he is great.

I think it's best to line up your emotional support team now.  Your heart will eventually be broken.... hopefully before you're squished under the bus like many others who were besotted.

A flame post has been removed, if you can’t be more constructive than personal abuse you comments will be removed.

On 9/18/2024 at 12:09 PM, TroubleandGrumpy said:

I have never met the man but that does not stop me from going to social media to say he is great.

 

The man is flawed but his message and values and policies are great for USA and the World.

 

He is essentially 'anti-woke' and 'anti-globalist' and 'anti-progressive liberal' and 'anti-radical minority groups' who are tearing down western values and morals.

Plus he is going to 'drain the swamp' when he is elected POTUS - he was distracted and fooled last time - but this time he will hit the ground running and take them down.

Trying to get the alligators to voluntarily leave the swamp was foolish - the only solution is to drain the swamp and then permanently remove them. 

He is going to make Javier Milei (Argentina) look like a librarian - Trump is going to tear it all down so that they can never again re-buiild it.

 

Sure - if you are a woke liberal and you support Palestine, Illegal Immigrants and other radical minorities, and you are a globalist (socialist) who loves the UN and EU, and leaders like Macron, Trudea, Starmer, Scholz, and Albanese etc etc, and unelected socialists like Von Der Leyen, António Guterres and Schwab etc etc. -  then you will hate what Trump is going to do.  But I think that the majority are going to see through the media lies and how much a disaster another 4 (or even 8 ) years of Bidenomics would be. 

 

And best of all - he can dodge a bullet - even Reagan could not do that 😁

 

And you typed all that whilst chewing grass with a Banjo on your lap 

Trump is NOT the Messiah. (and neither is Kamala)

You've got to work things out for yourself.

 

 

He's a very naughty boy!!

Offensive posts and a reply removed.

Please be polite and civil at all times.

4 hours ago, Chadnik said:

 

She has no policy and she has no points dude. Whatever is manufactured for her it's manufactured for her.

 

She's absolutely vodkas. A deer in the headlights. She will be propped up that entire term if she makes it in office it will be frightening

 

She's not a politician. She's never won an election. She knows

 

NOTHING

Kamala Harris has won many elections, comrade. All in the US, so you might not know about them.

3 hours ago, Chadnik said:

 

It's a very caustic world now. He's a good fit for what we've become as a nation.

 

Tell it to the 500k ukrainians lost their lives and all the US serviceman died on the Afghanistan pull out. No worries Biden's hanging out on the beach enjoying himself and Kamala having herself a drink or two or three or six

 

If only Trump had gotten our troops out of Afghanistan, as he promised.

 

Or Trump's friend Putin hadn't invaded Ukraine.

4 hours ago, Chadnik said:

Sorry. If you're accusing me of being some sort of AI bot or I don't know what. I use speech to text. I happen to be bouncing about the city in the last hour on foot and don't have my reading glasses on

 

Sorry if some of that's just gibberish

Russian speech to text?

On 9/18/2024 at 7:10 PM, TroubleandGrumpy said:

 

At last.  I hear you and can understand most of what you are saying, and I do agree with some of your points. You have made a very good summary of what the issues are with regards to Trump as a person (flawed) and how divided politics currently is in the USA.

 

However, before I go into a few things in response - and like you I dont want just to throw abuse back and forth - there is a view on things that you may not have considered enough.  When someone is clearly in one side of the political divide, it is very hard for them to truly see the errors and inconstancies and the faults of that side they have chosen - but they can see every single flaw and fault of the other side.  In that position it is very hard for a person to reconcile their own formed views against any factual situation that challenges that view - it is called cognitive bias.  According to Google, 'Cognitive bias is a systematic thought process caused by the tendency of the human brain to simplify information processing through a filter of personal experience and preferences. The filtering process is a coping mechanism that enables the brain to prioritize and process large amounts of information quickly.'  And that is as viable an explanation as I can find - and I am certainly not immune from it either. 

