Israeli military loosened rules of engagement at start of Gaza war

[Bkk Brian]

19 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Leaving aside the morality question, the math just doesn't work out when you create 20 families of terrorists for that one you took out.

 

Leaving aside the facts that this is a make believe theory you mean. One used often by those opposed to the war on terrorists.

[simple1]

3 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Leaving aside the morality question, the math just doesn't work out when you create 20 families of terrorists for that one you took out.

 

 

Presumedly those killed alongside a Hamas terrorist are family and friends of that individual. Plus of course other civilians in the immediate vicinity. Given the Israelis claim they have superb intelligence for targeting one assumes those authorising a strike will have a good idea on the number of non militants will be killed / injured. I seriously doubt the killing of non combatants in the current conflict will ever receive justice. One only has to read some of the comments on this forum to ascertain the complete indifference to the killing of Palestinian civilians who have no choice whatsoever on where they stay. e.g. so called safe zones are regularly attacked with numerous civilians killed every day. If only the politicians can take one step beyond!

[simple1]

6 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

I know what you wrote. If you did not have that in mind when you wrote it then you should have not written it. Simple

 

There you go again, ranting with the rest of your post and neglecting who the real perpetrators of the blood lust are. Expected from you.

 

Both sides of the conflict are killers. Neither the Israelis or Islamist groups have clean slates. You seem at ease with killing of Palestinian civilian men, women and children who have no means to reject Hamas, Islamic Jihad et al who rule at the end of a gun, I am not Nor am I with Islamist killers, so again stop inferring I am,.

[Bkk Brian]

21 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Both sides of the conflict are killers. Neither the Israelis or Islamist groups have clean slates. You seem at ease with killing of Palestinian civilian men, women and children who have no means to reject Hamas, Islamic Jihad et al who rule at the end of a gun, I am not Nor am I with Islamist killers, so again stop inferring I am,.

Here you go again, attempting to make comparisons to terrorist's and the IDF. There is NO moral comparison, none. Only Hamas supporters would suggest otherwise. More vile rhetoric. Keep digging, not sure you'll ever get out of that hole now.

 

Israel & Hamas Are Not Morally Equivalent

The IDF never intentionally targets innocent civilians. Hamas does so everyday

“But you are morally bankrupt if you don’t demand that Hamas return all hostages. You are morally bankrupt if you don’t demand the eradication of the Hamas terror regime, which began this war …  with the horrifying and barbaric massacre of 1200+ babies, children, women, and elderly, and the kidnapping of over 240 civilians. [And you are] especially [morally bankrupt] because the Hamas charter …advocates the … destruction of Israel and the death or expulsion of all its Jews. I’ll repeat: MORALLY BANKRUPT.”

https://www.lincolninstitute.org/israel-hamas-are-not-morally-equivalent/

 

There is no moral equivalence between the IDF and Iran’s terrorist proxies

There is no moral equivalence to be drawn here; the Israel Defence Forces have gone to extraordinary lengths to minimise civilian casualties, even as the forces arrayed against them have gone to extraordinary lengths to do just the opposite, deliberately targeting civilians while using their own people as human shields.
That so many in the West have lost sight of these fundamental truths brings shame upon us all.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2024/10/06/israel-october-7-idf-gaza-lebanon-hamas-hezbollah/

https://archive.ph/9QpmW

 

David Cameron: 'No moral equivalence' between Hamas and Israel
The foreign secretary says Israel uses its military to defend its people, while Hamas "uses its people to try and defend its rockets".

https://news.sky.com/story/david-cameron-no-moral-equivalence-between-hamas-and-israel-13024206

 

No Moral Equivalency Between Israel and Hamas
Calling both Netanyahu and Sinwar ‘hard-liners’ is akin to saying the same about Churchill and Hitler.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/no-moral-equivalency-israel-hamas-netanyahu-sinwar-de7354ac

[simple1]

On 12/30/2024 at 6:43 PM, Bkk Brian said:

Here you go again, attempting to make comparisons to terrorist's and the IDF. There is NO moral comparison, none. Only Hamas supporters would suggest otherwise. More vile rhetoric. Keep digging, not sure you'll ever get out of that hole now.

