Motorcycle Cuts in Front of Car, Causing Crash into Tree; Pattaya

[lordgrinz]

2 minutes ago, kwilco said:

 

Except you won't have that opportunity for the reasons I explained above - or if you have time to make that decision, you'll just look like bad driving.

 

People just don't understand what happens during the split second course of a collision.

 

BS.....Been there, done that, and I stick by my post. 

[kwilco]

1 hour ago, lordgrinz said:

 

BS.....Been there, done that, and I stick by my post. 

no you haven't you just think you have - people simply don't realise what's happening.

In the moment, most drivers don’t have time to consciously think about road safety. ethics or weigh their options when faced with an unexpected obstacle like a suddenly  swerving m/c or a dog. Their response is often instinctive and driven by emotion rather than deliberate thought. The emotion is one of self-preservation. So - when drivers see a vehicle or animal suddenly on the road, their brains trigger an automatic, split-second response based on shock or fear and preservation. They may subconsciously think of avoiding damage to their vehicle or even protecting themselves The instinct to avoid a collision kicks in almost immediately, like any other sudden danger. The attack ode you describe takes a few more nano-seconds by which time the crash has usually happened. If it hasn’t then you are considering where to drive and this could be construed as deliberate and therefore dangerous driving.

 

 

Edited September 22 by kwilco

[lordgrinz]

23 minutes ago, kwilco said:

no you haven't you just think you have - people simply don't realise what's happening.

In the moment, most drivers don’t have time to consciously think about road safety. ethics or weigh their options when faced with an unexpected obstacle like a suddenly  swerving m/c or a dog. Their response is often instinctive and driven by emotion rather than deliberate thought. The emotion is one of self-preservation. So - when drivers see a vehicle or animal suddenly on the road, their brains trigger an automatic, split-second response based on shock or fear and preservation. They may subconsciously think of avoiding damage to their vehicle or even protecting themselves The instinct to avoid a collision kicks in almost immediately, like any other sudden danger. The attack ode you describe takes a few more nano-seconds by which time the crash has usually happened. If it hasn’t then you are considering where to drive and this could be construed as deliberate and therefore dangerous driving.

 

Stop pretending to know what I would do, or what I have done, or been through in the past. I'll say it again, I stick by my original post, and have done exactly as I stated in my original post in prior accidents. And just for your information, the dashcam did indeed prove me in the right, and the other drivers in the wrong (3 times now here in Thailand). Swerving to avoid an accident, without being sure of what will result from it, could open you up to whatever accident you cause by leaving your lane, thus making YOU at fault. It is not "dangerous driving" to drive in your lane while following the laws/rules, however, swerving and causing an accident in another lane could be "construed" as deliberate or dangerous driving. Best advice is to stay in your original lane, unless you are absolutely positive it is safe enough to swerve to avoid an accident.

[kwilco]

20 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

 

Stop pretending to know what I would do, or what I have done, or been through in the past. I'll say it again, I stick by my original post, and have done exactly as I stated in my original post in prior accidents. And just for your information, the dashcam did indeed prove me in the right, and the other drivers in the wrong (3 times now here in Thailand). Swerving to avoid an accident, without being sure of what will result from it, could open you up to whatever accident you cause by leaving your lane, thus making YOU at fault. It is not "dangerous driving" to drive in your lane while following the laws/rules, however, swerving and causing an accident in another lane could be "construed" as deliberate or dangerous driving. Best advice is to stay in your original lane, unless you are absolutely positive it is safe enough to swerve to avoid an accident.

Silly man you don't realise it's not what you do, it's what HUMANS do - or are you not human?

[lordgrinz]

1 minute ago, kwilco said:

Silly man you don't realise it's not what you do, it's what HUMANS do - or are you not human?

 

I don't allow "emotions" to dictate my driving, if you do, so be it.

[kwilco]

46 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

 

I don't allow "emotions" to dictate my driving, if you do, so be it.

Your responses give me the impression you have no idea what this is about.

[lordgrinz]

6 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Your responses give me the impression you have no idea what this is about.

 

Your responses give me the impression you are a bit obtuse.

[kwilco]

36 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

 

Your responses give me the impression you are a bit obtuse.

OK - enough pigeon chess. You've started to use words you don't understand.

[gamb00ler]

2 hours ago, lordgrinz said:

Best advice is to stay in your original lane, unless you are absolutely positive it is safe enough to swerve to avoid an accident.

