Expats and Retirees Excluded in Thailand's Citizenship Grants

[bradiston]

6 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

What on earth do you mean by "we do not believe most things they say"?

 

90% of Thailand's farang squatters don't understand the local lingo. How can anyone hope to believe the things they can't even understand?

I'd give you 10 likes for that @NanLaewa if I could. Didn't you get Thai citizenship a while back? I'm sure it was you who posted about it.

[NanLaew]

2 minutes ago, bradiston said:

Someone who's chosen to retire, or settle, outside their own country, voluntarily, with the means to do so.

 

Now you enlighten me. Are you a refugee, an expat, or a Thai citizen? And I don't mean you don't like the Labour Party so you left the UK, therefore you're a political refugee.

 

An expat, or expatriate, is someone who lives and works in a country other than their own. The term comes from the Latin words ex, meaning "out of", and patria, meaning "country".

 

Oops, no specific mention of "retirement" here, but that's irrelevant anyway.

 

The people this new Thai citizenship award is directed at are mostly from Myanmar, Laos and Cambodia who forsook their home countries to live and work in Thailand.

 

I am a happy British expat, thanks for asking. British politics had no influence on my decision to live here, and still doesn't. You must be mistaking me for someone else.

[NanLaew]

3 minutes ago, bradiston said:

I'd give you 10 likes for that @NanLaewa if I could. Didn't you get Thai citizenship a while back? I'm sure it was you who posted about it.

 

Not a chance. I am a happy British expat here.

 

If I was going to get another citizenship, it would be for St. Kitts and Nevis, along with my wedge and hurricane insurance.

 

https://www.gov.kn/apply-for-a-passport/

[bradiston]

1 minute ago, NanLaew said:

 

An expat, or expatriate, is someone who lives and works in a country other than their own. The term comes from the Latin words ex, meaning "out of", and patria, meaning "country".

 

Oops, no specific mention of "retirement" here, but that's irrelevant anyway.

 

The people this new Thai citizenship award is directed at are mostly from Myanmar, Laos and Cambodia who forsook their home countries to live and work in Thailand.

 

I am a happy British expat, thanks for asking. British politics had no influence on my decision to live here, and still doesn't. You must be mistaking me for someone else.

Well, I added "settle" as I realised a lot of foreigners living in Thailand are not retirees. And i don't think this new law is aimed at migrant workers at all. It's the stateless hill tribes and refugees from civil strife and war. The Tai people from northern Vietnam lost all their land.

 

"Essentially, the stateless population in Thailand are often members of typical hill tribes, such as the Akha, Lahu, Hmong, Lisu, Yao etc".

 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8920272/#:~:text=In 2020%2C 479%2C943 people were,is very difficult [14].

 

Yes, seems I'm thinking of someone else. He had a moniker similar to yours.

[NanLaew]

12 minutes ago, bradiston said:

Citizens of Myanmar, Laos and Cambodia are stateless? How so and since when?

 

Since the older adults this applies to most likely departed their homes in Myanmar, Laos and Cambodia under duress of war, factionalism or government oppression. I think they call them economic migrants rather than refugees these days. You can use Google to find the dates for the major insurrections and social upheavals. Based on the numbers attending  the Udon Thani immigration offices, there's also a lot of Vietnamese that prefer to live and work here.

 

Their kids, born in Thailand, are totally stateless as they technically don't exist, either in their parent's homelands or here.

[Aussie999]

31 minutes ago, bradiston said:

You said

 

"Thailand does not want farang citizens,  we remember their BS, we discuss their BS, we do not believe most things they say,  we would not vote the way the power brokers/military wants us to.... we bring our western idea of democracy,  that Thailand certainly does not accept."

 

So what are you referring to, "their BS" ? And "we do not believe most things they say", we wouldn't vote the way they do, and they don't accept "our western idea of democracy". Not very complimentary, is it, to say the least. Theyre full of BS, they lie, and they don't follow western voting patterns!

 

And you suggest I have some form of mental illness and that noone here supports antything I've said.

 

You're wrong mister. In every respect. About me, about Thais and about Thailand.

As we are discussing citizenship, and the policy is created by the government... "their" refers to the bloody government....  Mate, you should just give up.. you lack any understand of what we are all discussing. By trying to gain some credibility, you are only making a bigger fool of yourself. More lies.. where did I mention voting "patterns," stop your BS.