 

Israel & Hamas Are Not Morally Equivalent

The IDF never intentionally targets innocent civilians. Hamas does so everyday

“But you are morally bankrupt if you don’t demand that Hamas return all hostages. You are morally bankrupt if you don’t demand the eradication of the Hamas terror regime, which began this war …  with the horrifying and barbaric massacre of 1200+ babies, children, women, and elderly, and the kidnapping of over 240 civilians. [And you are] especially [morally bankrupt] because the Hamas charter …advocates the … destruction of Israel and the death or expulsion of all its Jews. I’ll repeat: MORALLY BANKRUPT.”

https://www.lincolninstitute.org/israel-hamas-are-not-morally-equivalent/

 

There is no moral equivalence between the IDF and Iran’s terrorist proxies

There is no moral equivalence to be drawn here; the Israel Defence Forces have gone to extraordinary lengths to minimise civilian casualties, even as the forces arrayed against them have gone to extraordinary lengths to do just the opposite, deliberately targeting civilians while using their own people as human shields.
That so many in the West have lost sight of these fundamental truths brings shame upon us all.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2024/10/06/israel-october-7-idf-gaza-lebanon-hamas-hezbollah/

https://archive.ph/9QpmW

 

David Cameron: 'No moral equivalence' between Hamas and Israel
The foreign secretary says Israel uses its military to defend its people, while Hamas "uses its people to try and defend its rockets".

https://news.sky.com/story/david-cameron-no-moral-equivalence-between-hamas-and-israel-13024206

 

No Moral Equivalency Between Israel and Hamas
Calling both Netanyahu and Sinwar ‘hard-liners’ is akin to saying the same about Churchill and Hitler.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/no-moral-equivalency-israel-hamas-netanyahu-sinwar-de7354ac

 

IDF may well previously had a claim to be the most moral army etc. But the campaign against Gaza since 2023, IMO is certainly no longer the case, nor the West Bank. The OP talks to SOE of engagement being up to 20 civilian killed for one Hamas member. To me that is not a moral or ethical SOE. Many countries, including Western democracies have deplored the killing of civilians and medical staff  in Gaza by the IDF.

 

I have never claimed their is a moral equivalency between IDF and armed Hamas members, that's just spin on your part. 

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

IDF may well previously had a claim to be the most moral army etc. But the campaign against Gaza since 2023, IMO is certainly no longer the case, nor the West Bank. The OP talks to SOE of engagement being up to 20 civilian killed for one Hamas member. To me that is not a moral or ethical SOE. Many countries, including Western democracies have deplored the killing of civilians and medical staff  in Gaza by the IDF.

 

I have never claimed their is a moral equivalency between IDF and armed Hamas members, that's just spin on your part. 

I am not interested in your opinions, I am interested in facts. 

 

Israel has not created a gold standard in civilian harm mitigation in war. That implies there is a standard in civilian casualties in war that is acceptable or not acceptable; that zero civilian deaths in war is remotely possible and should be the goal; that there is a set civilian-to-combatant ratio in war no matter the context or tactics of the enemy. But all available evidence shows that Israel has followed the laws of war, legal obligations, best practices in civilian harm mitigation and still found a way to reduce civilian casualties to historically low levels.

https://www.newsweek.com/israel-has-created-new-standard-urban-warfare-why-will-no-one-admit-it-opinion-1883286

 

On 12/30/2024 at 3:43 PM, Bkk Brian said:

Here you go again, attempting to make comparisons to terrorist's and the IDF. There is NO moral comparison, none. Only Hamas supporters would suggest otherwise. More vile rhetoric. Keep digging, not sure you'll ever get out of that hole now.