 

However, although not immune, I can see the arguments about Trump and his personality 'disorder' and his growing mental slow down - absolutely.  But aside from the mental slowdown part, that 'personality disorder' is extremely common in hyper successful men - Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, Larry Ellison etc etc etc. They all have a personality disorder as such, and they all have a very strong ego and self belief - those traits are absolutely necessary to become what they have become - it is genetic - you can 'grow it'.  I know that makes Trump very 'unappealing' to many people - but if I was to say to you that Obama was not the smooth sweet lovely man that he portrayed himself to be - would you accept and understand that he is a diplomatic politician and he has the social skills to perform that act brilliantly - and that was why he was selected over Hillary, who is far less 'convincing'.  I have met many politicians and the top dogs are those that have the ability to stab you in the back while smiling to your face - the King of them being Bill Clinton.  Trump is not a good experienced and seasoned politician at all - but I accept that (and all his flaws) because he has IMO the right policies compared to the Dems (as I listed before).  He is by far the better option to have as POTUS in the current world situation - especially with the situations developing in Europe and Russia. 

 

The USA is being presented witrh the choice between 2 very personally flawed people, but I am certain that if Trump is elected and becomes the POTUS again, he will achieve a good outcome for USA and the World. Hopefully that will happen and people like yourself who can see/hear the 'other side' will then accept that he did a good job and that they were wrong.

 

I also thought Bill Clinton was a charlatan, and to some extent he was/is, but he achieved a lot of good things. Impeaching him for being caught being 'naughty' with a female intern was one of the biggest mistakes the GOP has ever made - it was what IMO started the divide in USA politics. The inevitable hatred that has flowed from then, made into an artform by the Dems and stupidly ignored by the GOP, is not a good thing and it aint over yet. One more term for Trump in a landslide win is the answer IMO - because I think he will bridge the divide - after he has destroyed what Biden/Harris have done.  That will happen I hope, and unlike after 2016 when they protested and attacked Trump for denying Hillary's turn, the Dems in power will be forced to go back to the middle ground and dump all the lunatic left wing woke policies that are not what the USA is about. 

So you are hit by a (long) eloquent post about why Trump is the wrong choice. Then you replay with a lot of "history" that has nothing to do with current situations. You say you would like to have a real debate but confronted by it you step out.

10 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Sorry. If you're accusing me of being some sort of AI bot or I don't know what. I use speech to text. I happen to be bouncing about the city in the last hour on foot and don't have my reading glasses on

 

Sorry if some of that's just gibberish

Sure you are.

1 minute ago, bubblegum said:

Sure you are.

You attributed a post from Comrade Chadnik to me.

 

So you know I am not the same person:

 

Trump is going to lose bigly on November 5.

On 9/18/2024 at 7:10 AM, TroubleandGrumpy said:

 

At last.  I hear you and can understand most of what you are saying, and I do agree with some of your points. You have made a very good summary of what the issues are with regards to Trump as a person (flawed) and how divided politics currently is in the USA.

 

However, before I go into a few things in response - and like you I dont want just to throw abuse back and forth - there is a view on things that you may not have considered enough.  When someone is clearly in one side of the political divide, it is very hard for them to truly see the errors and inconstancies and the faults of that side they have chosen - but they can see every single flaw and fault of the other side.  In that position it is very hard for a person to reconcile their own formed views against any factual situation that challenges that view - it is called cognitive bias.  According to Google, 'Cognitive bias is a systematic thought process caused by the tendency of the human brain to simplify information processing through a filter of personal experience and preferences. The filtering process is a coping mechanism that enables the brain to prioritize and process large amounts of information quickly.'  And that is as viable an explanation as I can find - and I am certainly not immune from it either. 