[bradiston]

1 minute ago, NanLaew said:

 

Since the older adults this applies to most likely departed their homes in Myanmar, Laos and Cambodia under duress of war, factionalism or government oppression. I think they call them economic migrants rather than refugees these days. You can use Google to find the dates for the major insurrections and social upheavals. Based on the numbers attending  the Udon Thani immigration offices, there's also a lot of Vietnamese that prefer to live and work here.

 

Their kids, born in Thailand, are totally stateless as they technically don't exist, either in their parent's homelands or here.

There were refugee camps all down Thailand's Eastern border with Cambodia when the Khmer Rouge were in power. I guess similar to the border with Myanmar right now. I'm sure there were countless refugees from Laos when the communist Pratet Lao took over. But Issan is almost 100% Lao, is it not? Anyway, I think this new law is aimed at stateless people. And I imagine the Thai government is doing it to meet the requirements or demands of maybe the UNHCR, the White House, or some other western agency, prior to Thailand's accession to some FTA or whatever.

[bradiston]

1 minute ago, Aussie999 said:

As we are discussing citizenship, and the policy is created by the government... "their" refers to the bloody government....  Mate, you should just give up.. you lack any understand of what we are all discussing. By trying to gain some credibility, you are only making a bigger fool of yourself. More lies.. where did I mention voting "patterns," stop your BS.

A truly nasty piece of work.

[itsari]

4 hours ago, Aviatorhi said:

 

Nice IQ you got there - if it was a temperature it would fit will into my beer cooler.

Sarcasm you wish to endow on me would also fit nicely into your chilly bin 

[Aussie999]

7 minutes ago, bradiston said:

A truly nasty piece of work.

Ok... hope you are happy, now move on.

[Geoffggi]

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

 

Can you name these "family friendly" countries?

 

Do any of these "family friendly" countries have go-go bars?

England for one but the thread is not about gogo bars is it??

[Bday Prang]

1 hour ago, black tabby12345 said:

 

Some people might be Cannabis High while commenting.

"cannabi high"     that's a new one on me. How come people like you  are not embarrassed by posting such ignorant rubbish

[arithai12]

7 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

This is meant to address refugees and those who have spent their lives in Thailand, and are stateless. It is a decent thing to do. 

It goes without saying. And yet there are people who manage to compare an expat with passport, documents, income, ability to travel and to return to their country at will, with refugees who have no papers, no means, no money to spend in bars, and break their backs to build the condos for the expats.

 

Actually, if one really cared for Thai citizenship, expats can get it under the right circumstances. 

[spidermike007]

2 minutes ago, arithai12 said:

It goes without saying. And yet there are people who manage to compare an expat with passport, documents, income, ability to travel and to return to their country at will, with refugees who have no papers, no means, no money to spend in bars, and break their backs to build the condos for the expats.

 

Actually, if one really cared for Thai citizenship, expats can get it under the right circumstances. 

There are many people in this world who have very little perspective about what it means to be poor, what it means to be stateless, or what it means to be a refugee. And those same people seem to be lacking in compassion to an alarming degree. 

[kimothai]

Can't think of a single reason why I would want to be a Thai Citizen.  Have too many benefits from USA that are way better than anything Thailand could possibly offer.  Any Western Expat that considering applying for a Thai citizenship should do careful research in regard to the implications to the benefits they receive from their home country.  As screwed up as America (and some European Countries) are today they are still a better place to retreat to if this third world country should go upside down. Here's to hoping I never have to leave.

[black tabby12345]

I bet the Biggest Beneficiary of the dual citizenship in Thailand is, the Swiss man who has been  BKK's  sex industry tycoon:

Owner of the King's Group in Patpong.

 

Can anyone please advise his name?

 

 

[SpaceKadet]

It's easy to understand the government thinking. They are choosing the people from the neighboring countries simple because:  

 

A. They look not dissimilar to the Thai people.

B. They share the Thai mentality of kowtowing to the authority.

 

Western expats are to educated and independent to fit into the society here. Just imagine if they would be allowed to vote and be active politically. Total mayhem.... Westerners have no grasp of kreng jai (เกรงใจ), a concept that is so prevalent here.

[RoyLee]

Big mistake, since it will attract more. Please do not copy the west.

[sambum]

3 hours ago, baansgr said:

Have you paid tax and social security payments on your income earned in Thailand for the past 4 years, that is a requirement for citizenship.ok. not jumping on anyone's back👍

Thank you!

