Why some of us did not get COVID symptoms …even though we were exposed.

[Airalee]

4 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

I don't own a TV and only watch it online for local news.

Well….the 75 year issue was covered quite extensively.  But we weren’t allowed to post any supporting links here as they weren’t from approved sources.

 

Next time something like Covid comes around or whenever there is a debate about economics/politics/etc…..try searching out some alternative media.

 

Here’s some homework to practice with.  
 

Google “Gavin Newsom declares state of emergency” and see the recent (last couple weeks) news that comes up.   probably some of your online local news sources will come up.  
 

Then….look for some of those right wing conspiracy theorist websites and see what they have to say about it,

[Airalee]

11 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Definately had that vibe in small town Isaan.  This town isn't to small and probably 5k including the surrounding villages.  They were all in on they deadly virus suppression.  Facilities were popping up all through the jungle to house the infected.  Thousands of beds - 555. 

 

What a waste of resources that could have been spent suppressing the spread where it was happening.  In densely populated areas.  Out of the previous mentioned 5,000 people in the area, not one death that I know of and I asked around.  My brother in law is the village head and he knows other village heads.  They would know but the answer was always nobody has died of Covid. There was one if you include an  obese  drunk in one of the villages that did have Covid and died but he had almost died a dozen times before Covid.

And those thousands of beds in the field hospitals mostly remained empty.  Had they been full/utilized, Thais would have most certainly posted selfies from inside them and we would have seen them on Facebook.

 

 

 

 

[Dan O]

2 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Time and again the 'expert credible sources' have been shown to be wrong.  How many times have we read that doctors were 'baffled' when the facts showed that the outcomes of their interventions (which they arrogantly touted as the One and Only truth) turned out to be disastrous.

We aren't discussing unknown scenarios or other unnamed situations.

 

You posted specific information from a non credible sources as being accurate and true. That is the topic. Its a far stretch to claim an ex-chiropractor is a credible immunology expert on this subject.

 

There are plenty of accredited medical professionals on both sides of the issue that you could use if your trying to make a point but this isn't one of them. 

[Airalee]

4 minutes ago, Dan O said:

We aren't discussing unknown scenarios or other unnamed situations.

 

You posted specific information from a non credible sources as being accurate and true. That is the topic. Its a far stretch to claim an ex-chiropractor is a credible immunology expert on this subject.

 

There are plenty of accredited medical professionals on both sides of the issue that you could use if your trying to make a point but this isn't one of them. 

All of your “credible sources” are compromised liars.

 

 

[bubblegum]

I rather go with the mainstream science on this thanks. Leave conspiracy theories to the right wing diehards.

[atpeace]

5 minutes ago, Airalee said:

And those thousands of beds in the field hospitals mostly remained empty.  Had they been full/utilized, Thais would have most certainly posted selfies from inside them and we would have seen them on Facebook.

 

 

 

 

That is what they looked like with one exception.  The main temple and an indoor arena housed 50 -100 people for about a month.  If you came from outside the province you had to spend around 10 days in the facilities.  I think they had to kickout  the hangers on (free food and a bed ) eventually when the authorities realized how ridiculous the rule was and sticking people in a crowded space obviously was more apt to spread covid than suppress it.  

 

Nobody seemed to car about science but at the same time demanded we follow their science.  I'm pretty sure science is dependent on people questioning the science...

 

Weren't the gung-ho Covid is a killer crowd here ranting that Bangokok had no beds for patients?  That is what happens when you lie to the public and resources are wasted.  Solo farmers on tractors were wearing masks -555. People just assumed many people in the area were dying and because of the fear never took a moment to reflect on reality.

[Airalee]

7 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

I rather go with the mainstream science on this thanks. Leave conspiracy theories to the right wing diehards.

 

[jas007]

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

Yes, most people don't realize that that the demonization of PROVEN effective treatments of Covid with HCQ or Ivermectin, was pushed by Big Pharma, because when an alternative treatment was allowed the mRNA gene therapy would not have gotten EUA approval. 

And so HCQ and Ivermectin which for ages had been used for treating humans with billions of doses being administered, suddenly became 'injecting bleach' and 'using horse-dewormer'.  Imo this was probably the most successful dis-information propaganda campaign ever run by Big Pharma. 