 

Israel & Hamas Are Not Morally Equivalent

The IDF never intentionally targets innocent civilians. Hamas does so everyday

“But you are morally bankrupt if you don’t demand that Hamas return all hostages. You are morally bankrupt if you don’t demand the eradication of the Hamas terror regime, which began this war …  with the horrifying and barbaric massacre of 1200+ babies, children, women, and elderly, and the kidnapping of over 240 civilians. [And you are] especially [morally bankrupt] because the Hamas charter …advocates the … destruction of Israel and the death or expulsion of all its Jews. I’ll repeat: MORALLY BANKRUPT.”

https://www.lincolninstitute.org/israel-hamas-are-not-morally-equivalent/

 

There is no moral equivalence between the IDF and Iran’s terrorist proxies

There is no moral equivalence to be drawn here; the Israel Defence Forces have gone to extraordinary lengths to minimise civilian casualties, even as the forces arrayed against them have gone to extraordinary lengths to do just the opposite, deliberately targeting civilians while using their own people as human shields.
That so many in the West have lost sight of these fundamental truths brings shame upon us all.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2024/10/06/israel-october-7-idf-gaza-lebanon-hamas-hezbollah/

https://archive.ph/9QpmW

 

David Cameron: 'No moral equivalence' between Hamas and Israel
The foreign secretary says Israel uses its military to defend its people, while Hamas "uses its people to try and defend its rockets".

https://news.sky.com/story/david-cameron-no-moral-equivalence-between-hamas-and-israel-13024206

 

No Moral Equivalency Between Israel and Hamas
Calling both Netanyahu and Sinwar ‘hard-liners’ is akin to saying the same about Churchill and Hitler.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/no-moral-equivalency-israel-hamas-netanyahu-sinwar-de7354ac

 

[Bkk Brian]

On 12/27/2024 at 12:52 PM, simple1 said:

Immediately after the Oct. 7, 2023 attack on Israel by groups of Hamas-led gunmen, the military granted mid-ranking officers the authority to strike a wide range of military targets where up to 20 civilians risked being killed, the newspaper said

 

Israeli military loosened rules of engagement at start of Gaza war, New York Times reports

An investigation from the NYT.....

 

While Israel admits it changed its rules of war in the immediate aftermath of the unprecedented attack by Hamas, Israel's 700-word statement that its forces have “consistently been employing means and methods that adhere to the rules of law.”
The changes were made in the context of a conflict that is “unprecedented and hardly comparable to other theaters of hostilities worldwide,” the statement added, citing the scale of Hamas’s attack; efforts by militants to hide among civilians in Gaza; and Hamas’s extensive tunnel network.

 

In addition there are no named sources to this so called investigation although they do name as a witness to the event with a claimed toll of 20 civilians as: "the brother" of an assignated terrorist..........lol

 

Shaldan al-Najjar, a senior commander in a militia allied with Hamas that joined the Oct. 7 attacks, were among the first casualties of Israel’s loosened standards. When it targeted him in this war, it killed not just him but also 20 members of his extended family, including a 2-month-old baby, according to his brother Suleiman, who lived in the home that was hit and witnessed the immediate aftermath. Some relatives were blown from the building. His niece’s severed hand was found in the rubble.
“Blood was splattered all over the neighbor’s wall — as though some sheep had just been slaughtered,” the brother recalled.

 

Really not surprised you believe him though.

 

Some more great propaganda pieces from the NYT

 

The Hospital Director now known as a Hamas commander and arrested last week along with dozens of Hamas terrorist's was a regular contributor.

https://x.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1873098153618227263

 

Israel arrests Gaza hospital director who wrote for New York Times, accuses him of being a Hamas terrorist

https://nypost.com/2024/12/29/world-news/israel-accuses-gaza-doctor-hussam-abu-safiya-of-being-hamas-terrorist/

 

Dozens of other bias and propaganda examples from the NYT in the links below:

https://honestreporting.com/new-york-times/

 

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

8 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

It's been said a number of times both the Israeli's should remove Netanyahu as well as other regional political players to achieve long lasting peace.

 

   Said by  Anti Israelis who want to see Israel defeated and a Hamas victory ,

   Peace can only be achieved if Hamas are removed from the equation .

Hamas need to be removed from Gaza and replaced with a moderate leadership who want a peaceful solution .

   Cannot have peace if one side only wants war 

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[simple1]

10 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

An investigation from the NYT.....