This is one of the reasons I constantly check for vehicles behind me in the adjacent lanes.  I like to know if those lanes offer a safe escape route.

Edited September 22 by gamb00ler

[kwilco]

1 hour ago, gamb00ler said:

This is one of the reasons I constantly check for vehicles behind me in the adjacent lanes.  I like to know if those lanes offer a safe escape route.

that's called driving.

[scubascuba3]

8 hours ago, kwilco said:

What people don't realise is when that happens you don't hav the opportunity to make a choice - human instinctive reaction kicks in and you SWERVE whether you like it or not.THere is a driving choice that sometimes can be made - that is to apply the brakes and turn - unfortunately with antilock brakes it's hard to tell if the vehicle in the photo had it's brakes on or not.

Often you will have a choice, when i see a dog on Sukhumvit i have time to pick a line

[jacko45k]

18 hours ago, nakhonandy said:

Exactly, anything smaller than me and I  don't risk myself if dangerous.

Middle aged lady with toddler in lap and phone in hand?

[itsari]

6 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

This is one of the reasons I constantly check for vehicles behind me in the adjacent lanes.  I like to know if those lanes offer a safe escape route.

Agree , keep an eye on what is behind you as much as you look infront .

I saw a motorcycle coming up behind me fast and realised he was not going to be able to stop without running into the back of the car , i swerved to the left giving the motorcyclist enough room to get by on my right. 

The guy waved to say thanks 

The man saying he will just runover who ever is in front of him really should not be on the road .

[lordgrinz]

7 hours ago, kwilco said:

OK - enough pigeon chess. You've started to use words you don't understand.

Quit while you're behind, or before you fall off you barstool. But for now, welcome to ignore 😉

[kwilco]

10 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Often you will have a choice, when i see a dog on Sukhumvit i have time to pick a line

That is not the situation in a road crash - what you are doing is theriocide

[johng]

1 hour ago, kwilco said:

what you are doing is theriocide

While its unfortunate that an animal wondering on the road might get killed (yes very sad)  would you rather  the animal be spared but your mother/father/only child  die instead ? if not yours then someone else's ?

[thailand49]

Rule of thumb! Might seem selfish in ways but there is a reason Taught to truck travels in the States.

I taught this to my Thai son driving here and the reason.

 

Take the speeding out know your surroundings although natural reaction to avoid dont, apply the brakes the best you can and straight forward.

 

This might confuse many asking biker in this case would get hurt or die. Vehicle is a weapon Kilos of steel trying to avoid many times do more harm than good. Doing so they could have hurt more than tree causing others a chain reaction?

 

Dont get me wrong no one is right or wrong it is human nature to react as noted reason in the West test questions noted to future and tenewal drivers. It has to be a main option whether one can make it happened id another.

Associate with the Transportation Department Ive seen videos of those who did avoid the carnage where vehicle lost control flipped into a crowd. Think now of a big rig carrying hazmat, oil, trying to avoid?

 

Last time I touch a big rig I took OT, since I had a A class license my job was to take a truck load of packages to the airport in commute running a bit aircraft waiting I try to be hero. Once I had the chance cleared I started to push ot a bit I come over the ramp traffic at a standstill I applied everything Ive ever been taught braking down shifting, pulling up the handbrake. hoping praying heart pounding the freight bed wsdnt going to go flying by? 

The SUV in front the driver looking in the rear view mirror scared screaming seeing me coming I was able to stopped a half length of her car.

I put my head down on the wheel saying to myself there is a god same time I was soaked from my own urine. 

When I got back to the center I put in for a warehouse job.

 

 

Edited September 24 by thailand49

[kwilco]

On 9/22/2024 at 4:28 PM, lordgrinz said:

Stop pretending to know what I would do

QED

[J Branche]

Driving home to Pratamnak going up the hill by the Tourist Police Station and there was a motorbike crash.  Foreigner laying motionless over the wall with motorbike laying in front.  A big bus stopped ahead.  Do Not know what happened but girlfriend said to much blood.

 

Just thinking of tourist coming on vacation on a bus and seeing a man lying motionless with blood around.  Not the holiday anyone wants.

 

Hope the man is okay, haven't seen any info about it yet.

[jacko45k]

19 hours ago, J Branche said:

Just thinking of tourist coming on vacation on a bus and seeing a man lying motionless with blood around.  Not the holiday anyone wants.

Well worse for the guy over the wall.... might do some good and dissuade some of those on the bus from renting a bike here.