And it's actually amazing and mildly depressing that they pulled this off.  Goes to show that they think you are stupid, gullible and blindly obedient, and unfortunately they were proven right on that one...

 

Even during the pandemic, it was fairly easy to figure out that Ivermectin was a recommended treatment and would be effective.  They failed to censor all the government data. And it was also easy to figure out the role of HCQ as a zinc ionophore.  And if you were logged into Reddit, there was plenty of uncensored information there, particularly in the Conspiracy subform.  Every day there were medical doctors exchanging information and trying to figure out how to avoid getting the mandatory jabs. I think most of the hospitals required the jabs, so the doctors had two choices:  get jabbed or lose their job.  Maybe some of them also ran the risk of losing their medical licenses. 

 

Anyway, all you really had to do was see that your Vitamin D level remained high, get plenty of sunshine, and take some Zinc and a Zinc ionophore like Quercetin.  Except for the sunshine, you could order all that stuff on Amazon.  

[dinsdale]

8 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

I rather go with the mainstream science on this thanks. Leave conspiracy theories to the right wing diehards.

I'm no right wing conspiracy theory diehard. Indeed I'm not right wing but I have rational, independent thought and what this tells me is the conspiracy comes from big pharma, Fauci and the WHO not those who questioned the "mainstream science". 

[dinsdale]

7 minutes ago, jas007 said:

 

Even during the pandemic, it was fairly easy to figure out that Ivermectin was a recommended treatment and would be effective.  They failed to censor all the government data. And it was also easy to figure out the role of HCQ as a zinc ionophore.  And if you were logged into Reddit, there was plenty of uncensored information there, particularly in the Conspiracy subform.  Every day there were medical doctors exchanging information and trying to figure out how to avoid getting the mandatory jabs. I think most of the hospitals required the jabs, so the doctors had two choices:  get jabbed or lose their job.  Maybe some of them also ran the risk of losing their medical licenses. 

 

Anyway, all you really had to do was see that your Vitamin D level remained high, get plenty of sunshine, and take some Zinc and a Zinc ionophore like Quercetin.  Except for the sunshine, you could order all that stuff on Amazon.  

The thing that justified the killing of Ivermectin as a treatment was a study that used the prophylactic too late into the onset of the disease where it's efficacy is much reduced. 

[Airalee]

7 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Weren't the gung-ho Covid is a killer crowd here ranting that Bangokok had no beds for patients?

I dated a nurse who worked on the Covid ward of one of the preeminent hospitals in Bangkok.  She said to me (before the vaccine mandates and narrative directives)…..

 

”I don’t think Covid is as dangerous as they say it is.  All the people here do is chill and cough a little bit”

 

After the directives … she wouldn’t say anything.

 

I even visited her (unannounced) on her ward and it was mostly empty.  I was quickly ushered out.

 

I also continued to visit my doctors during the pandemic (at a different hospital)…it was a ghost town.

 

There are multitudes of videos from the US (obviously not on YouTube) where people basically crashed numerous hospitals and filmed the empty corridors and wards all while the MSM was going on about hospitals overflowing and people on stretchers in the hallways.

 

Meanwhile, nurses from all over the country had ample time to choreograph dances that they posted to TikTok.

 

So heroic 🙄

[atpeace]

2 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

I rather go with the mainstream science on this thanks. Leave conspiracy theories to the right wing diehards.

Should we all just line up and follow the experts?  Are we allowed to question the prevailing viewpoint?

 

I believed the vast majority of the scientists during Covid, more at the beginning but throughout, and listened to what they were recommending.  As time passed, I became more knowledgeable and had questions.  Here on AN this was not allowed by a group of nasty individuals.  

 

As a society, what are we if we can't question authority?  We become followers without control of our own destinies.   Taking away someone's freedom of choice, more so in countries where citizens are free to choose, is frustrating in the beginning but only worsens with time.

 

Listen to experts is my mantra and follow the science is antithetical to my being.  

[jas007]

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

The thing that justified the killing of Ivermectin as a treatment was a study that used the prophylactic too late into the onset of the disease where it's efficacy is much reduced. 

 I maybe wrong, but wasn't there also the issue of the emergency use authorization of the jabs because there was no alternative treatment?  They knew all along it would be effective, but they had to bypass Ivermectin as a a treatment to justify the approval of the jabs.  