 

While Israel admits it changed its rules of war in the immediate aftermath of the unprecedented attack by Hamas, Israel's 700-word statement that its forces have “consistently been employing means and methods that adhere to the rules of law.”
The changes were made in the context of a conflict that is “unprecedented and hardly comparable to other theaters of hostilities worldwide,” the statement added, citing the scale of Hamas’s attack; efforts by militants to hide among civilians in Gaza; and Hamas’s extensive tunnel network.

 

In addition there are no named sources to this so called investigation although they do name as a witness to the event with a claimed toll of 20 civilians as: "the brother" of an assignated terrorist..........lol

 

Shaldan al-Najjar, a senior commander in a militia allied with Hamas that joined the Oct. 7 attacks, were among the first casualties of Israel’s loosened standards. When it targeted him in this war, it killed not just him but also 20 members of his extended family, including a 2-month-old baby, according to his brother Suleiman, who lived in the home that was hit and witnessed the immediate aftermath. Some relatives were blown from the building. His niece’s severed hand was found in the rubble.
“Blood was splattered all over the neighbor’s wall — as though some sheep had just been slaughtered,” the brother recalled.

 

Really not surprised you believe him though.

 

Some more great propaganda pieces from the NYT

 

The Hospital Director now known as a Hamas commander and arrested last week along with dozens of Hamas terrorist's was a regular contributor.

<snipped for brevity>. So far as I know Dr Hussam Abu Safiya has not been officially confirmed as a member of Hamas, though it wouldn't be surprising as Hamas is the so called government in Gaza who rule at the point of a gun. Wouldn't have any choice if Hamas stored weapons at his hospital which so many blindly ignore. The crux of the issue would be if he is engaged in terrorist related activity.

 

 

[simple1]

5 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Said by  Anti Israelis who want to see Israel defeated and a Hamas victory ,

   Peace can only be achieved if Hamas are removed from the equation .

Hamas need to be removed from Gaza and replaced with a moderate leadership who want a peaceful solution .

   Cannot have peace if one side only wants war 

 

Israelis regularly demonstrate against Netanyahu in huge crowds - I do not believe for one moment they wish for a Hamas victory, nor those  leaders in Western world who critique IDF killings in Gaza and the West Bank.

[Bkk Brian]

53 minutes ago, simple1 said:

<snipped for brevity>. So far as I know Dr Hussam Abu Safiya has not been officially confirmed as a member of Hamas, though it wouldn't be surprising as Hamas is the so called government in Gaza who rule at the point of a gun. Wouldn't have any choice if Hamas stored weapons at his hospital which so many blindly ignore. The crux of the issue would be if he is engaged in terrorist related activity.

 

"The crux of the issue would be if he is engaged in terrorist related activity."

 

You don't say 😔

 

😴 Still in the Hamas propaganda hole. The good doctor is arrested and accused of being a high ranking Hamas terrorist operative, along with dozens of other scum terrorists arrested at the hospital that took part in the Oct 7 massacres. 

 

• 240+ Hamas, Islamic Jihad terrorists and other operatives suspected of terrorist activities were apprehended, some of whom attempted to pose as patients or flee using ambulances. 

• Approx. 15 terrorists who infiltrated Israel during the Oct. 7 massacre as well as Hamas engineering and anti-tank missile operatives were taken in for questioning. 

• The director of the Kamal Adwan Hospital, who is suspected of being a Hamas terrorist operative, was also taken in for questioning.

• IDF special forces conducted precise activities inside the hospital locating and confiscating weapons in the area, including grenades, guns, munitions, and military equipment.

 

 

https://x.com/IDF/status/1873046464840032469

 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

 

Israelis regularly demonstrate against Netanyahu in huge crowds - I do not believe for one moment they wish for a Hamas victory, nor those  leaders in Western world who critique IDF killings in Gaza and the West Bank.

 

  The Israelis oppose Netanyahu for his internal running of the Country , just like there are protests against the Government in many other Countries . 

   Israelis seem united in the fight against Hamas .