[sambum]

3 hours ago, bradiston said:

I suggest you ask around those who've done it, and/or ask a lawyer. You'd still be a UK citizen as a dual national, so it wouldn't affect your pension. I don't think there's free medical care here. I have dual nationality. Not Thai. But it's never ever been an issue.

Thank you!

[bradiston]

1 hour ago, Aussie999 said:

Ok... hope you are happy, now move on.

Aussie rules, eh? What are you, an ex cop? Your money's no good here. Find someone else to annoy.

[bradiston]

24 minutes ago, SpaceKadet said:

It's easy to understand the government thinking. They are choosing the people from the neighboring countries simple because:  

 

A. They look not dissimilar to the Thai people.

B. They share the Thai mentality of kowtowing to the authority.

 

Western expats are to educated and independent to fit into the society here. Just imagine if they would be allowed to vote and be active politically. Total mayhem.... Westerners have no grasp of kreng jai (เกรงใจ), a concept that is so prevalent here.

Oh, not because the people it affects are stateless, and have been for decades? Or that Thailand has probably been told no more FTAs with the West until they clear up this mess? Or that, as the Thais admit, it would take 44 years to actually process each and every application. Or that amongst those added are able bodied people willing and able to work in Thailand, at a time when populations world wide are shrinking at an alarming rate?

 

No. They were "chosen" because they look like Thais, and they're submissive (only one translation of เกรงใจ)? That's a great one. Western expats too educated? Another bullseye.

[Nick Carter icp]

42 minutes ago, RoyLee said:

Big mistake, since it will attract more. Please do not copy the west.

 

  These people are born in Thailand  , some are Tai-Yai , the original Thai people , some were living on the land and Thailand moved its border on to their land and they became stateless.

   New immigrants wouldn't be given Thai citizenship 

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, bradiston said:

There were refugee camps all down Thailand's Eastern border with Cambodia when the Khmer Rouge were in power. I guess similar to the border with Myanmar right now. I'm sure there were countless refugees from Laos when the communist Pratet Lao took over. But Issan is almost 100% Lao, is it not? Anyway, I think this new law is aimed at stateless people. And I imagine the Thai government is doing it to meet the requirements or demands of maybe the UNHCR, the White House, or some other western agency, prior to Thailand's accession to some FTA or whatever.

 

    I do believe that Thailand wants to solve its stateless people issue .

Why do you think that the USA would want to solve the problem and Thailand wouldn't ?

    The Thai Government wants to help the people and it would also help Thailand as well 

[bradiston]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    I do believe that Thailand wants to solve its stateless people issue .

Why do you think that the USA would want to solve the problem and Thailand wouldn't ?

    The Thai Government wants to help the people and it would also help Thailand as well 

Yeah ok, I don't want to suggest Thailand acted for any reason apart from genuine concern for these people. But the nature of things, eg the fishing industry, and seafood processing industry, and human trafficking, suggests that sometimes Thailand will only take action when threatened with serious sanctions.

[Liverpool Lou]

10 hours ago, redwood1 said:

.Allowing this change would be respecting our human rights.... 

Which "human right" extends to you the right to citizenship in Thailand? 

[Ned]

Most of these people have been here for over twenty five years......as aliens.....

Many others were born here but have alien status as well. 

Hasn't a senior Thai official already reassured the nervous Thai public that the citizenship status of these people can be revoked at any time if they don't toe the line. 

 

[Aussie999]

1 hour ago, bradiston said:

Aussie rules, eh? What are you, an ex cop? Your money's no good here. Find someone else to annoy.

Um...SMH

[Gaccha]

12 hours ago, Aviatorhi said:

Look at that - a country doing something right instead of trying to start a mass deportation program.

 

Quiet reminder: Thailand had by August this year mass deported 145,000 Burmese migrants.

 

You didn't know about this because only Western States are not allowed to do it.

 

(Here's a source.)

Edited November 2 by Gaccha
Added source to disabuse him.

[BritScot]

11 hours ago, prakhonchai nick said:

Just like in the UK, 480,000 stateless people (effectively refugees)  once given citizenship, will clog up hospitals making waits even longer, since  seeing a doctor will now be free.

They already are and don't forget the near a million coming into the UK legally every year. 

Edited November 2 by BritScot