[Airalee]

3 minutes ago, jas007 said:

 I maybe wrong, but wasn't there also the issue of the emergency use authorization of the jabs because there was no alternative treatment?  They knew all along it would be effective, but they had to bypass Ivermectin as a a treatment to justify the approval of the jabs.  

Sure….but they also had to discredit Ivermectin.  Hence the bogus “studies”

[jas007]

4 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Sure….but they also had to discredit Ivermectin.  Hence the bogus “studies”

They surely studied the drug as an anti-viral agent for many types of viruses.  And it was effective in slowing viral replication for a number of reasons. So they needed a bogus study?  Sounds about right. 

 

 

[atpeace]

6 minutes ago, Airalee said:

I dated a nurse who worked on the Covid ward of one of the preeminent hospitals in Bangkok.  She said to me (before the vaccine mandates and narrative directives)…..

 

”I don’t think Covid is as dangerous as they say it is.  All the people here do is chill and cough a little bit”

 

After the directives … she wouldn’t say anything.

 

I even visited her (unannounced) on her ward and it was mostly empty.  I was quickly ushered out.

 

I also continued to visit my doctors during the pandemic (at a different hospital)…it was a ghost town.

 

There are multitudes of videos from the US (obviously not on YouTube) where people basically crashed numerous hospitals and filmed the empty corridors and wards all while the MSM was going on about hospitals overflowing and people on stretchers in the hallways.

 

Meanwhile, nurses from all over the country had ample time to choreograph dances that they posted to TikTok.

 

So heroic 🙄

That is how it was here at the local hospital.  If you needed to go to the hospital for something it was empty from the beginning of Covid and the following years.  Not so anymore but still isn't too bad. 

 

I'm confident that Covid really was a killer in certain situations.  Ignoring those situations seemed to be a common strategy by governments here.  The government did a small study at the beginning of Covid here in Thailand and the results were taken down from the website.  Wish i could post the link but it showed (small sample size) in the range of 99%  of the people that had died were in high risk groups.  I posted the study on a thread here years ago and you know what happened next 🙂

[dinsdale]

11 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Sure….but they also had to discredit Ivermectin.  Hence the bogus “studies”

My guess is there were studies of the efficacy of Ivermectin when given early and the results were positive but it got buried in favour of the negative result study when Ivermectin was administered too late. An almost free solution does not make billions of dollars for big pharma.

[bradiston]

2 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Yes, most people don't realize that that the demonization of PROVEN effective treatments of Covid with HCQ or Ivermectin, was pushed by Big Pharma, because when an alternative treatment was allowed the mRNA gene therapy would not have gotten EUA approval. 

And so HCQ and Ivermectin which for ages had been used for treating humans with billions of doses being administered, suddenly became 'injecting bleach' and 'using horse-dewormer'.  Imo this was probably the most successful dis-information propaganda campaign ever run by Big Pharma. 

And it's actually amazing and mildly depressing that they pulled this off.  Goes to show that they think you are stupid, gullible and blindly obedient, and unfortunately they were proven right on that one...

Did you use those "remedies"?

[dinsdale]

10 minutes ago, atpeace said:

That is how it was here at the local hospital.  If you needed to go to the hospital for something it was empty from the beginning of Covid and the following years.  Not so anymore but still isn't too bad. 

 

I'm confident that Covid really was a killer in certain situations.  Ignoring those situations seemed to be a common strategy by governments here.  The government did a small study at the beginning of Covid here in Thailand and the results were taken down from the website.  Wish i could post the link but it showed (small sample size) in the range of 99%  of the people that had died were in high risk groups.  I posted the study on a thread here years ago and you know what happened next 🙂

This was before the Ivermectin doesn't work official narrative. As I remember positive results were shown from Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine (which were being used) when administered at very early stages of onset.

[Airalee]

3 minutes ago, bradiston said:

Did you use those "remedies"?

“Remedies”?

 

You mean “tested and proven medications”

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16115318/

 

[atpeace]

8 minutes ago, bradiston said:

Did you use those "remedies"?

I surely didn't.  The odds of me dying of Covid were not worth taking any drug.  On second thought I may have taken the vaccine but being forced to take the jab should have never happened.  

[bradiston]

7 minutes ago, Airalee said:

“Remedies”?

