UK Pensioners in Thailand Face New Scrutiny Over Pension Fraud

[transam]

Watching YouTube vids last night, one came up on what is going to happen from January 2025 regarding the fraud and the pension 'benefit'. So I watched it and was taken aback by what is REALLY going to happen that will affect ALL pensioners wherever you reside, including the UK.

 

Take too long to go through it on here, you must watch and listen to every word till the end of the vid.

Later another vid came up on the same subject, I watched it, more or less the same contact, then another, same, all confirming what is going to happen, and one thing is clear, those claiming the full pension and living in LOS will have something to worry about.

 

Pensioners in the UK will get letters with forms to fill in, phone numbers, addresses, bank account etc details. Bank statements, to look at where payments are going over periods, payments for normal living in the UK. 

The bloke on here who keeps making stories up will soon be riding off into the sun-set, as what the Gov is now going to do, will bury him...

 

I have said for years on here, one day the dots will line up, for sure this is the first major step.....😱 

 

 

 

 

 

[BritManToo]

  On 11/19/2024 at 1:59 AM, transam said:

Watching YouTube vids last night, one came up on what is going to happen from January 2025 regarding the fraud and the pension 'benefit'. So I watched it and was taken aback by what is REALLY going to happen that will affect ALL pensioners wherever you reside, including the UK.

 

Take too long to go through it on here, you must watch and listen to every word till the end of the vid.

Later another vid came up on the same subject, I watched it, more or less the same contact, then another, same, all confirming what is going to happen, and one thing is clear, those claiming the full pension and living in LOS will have something to worry about.

 

Pensioners in the UK will get letters with forms to fill in, phone numbers, addresses, bank account etc details. Bank statements, to look at where payments are going over periods, payments for normal living in the UK. 

The bloke on here who keeps making stories up will soon be riding off into the sun-set, as what the Gov is now going to do, will bury him...

 

I have said for years on here, one day the dots will line up, for sure this is the first major step.....😱 

 

 

 

 

 

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Only relevant to pensioners claiming means tested benefits.

For those only claiming State Pension where no yearly information submissions are required, and your only claim is made at the start of your pension entitlement age, it's not relevant.

 

It's also not relevant to those on means tested benefits that take all their pension out of their bank account every 4 weeks. If you pay cash for everything, there's not that much data on your monthly 'outgoings' for them to collect and examine. 

 

But I'd be interested in knowing what means tested benefits you claim, as it seems to be of great concern to you ....... I hope you're not on the fiddle!

[Celsius]

In Canada customs and border agency is linked to revenue agency. They know exactly when you left and how long have you been out.

 

Nothing like this exists in UK? No wonder UK is a country of choice for Mahmood and Patel.

 

They are screwing Pattaya prostitutes with government money.

[BritManToo]

  On 11/19/2024 at 2:47 AM, Celsius said:

In Canada customs and border agency is linked to revenue agency. They know exactly when you left and how long have you been out.

 

Nothing like this exists in UK? No wonder UK is a country of choice for Mahmood and Patel.

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It's unclear what entry/exit information the UK government currently record, but if you left the UK more than 5-10 years back they had nothing.

[sandyf]

  On 11/18/2024 at 4:07 AM, bradiston said:

It's only frozen when you're found, or you've declared, to have moved abroad to live in a non-reciprocating country. Exactly what percentage of pensioners this represents I have no idea, and in any case, would not be very reliable for obvious reasons.

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Why do some feel compelled to deviate from the point being made.

When it all started there were no pensions paid overseas so there was no frozen aspect.

When reciprocal arrangements were introduced it was pure discrimination but at that point in time the government gave no consideration to discrimination.

Gay men were being put in prison, terms like "nixxers" and "quxxrs" were in common use and Robertsons had a "Goxxy" on the jam, pension discrimination never got a second thought.

Other issues have been addressed over time but he government only bows to domestic public opinion, mention "trans" and they all jump, unfortunately the very nature of the frozen pension issue it is a case of out of sight, out of mind.