Some Israelis may oppose Netanyahu just like all Lefties oppose Right Wing Government , but that doesn't mean that they want to surrender to Hamas and allow Hmas to win the war ,

   Two separate issues here 

[simple1]

15 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

director of the Kamal Adwan Hospital, who is suspected of being a Hamas terrorist operative

 

Correct. At this point in time, no charges. However, since Friday, there has been no sign of Abu Safiya, with international organizations, including the World Health Organization, sounding the alarm and demanding his release. With the Israeli attack on the hospital there are now no functioning hospitals on the Gaza strip with a population of approx 2.3  million people with daily ongoing bombing and other attacks by Israeli forces.

 

Some patients have been evacuated, but thousands are not receiving adequate treatment.

 

https://www.euronews.com/2024/12/31/dozens-of-injured-and-ill-patients-evacuated-from-gaza-for-medical-care?utm_source=vuukle&utm_medium=talk_of_town

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

 

Correct. At this point in time, no charges. However, since Friday, there has been no sign of Abu Safiya, with international organizations, including the World Health Organization, sounding the alarm and demanding his release. With the Israeli attack on the hospital there are now no functioning hospitals on the Gaza strip with a population of approx 2.3  million people with daily ongoing bombing and other attacks by Israeli forces.

 

Some patients have been evacuated, but thousands are not receiving adequate treatment.

 

https://www.euronews.com/2024/12/31/dozens-of-injured-and-ill-patients-evacuated-from-gaza-for-medical-care?utm_source=vuukle&utm_medium=talk_of_town

I didn't ask whether it was correct or not, I posted it knowing that already. I also know that he celebrated the Oct 7th Massacres by the terrorists on his facebook page and was called "Colonel" by many. 

 

"Multiple Palestinian media outlets refer to Abu Safiya as a Colonel in the Gaza Strip's Military Medical Services." Kamal Adwan isn't just a regular hospital—it's a military hospital.

 

However I see your still at it.................

 

Please provide a link to this claim of yours, "no functioning hospitals on the Gaza strip" That's a pretty specific claim to make and really does need a very specific link to back it up from a "credible source." 

 

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

With the Israeli attack on the hospital there are now no functioning hospitals on the Gaza strip with a population of approx 2.3  million people with daily ongoing bombing and other attacks by Israeli forces.

 

Wouldn't it be great if the terrorists released the hostages and lay down arms so all this can stop. In the meantime Hamas does its best to carry on sacrificing the civilians of Gaza. Even the PA are fighting them now in the West Bank , often with Israels help.

 

 

 

 

[simple1]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

I didn't ask whether it was correct or not, I posted it knowing that already. I also know that he celebrated the Oct 7th Massacres by the terrorists on his facebook page and was called "Colonel" by many. 

 

"Multiple Palestinian media outlets refer to Abu Safiya as a Colonel in the Gaza Strip's Military Medical Services." Kamal Adwan isn't just a regular hospital—it's a military hospital.

 

However I see your still at it.................

 

Please provide a link to this claim of yours, "no functioning hospitals on the Gaza strip" That's a pretty specific claim to make and really does need a very specific link to back it up from a "credible source." 

 

 

Wouldn't it be great if the terrorists released the hostages and lay down arms so all this can stop. In the meantime Hamas does its best to carry on sacrificing the civilians of Gaza. 

 

 

 

Why would Hamas release hostages when Netanyahu has promised to kill them all. 

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/netanyahu-says-destruction-of-hamas-part-of-the-cease-fire-proposal-according-to-media-reports

 

Apologies all hospitals in Northern Gaza, though I understand all hospitals have been attacked with very little supplies and many medical staff killed or injured and as previously mentioned thousands without treatment.

 

Since October 2023, WHO has repeatedly issued urgent calls to protect health workers and hospitals as per international humanitarian law —yet these calls remain unheard. Health facilities, workers and patients are always off limits. They must be actively protected and never be attacked, nor used for military purposes. The principles of precaution, distinction and proportionality under International Humanitarian Law are absolute and always apply.