 

You mean “tested and proven medications”

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16115318/

 

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39457519/

 

"Conclusions: As the main finding, although Ivermectin, Chloroquine/Hydroxychloroquine, and Azithromycin might have mechanistic effects against SARS-CoV-2 infection, most phase III clinical trials observed no treatment benefit in patients with COVID-19, underscoring the need for robust phase III clinical trials."

 

Your link is to tests conducted in 2005 against SARS Cov 2. I ask you again, and the others who advocate the use of these drugs, did you use them yourselves?

[dinsdale]

4 minutes ago, bradiston said:

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39457519/

 

"Conclusions: As the main finding, although Ivermectin, Chloroquine/Hydroxychloroquine, and Azithromycin might have mechanistic effects against SARS-CoV-2 infection, most phase III clinical trials observed no treatment benefit in patients with COVID-19, underscoring the need for robust phase III clinical trials."

 

Your link is to tests conducted in 2005 against SARS Cov 2. I ask you again, and the others who advocate the use of these drugs, did you use them yourselves?

I bring you back to the case of early onset intervention and late onset intervention. If a study is set up to fail as in late intervention then the results will be constant.

[atpeace]

1 minute ago, bradiston said:

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39457519/

 

"Conclusions: As the main finding, although Ivermectin, Chloroquine/Hydroxychloroquine, and Azithromycin might have mechanistic effects against SARS-CoV-2 infection,

 

 

Your link is to tests conducted in 2005 against SARS Cov 2. I ask you again, and the others who advocate the use of these drugs, did you use them yourselves?

That is far from conclusive. It sounds like they are stating some might have shown benefits and further robust clinical trials are needed.  Am I missing something? 

 

My gut tells me you are probably right about the effectiveness but you are completely wrong about not considering the possibility it is effectiveness.  Hard to get anywhere near the truth when some can't accept there are alternative truths that conflict with their groups agenda.  

 

"most phase III clinical trials observed no treatment benefit in patients with COVID-19, underscoring the need for robust phase III clinical trials."

[jas007]

30 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

This was before the Ivermectin doesn't work official narrative. As I remember positive results were shown from Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine (which were being used) when administered at very early stages of onset.

I'll probably never be able to find it again, but there was a government document recommending Ivermectin as a treatment early on.  

 

In any event, I never even tried to obtain it after looking over the survival data for people in my age group with no co-morbidities.  Long before the jabs were approved on an emergency use basis, I knew something was fraudulent about what they were doing.  They were censoring true information.  They weren't even attempting to figure out what would work.  They were going to get those jabs into people one way or the other.  

 

My "medications" were sunshine, Vitamin D, Zinc, and a zinc ionophore, Quercetin.  I'm still here. 

[Globalres]

11 hours ago, ericbj said:

Let those who wish to be vaccinated be vaccinated.  Let those who wish to wear masks wear masks.  And the converse should also be true.

 

If you search Google you will find endless support for the restrictions imposed by officialdom.  But Google, once relatively unbiased, is known now to shape its search algorythms to suit its financial interests.  And even respected academic institutions must keep an eye on their bottom line.

 

Studies support both sides of the arguments regarding vaccines, face masks and lockdowns.

 

But there can be little doubt that there has been criminal negligence, at the very least, where those suffering from mild Covid have been turned away from hospitals without any form of advice except to return when the disease becomes serious.  And many similar such mistakes.  If errors they were.

 

The Covid virus is a large, heavy one, as viruses go.  Spread largely by contact.  And fragile.  Soap and water kills it.  No need for toxic hand-washes.  Not airborne except on droplets of spittle.  About 30,000 base units, it is said.  Whatever base units may be.  Subject to faulty replication, i.e. mutation.  Nothing like the wee polio virus which has only produced two or three mutations during its long presence amongst us.

 

According to one report "a moderate positive correlation was found between mask usage and deaths in Western Europe, which suggests that the universal use of masks may have had harmful unintended consequences."  Nothing conclusive there.  But I tend to disagree with the possible reason they offer for this.

 

According to the F.L.C.C.C. doctors and healthcare professionals (about 600 of them internationally) they had zero deaths amongst their Covid patients as long as blood oxygen was maintained above 78% (the norm being 95 to 100%).  Masks, depending upon type and upon the individual, can reduce respiratory oxygen by up to 20%.