[roo860]

  On 11/19/2024 at 2:40 AM, BritManToo said:

 

Only relevant to pensioners claiming means tested benefits.

For those only claiming State Pension where no yearly information submissions are required, and your only claim is made at the start of your pension entitlement age, it's not relevant.

 

It's also not relevant to those on means tested benefits that take all their pension out of their bank account every 4 weeks. If you pay cash for everything, there's not that much data on your monthly 'outgoings' for them to collect and examine. 

 

But I'd be interested in knowing what means tested benefits you claim, as it seems to be of great concern to you ....... I hope you're not on the fiddle!

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I can just see Tranny searching youtube or any other site for anything to try and justify his nonsense, he's already tried everything and is now clutching at straws. It reeks of jealousy, as you say it's nothing to do with pensions and all to do with other add on benefits, but of course he'll be replying with more nonsense.

[transam]

  On 11/19/2024 at 2:40 AM, BritManToo said:

 

Only relevant to pensioners claiming means tested benefits.

For those only claiming State Pension where no yearly information submissions are required, and your only claim is made at the start of your pension entitlement age, it's not relevant.

 

It's also not relevant to those on means tested benefits that take all their pension out of their bank account every 4 weeks. If you pay cash for everything, there's not that much data on your monthly 'outgoings' for them to collect and examine. 

 

But I'd be interested in knowing what means tested benefits you claim, as it seems to be of great concern to you ....... I hope you're not on the fiddle!

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Your pension is a 'benefit', good luck opening a designated bank account in the UK, to accept ONLY your state pension, so they can see where it goes at any time. No designated bank account, no pension...😲

 

 

[alanrchase]

  On 11/19/2024 at 1:59 AM, transam said:

Watching YouTube vids last night, one came up on what is going to happen from January 2025 regarding the fraud and the pension 'benefit'. So I watched it and was taken aback by what is REALLY going to happen that will affect ALL pensioners wherever you reside, including the UK.

 

Take too long to go through it on here, you must watch and listen to every word till the end of the vid.

Later another vid came up on the same subject, I watched it, more or less the same contact, then another, same, all confirming what is going to happen, and one thing is clear, those claiming the full pension and living in LOS will have something to worry about.

 

Pensioners in the UK will get letters with forms to fill in, phone numbers, addresses, bank account etc details. Bank statements, to look at where payments are going over periods, payments for normal living in the UK. 

The bloke on here who keeps making stories up will soon be riding off into the sun-set, as what the Gov is now going to do, will bury him...

 

I have said for years on here, one day the dots will line up, for sure this is the first major step.....😱 

 

 

 

 

 

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Think these videos are referring to the bill that was stalled in the House of Lords when the election took place so is now dead. The current government is reintroducing it as the DWP Fraud,error and debt bill which was announced in October. Doubt that it will be passed by the end of the year.

 

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-statements/detail/2024-10-08/hcws114

[BritManToo]

  On 11/19/2024 at 4:47 AM, transam said:

Your pension is a 'benefit', good luck opening a designated bank account in the UK, to accept ONLY your state pension

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Yep, @roo860 was right, more nonsense.

Better I start a thread on 'online stalking' where you can really demonstrate your expertise.

[transam]

  On 11/19/2024 at 4:20 AM, roo860 said:

I can just see Tranny searching youtube or any other site for anything to try and justify his nonsense, he's already tried everything and is now clutching at straws. It reeks of jealousy, as you say it's nothing to do with pensions and all to do with other add on benefits, but of course he'll be replying with more nonsense.

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I have only talked here about pensions, no other benefits, you listen and take notice of another...🤕

 

I do not sit looking for UK pension stuff, YouTube puts it on my YouTube page, if I look at ONE, they send more, last night it buried a few here, the dots have been lined up....

 

 

[BritManToo]

  On 11/19/2024 at 4:49 AM, alanrchase said:

Think these videos are referring to the bill that was stalled in the House of Lords when the election took place so is now dead. The current government is reintroducing it as the DWP Fraud,error and debt bill which was announced in October. Doubt that it will be passed by the end of the year.