 

https://www.who.int/news/item/28-12-2024-kamal-adwan-hospital-out-of-service-following-a-raid-today-and-repeated-attacks-since-october 

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Why would Hamas release hostages when Netanyahu has promised to kill them all. 

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/netanyahu-says-destruction-of-hamas-part-of-the-cease-fire-proposal-according-to-media-reports

 

Apologies all hospitals in Northern Gaza, though I understand all hospitals have been attacked with very little supplies and many medical staff killed or injured and as previously mentioned thousands without treatment.

 

Since October 2023, WHO has repeatedly issued urgent calls to protect health workers and hospitals as per international humanitarian law —yet these calls remain unheard. Health facilities, workers and patients are always off limits. They must be actively protected and never be attacked, nor used for military purposes. The principles of precaution, distinction and proportionality under International Humanitarian Law are absolute and always apply.

 

https://www.who.int/news/item/28-12-2024-kamal-adwan-hospital-out-of-service-following-a-raid-today-and-repeated-attacks-since-october 

Indeed, your very quick to make and spread false claims until your pulled up on it. 

 

As for this comment.

 

8 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Why would Hamas release hostages when Netanyahu has promised to kill them all. 

A disgusting response. Not worthy of a serious reply.

 

Hamas said willing to free only 22 of 34 living hostages demanded by Israel in deal

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-said-willing-to-free-only-22-of-34-living-hostages-demanded-by-israel-in-deal/

[simple1]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Indeed, your very quick to make false claims until your pulled up on it. 

 

As for this comment.

 

No words, a disgusting response not worthy of a serious reply.

 

Hamas said willing to free only 22 of 34 living hostages demanded by Israel in deal

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-said-willing-to-free-only-22-of-34-living-hostages-demanded-by-israel-in-deal/

 

I'm getting very tired of you continuous assumptive personal attacks and insults: Stop. Again why would Hamas release the hostages as Netanyahu has promised to destroy them. Many Israelis are disgusted with Netanyahu's handling of the hostages issue as are some sections of Israeli media, with very large demonstrations weekly demanding his resignation.

[Bkk Brian]

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

I'm getting very tired of you continuous assumptive personal attacks and insults: Stop. Again why would Hamas release the hostages as Netanyahu has promised to destroy them. Many Israelis are disgusted with Netanyahu's handling of the hostages issue as are some sections of Israeli media, with very large demonstrations weekly demanding his resignation.

This was not a personal attack, it was a fact. Something you are finding very difficult to deal with here. All hostages should be released with zero pre conditions.

 

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

Why would Hamas release hostages when Netanyahu has promised to kill them all. 

 

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

A disgusting response. Not worthy of a serious reply.

 

Hamas said willing to free only 22 of 34 living hostages demanded by Israel in deal

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-said-willing-to-free-only-22-of-34-living-hostages-demanded-by-israel-in-deal/

Hamas does not want to save its own civilians lives, correct, its too scared about losing their own lives, it prefers to use the Gazans as human shields and have the benefit of holding innocent hostages while they rape and abuse them including children. Barbarians and pure cowards that need eliminating and never allowed to exist as a force capable of killing or taking hostages ever again. Period

 

You ask why should they release them..............jeez, at least try to get out of that hole you dug and stop blaming Netanyahu all the time rather than the terrorists themselves, its vile.. Again there is NO moral equivilaence here. You need to re read posts already made. 

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

I'm getting very tired of you continuous assumptive personal attacks and insults: Stop. Again why would Hamas release the hostages as Netanyahu has promised to destroy them. Many Israelis are disgusted with Netanyahu's handling of the hostages issue as are some sections of Israeli media, with very large demonstrations weekly demanding his resignation.

 

   They should release the hostages because its a war crime to take hostages, its a war crime and against all international laws and rules .

   Hamas need to receive the same punishment as the Nazi war criminals did in 1946 . 

   They need to face justice for their actions .

Either execution or a life in jail .

They need to pay for their war crimes .

They cannot be allowed to commit war crimes without consequences 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

. Again why would Hamas release the hostages as Netanyahu has promised to destroy them.