 

Just a personal footnote:  I am unvaccinated (as regards Covid),  in my 80s, with co-morbidities, contracted what was probably Covid in October last year.  This was long a "dark red" province, up on a border not recognised by Covid, nor now by the cholera.  Three days of hell in bed, knocking back doses of the vile CDS.  Up on the fourth day.  And cycling into town on the fifth for lunch at my favourite tea-room.  Viruses have been with us for millions of years and can be knocked on the head.  The means are not lacking and the cost is negligible.

At the time Covid was still rampant, I mentioned here that people should look at the FLCCC site.

My “contribution” was removed with the remarks that it was “harmful” disinformation. How times have changed in a short time.

[dinsdale]

This was early in the piece when Campbell supported vaccination. He changed his view on this when the truth started to come out. I'm wondering if this post will stay up but it certainly is interesting.

 

[Red Phoenix]

19 minutes ago, bradiston said:

2 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Yes, most people don't realize that that the demonization of PROVEN effective treatments of Covid with HCQ or Ivermectin, was pushed by Big Pharma, because when an alternative treatment was allowed the mRNA gene therapy would not have gotten EUA approval. 

And so HCQ and Ivermectin which for ages had been used for treating humans with billions of doses being administered, suddenly became 'injecting bleach' and 'using horse-dewormer'.  Imo this was probably the most successful dis-information propaganda campaign ever run by Big Pharma. 

And it's actually amazing and mildly depressing that they pulled this off.  Goes to show that they think you are stupid, gullible and blindly obedient, and unfortunately they were proven right on that one...

Expand  

Did you use those "remedies"?

 

Nope, but I did buy Ivermectin just in case I or my loved ones would get symptoms,  But I never needed to take it, and - contrary to what you supposed me to be in a previous post - I am not a 'young and fit' guy that spend the pandemic hysteria time in Bali or other high-flyer place.  

I am a healthy (never sick) 67-year old living in the sticks in South- Isaan, and I waited it out there. 

Also I have deliberately never taken any vaccine my entire life (just like my 3 healthy - never sick - children that are now adult).  Likewise, I never take any allopathic drugs or 'necessary supplements', and will only make use of such when actually needed in the absence of natural remedies.  

Sickness is one of the least understood bodily states, and in many cases it is your body getting rid of toxins, which of course should be supported instead of being suppressed. 

[Hawaiian]

1 hour ago, Airalee said:

Well….the 75 year issue was covered quite extensively.  But we weren’t allowed to post any supporting links here as they weren’t from approved sources.

 

Next time something like Covid comes around or whenever there is a debate about economics/politics/etc…..try searching out some alternative media.

 

Here’s some homework to practice with.  
 

Google “Gavin Newsom declares state of emergency” and see the recent (last couple weeks) news that comes up.   probably some of your online local news sources will come up.  
 

Then….look for some of those right wing conspiracy theorist websites and see what they have to say about it,

Thanks for the tips, but I have my own favorites which aren't perfect but quite reliable. 

I live in the blue state of Hawaii which is corrupt as hell.  Besides following the local news online, I subscribe to an investigative news outlet whose reporters have received many awards for their journalism.  They have uncovered all kinds of

fraud and corruption.  I like the comment section that helps to furnish even more first hand information.

Both of my sons enjoy conversing with me about what is going on in the world since they do not have the time that I have.  I try to give them the unadulterated facts without any political bias and because I'm a history buff I usually am able to answer most of their questions.

[bradiston]

15 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I bring you back to the case of early onset intervention and late onset intervention. If a study is set up to fail as in late intervention then the results will be constant.

Ok, maybe this is a more balanced appraisal:

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35726131/

 

No vaccines claimed prevention, and it seems almost impossible to evaluate the prevention aspect of any drug, unless many thousands are involved and the results show unequivocal results. But all results appear to have some equivocality, so I guess the choice is anybody's to make. As it should be. Take this, or that, or nothing. I appreciate better now, that a member of any one group should not be ostracised for their decision. Jabs, pills or lifestyle. Seems some work for some, others for others. But the anti Vax approach became embroiled in conspiracy theories which just completely muddied the waters. I took my shots (partly in order to travel, partly as a form of maybe a misplaced sense of civic duty), when it was still possible, both at the beginning and end of the main pandemic. I survived 2 bouts, but now I feel strong in myself, and that's sufficient for me.