 

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-statements/detail/2024-10-08/hcws114

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According to the link, still no action since 24 April 2024, so hard to see how they can start investigations (on means test benefits) in 6 weeks time.

1st reading in the commons, then house of Lords, 2nd reading in the commons ........ more like 2 years than 6 weeks.

[transam]

  On 11/19/2024 at 4:50 AM, BritManToo said:

Yep, @roo860 was right, more nonsense.

Better I start a thread on 'online stalking' where you can really demonstrate your expertise.

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I, for one, don't care if anyone is on the pension fraud thingy, I looking out for others with info is my aim.

YOU, haven't watched any of the vids, but good lucky opening your new, must have, stand alone, DWP bank account in the UK to RECEIVE your pension...........😱

[transam]

  On 11/19/2024 at 4:53 AM, BritManToo said:

According to the link, still no action since 24 April 2024, so hard to see how they can start investigations (on means test benefits) in 6 weeks time.

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Rome wasn't built in a day............😉

[BritManToo]

  On 11/19/2024 at 4:54 AM, transam said:

YOU, haven't watched any of the vids, but good lucky opening your new, must have, stand alone, DWP bank account in the UK to RECEIVE your pension...........😱

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I've always had a standalone bank account in the UK for 'money laundering'.

No need to open another one.

 

[transam]

  On 11/19/2024 at 4:49 AM, alanrchase said:

Think these videos are referring to the bill that was stalled in the House of Lords when the election took place so is now dead. The current government is reintroducing it as the DWP Fraud,error and debt bill which was announced in October. Doubt that it will be passed by the end of the year.

 

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-statements/detail/2024-10-08/hcws114

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Starts January 2025, as I understand it, letters to pension recipients are to be sent out to ALL pensioner  'UK' addresses...

[alanrchase]

  On 11/19/2024 at 4:53 AM, BritManToo said:

According to the link, still no action since 24 April 2024, so hard to see how they can start investigations (on means test benefits) in 6 weeks time.

1st reading in the commons, then house of Lords, 2nd reading in the commons ........ more like 2 years than 6 weeks.

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What link did you read? The link is to a statement made in October 2024 about a proposed new bill called the DWP Fraud, error and debt bill. As I stated, I doubt whether they will be able to pass it into law by January. As I also stated, the videos seem to be about a bill that died in the House of Lords in April due to the election.

[transam]

  On 11/19/2024 at 5:00 AM, BritManToo said:

I've always had a standalone bank account in the UK for 'money laundering'.

No need to open another one.

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Then you will not receive your pension then, it is a DWP website to keep an eye on fraud from either direction.

WATCH THE VIDEOS.........🙄

[BritManToo]

  On 11/19/2024 at 5:01 AM, alanrchase said:

What link did you read? The link is to a statement made in October 2024 about a proposed new bill called the DWP Fraud, error and debt bill. As I stated, I doubt whether they will be able to pass it into law by January. As I also stated, the videos seem to be about a bill that died in the House of Lords in April due to the election.

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Yes, renaming it means starting the process again in the commons.

[BritManToo]

  On 11/19/2024 at 5:00 AM, transam said:

Starts January 2025, as I understand it, letters to pension recipients are to be sent out to ALL pensioner  'UK' addresses...

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If no letters are written to pension recipients on January 2025 will you promise never to post on this forum again?

 

........ or are you not that confident in your understanding (aka lying).

[transam]

  On 11/19/2024 at 5:06 AM, BritManToo said:

If no letters are written to pension recipients on January 2025 will you promise never to post on this forum again?

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Who said letters on January 2025, not me, only what is going to happen, no DWP bank account, no pension....

So, let us know when you eventually get your letter and what YOU have got to do...........😉

[BritManToo]

  On 11/19/2024 at 5:11 AM, transam said:

Who said letters on January 2025, not me, only what is going to happen, no DWP bank account, no pension....

So, let us know when you eventually get your letter and what YOU have got to do...........😉

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Not confident at all then!