 

However, although not immune, I can see the arguments about Trump and his personality 'disorder' and his growing mental slow down - absolutely.  But aside from the mental slowdown part, that 'personality disorder' is extremely common in hyper successful men - Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, Larry Ellison etc etc etc. They all have a personality disorder as such, and they all have a very strong ego and self belief - those traits are absolutely necessary to become what they have become - it is genetic - you can 'grow it'.  I know that makes Trump very 'unappealing' to many people - but if I was to say to you that Obama was not the smooth sweet lovely man that he portrayed himself to be - would you accept and understand that he is a diplomatic politician and he has the social skills to perform that act brilliantly - and that was why he was selected over Hillary, who is far less 'convincing'.  I have met many politicians and the top dogs are those that have the ability to stab you in the back while smiling to your face - the King of them being Bill Clinton.  Trump is not a good experienced and seasoned politician at all - but I accept that (and all his flaws) because he has IMO the right policies compared to the Dems (as I listed before).  He is by far the better option to have as POTUS in the current world situation - especially with the situations developing in Europe and Russia. 

 

The USA is being presented witrh the choice between 2 very personally flawed people, but I am certain that if Trump is elected and becomes the POTUS again, he will achieve a good outcome for USA and the World. Hopefully that will happen and people like yourself who can see/hear the 'other side' will then accept that he did a good job and that they were wrong.

 

I also thought Bill Clinton was a charlatan, and to some extent he was/is, but he achieved a lot of good things. Impeaching him for being caught being 'naughty' with a female intern was one of the biggest mistakes the GOP has ever made - it was what IMO started the divide in USA politics. The inevitable hatred that has flowed from then, made into an artform by the Dems and stupidly ignored by the GOP, is not a good thing and it aint over yet. One more term for Trump in a landslide win is the answer IMO - because I think he will bridge the divide - after he has destroyed what Biden/Harris have done.  That will happen I hope, and unlike after 2016 when they protested and attacked Trump for denying Hillary's turn, the Dems in power will be forced to go back to the middle ground and dump all the lunatic left wing woke policies that are not what the USA is about. 

Trump is going to lose bigly on November 5. What are you going to do then?

 

BTW, I knew Elon Musk before he was crazy. I think he's had a stroke. Maybe you think that's a good thing.

On 9/18/2024 at 11:15 PM, placeholder said:

Much of the Ukraine was in fact Russia? Which part was that? Even in the east, into which ethnic Russians moved when the Ukraine was rapidly developiing induistrially, and where pro Russian political parties once had a foothold, they are now despised.

For those of you unfamiliar with the term "cuck" , short for cuckold, its commonly used by extreme right wingers to denigrate progressives. In other words,  in their deranged viewpoint if you're a progressive that means you're subservient to women and weak.  Lots of resentment among them towards women  as women increasingly rise to positions of power.

what's the matter ???

15 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

You will be unlikely to read more because this forum is 'infested' with anti-Trump hating lefties.

Unlike in USA politics where it is about 50/50 - here it is 90/10.

Just saying what others say about AN political discussions.

I am willing to take them on - for a while - maybe something good will come of it.

If I can 'wake up' just one of them, it will be worth it - maybe.

If I can 'wake up' just one of them, it will be worth it - maybe.

too late..   they are already "Woke Up"   and besides...  you can't fix stupid

13 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

He even said it was very nice AND we appreciate it.

 

Such a magnanimous man, clearly the wood that great statesmen are made of.

 

To defend Harris against all the boos of his supporters, you could not help but think "Here is an American".

 

Beautiful.

 

 

What will you do with yourself when Trump loses on November 5?

 

 

17 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

I think it's best to line up your emotional support team now.  Your heart will eventually be broken.... hopefully before you're squished under the bus like many others who were besotted.

No facts - just rhetoric and personal BS - atypical woke liberal response.

17 hours ago, steevjee said:

And you typed all that whilst chewing grass with a Banjo on your lap 

I know it took you hours to read it mate - and you did not understand most of it. 

Thanks for trying - any facts to argue your point??

How is Albanese going mate ?? Those lefties are all good stuff aint they???