 

   You do seem to be trying to blame Netanyahu for the hostages being held 

[Bkk Brian]

More on this unverified hit piece OP from the NYT

 

"Without going into too much detail and enumerating all the paper’s errors, we can point to the Times’ false report blaming the bombing of the Shifa Hospital in Gaza City on Israel, which it refused to immediately correct. The paper’s biased reporting on Israel cannot be ignored. All of this must be taken into consideration when reading a report by The New York Times, no matter how many reporters they have researching a story, especially when many of those reporting are from Gaza, where, if they report anything other than the official line of Hamas or anti-Israel propaganda, they and their family will suffer dire consequences. This, too, must be taken into consideration."

 

"It is important to keep in mind that despite their denials, reporters, hospital employees, teachers and staffers from the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA) turned out to be Hamas operatives and that even a “doctor” and his family and along with other “innocent Gazans” who held Israeli hostages as captives in their homes."

https://www.jns.org/unlike-a-famous-slogan-some-news-isnt-fit-to-print/

[simple1]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You do seem to be trying to blame Netanyahu for the hostages being held 

 

That's what many Israelis think. My understanding is because Netanyahu is pandering to the Far Right of his coalition to stay in power by setting conditions Hamas will not concur; do you know otherwise?

[simple1]

3 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Hamas need to receive the same punishment as the Nazi war criminals did in 1946 . 

 

Whilst I agree with you, that's a joke . Israel appears to claim they have killed all the leadership of Hamas except those in Qatar. Relatively few of of the Nazi leadership were executed and practically none who were doing the actual killing. Same with Japan.

[Bkk Brian]

21 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

That's what many Israelis think. My understanding is because Netanyahu is pandering to the Far Right of his coalition to stay in power by setting conditions Hamas will not concur; do you know otherwise?

 

Your understanding has not proved to be very informed so far and its still lacking. Hamas broke the November ceasefire and hostage swap deals and has not agreed to any others for over a year. The fate of the hostages has always been in their hands, where it still remains. Fact. 

[Nick Carter icp]

23 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

That's what many Israelis think. My understanding is because Netanyahu is pandering to the Far Right of his coalition to stay in power by setting conditions Hamas will not concur; do you know otherwise?

 

   How do you know what many Israelis think ?

Can you provide some evidence to show what many Israelis think ?

Also,  what are those conditions that Netanyahu has set that Hamas will not concur?

 

[Nick Carter icp]

33 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Whilst I agree with you, that's a joke . Israel appears to claim they have killed all the leadership of Hamas except those in Qatar. Relatively few of of the Nazi leadership were executed and practically none who were doing the actual killing. Same with Japan.

 

   The Nazi party were wiped out and dismantled , the same needs to happen to Hamas 

[simple1]

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The Nazi party were wiped out and dismantled , the same needs to happen to Hamas 

 

The fact is tens of thousands of Nazis who committed crimes in the SS, camps and so on were never prosecuted. Neo Nazis exist to this day in a number of countries around the world, including USA. Hamas are a different beast in that they exist in a small geographical location, but affiliated to a number of Islamist groups who believe in Salafi Jihadi ideology. Those who study Salafi Jihadi ideology in counter terrorism claim it will take many generations to lose it's influence.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

 

The fact is tens of thousands of Nazis who committed crimes in the SS, camps and so on were never prosecuted. Neo Nazis exist to this day in a number of countries around the world, including USA. Hamas are a different beast in that they exist in a small geographical location, but affiliated to a number of Islamist groups who believe in Salafi Jihadi ideology. Those who study Salafi Jihadi ideology in counter terrorism claim it will take many generations to lose it's influence.

 

   Could you reply to this post please 

 

 

"How do you know what many Israelis think ?

Can you provide some evidence to show what many Israelis think ?

Also,  what are those conditions that Netanyahu has set that Hamas will not concur?"

[simple1]

3 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   How do you know what many Israelis think ?

Can you provide some evidence to show what many Israelis think ?

Also,  what are those conditions that Netanyahu has set that Hamas will not concur?

 

 

Google search https://www.haaretz.com/, a credible Israeli media outlet among many others who report on the matters you have raised.