[transam]

  On 11/19/2024 at 5:13 AM, BritManToo said:

Not confident at all then!

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I don't have to be confident about anything, because I am not in the same position as you and a few others here. Pointing out how those dots are lining up may save others a lot of grief in the future.

 

A number of sites are quoting the same thing, fraudsters will be found, first step, DWP bank account..

 

Good luck opening one...😋

[baansgr]

It's nothing new, they have always been able to look at any ones bank account if they have suspicion of money laundering/ benefit fraud etc. That will always be the case, what is different is the ease of obtaining such information from banks. Pretty much ado about nothing, a mountain and mole hill. Lots of jealous scaremongering going on but funny to read the replies from ex SAS and police inspetors

[baansgr]

  On 11/19/2024 at 5:00 AM, transam said:

Starts January 2025, as I understand it, letters to pension recipients are to be sent out to ALL pensioner  'UK' addresses...

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All 13 milliom of them😁😁😁

[transam]

  On 11/19/2024 at 5:40 AM, baansgr said:

It's nothing new, they have always been able to look at any ones bank account if they have suspicion of money laundering/ benefit fraud etc. That will always be the case, what is different is the ease of obtaining such information from banks. Pretty much ado about nothing, a mountain and mole hill. Lots of jealous scaremongering going on but funny to read the replies from ex SAS and police inspetors

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Oh dear, another that doesn't want to read/watch the facts put in front of them, probably through fear....🥺...........🤭

 

[transam]

  On 11/19/2024 at 5:44 AM, baansgr said:

All 13 milliom of them😁😁😁

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..........Will have to open a stand alone DWP bank account to receive their state pension...................Yes  😁

[baansgr]

  On 11/19/2024 at 5:45 AM, transam said:

Oh dear, another that doesn't want to read/watch the facts put in front of them, probably through fear....🥺...........🤭

 

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I am not in receipt of a state pension,

 

  On 11/19/2024 at 5:46 AM, transam said:

..........Will have to open a stand alone DWP bank account to receive their state pension...................Yes  😁

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So explain what a stand alone DWP bank account is?

[BritManToo]

  On 11/19/2024 at 5:46 AM, transam said:

..........Will have to open a stand alone DWP bank account to receive their state pension...................Yes  😁

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As non residents can't open new UK bank accounts, you won't be getting a pension either.

 

Can you imagine the banks trying to process 13M new accounts for pensioners, many of whom can't even remember their own names?

 

What complete and utter nonsense you're writing, get some help!

[transam]

  On 11/19/2024 at 5:50 AM, baansgr said:

I am not in receipt of a state pension,

 

So explain what a stand alone DWP bank account is?

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So you haven't watched the very informative videos to point out what is going to happen for folk to receive their UK state pension............🙄

Let me try and explain it as simply as I can...

 

As I understand it........

ALL UK state pensions will only be paid into a DWP website account to recipients, no other way. 

So, you will have to set up an account with them, if you don't, no payment.

 

The videos explain what is going to happen to stop those on the fiddle (living in a country with no reciprocal agreement) is included, hence the Designated DWP account, which they can monitor.

 

Let's be honest, it is a common sense move to catch pension benefit fraudsters..

[bradiston]

  On 11/19/2024 at 3:34 AM, sandyf said:

Why do some feel compelled to deviate from the point being made.

When it all started there were no pensions paid overseas so there was no frozen aspect.

When reciprocal arrangements were introduced it was pure discrimination but at that point in time the government gave no consideration to discrimination.

Gay men were being put in prison, terms like "nixxers" and "quxxrs" were in common use and Robertsons had a "Goxxy" on the jam, pension discrimination never got a second thought.

Other issues have been addressed over time but he government only bows to domestic public opinion, mention "trans" and they all jump, unfortunately the very nature of the frozen pension issue it is a case of out of sight, out of mind.

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Well you've managed to totally go off topic (deviate as you put it) and start on about trans, gays, racism etc etc. This thread is about the UK pension being frozen overseas in non reciprocating countries.