4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

I don't disagree that we can continue to research what nature has to offer. 

I don't believe pharmacology proceeded in a vacuum - in fact I know it doesn't. 

 

 

Scientific and medical facts prove you are wrong.

 

 

The debate has really become too dumb now.. I'm out.... all the best.

Before you go Richard, please point me to a paper that demonstrates that a virus (any virus) has been isolated.

 

And please not the American CDC. They are for the chop very soon.

I now know 2 people that have died from the C19 vaccine.  1 personally, and one, good friend of my brother.

 

And people still injecting that sh!t in there bodies.  Mind boggling.

35 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Before you go Richard, please point me to a paper that demonstrates that a virus (any virus) has been isolated.

 

And please not the American CDC. They are for the chop very soon.

 

 

A notable example of virus isolation is the study titled "Isolation of the virus of herpes simplex and the demonstration of intranuclear inclusions in a case of acute encephalitis," published in The American Journal of Pathology in 1943. M.G. Smith, E.H. Lennette, and H.R.

 

 

The link below shows an overview of virus isolation techniques, the chapter "Virus Isolation and Identification" in the book Laboratory Diagnosis of Infectious Diseases Principles and Practice.

The chapter offers detailed insights into various methods and practices used in the field.

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4612-3900-0_3?

 

 

Isolation of SARS-CoV-2: The paper "Culture-Based Virus Isolation To Evaluate Potential Infectivity of Clinical Specimens That Test Positive for SARS-CoV-2" discusses the isolation of the SARS-CoV-2 virus from clinical specimens.

https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/jcm.01068-20?

 

 

Isolation of a Novel Coronavirus from a Man with Pneumonia in Saudi Arabia: This study, published in The New England Journal of Medicine in 2012, reports the isolation of a novel coronavirus (later known as MERS-CoV) from a patient with pneumonia.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa1211721?

 

 

Direct Detection of Polioviruses Using a Recombinant Poliovirus Receptor-Transgenic Mouse Model: This study discusses the development of a transgenic mouse model expressing the human poliovirus receptor, facilitating the direct detection and isolation of polioviruses.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0259099&

 

 

Enhanced Isolation of Influenza Viruses in Qualified Cells: This research explores the use of MDCK33016PF cells for the isolation of influenza viruses, demonstrating higher isolation rates compared to traditional methods.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41541-021-00415-3.pdf?

 

 

 

31 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

I don't disagree that we can continue to research what nature has to offer. 

I don't believe pharmacology proceeded in a vacuum - in fact I know it doesn't. 

 

 

Scientific and medical facts prove you are wrong.

 

 

The debate has really become too dumb now.. I'm out.... all the best.

I'm surprised you stayed in the thread this long Richard, and an old saying springs to mind with regards to this dumbo you are "debating/discussing" and it goes like this: – "never argue with idiots because they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience".

 

Similar to the expression about pigs; "never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.”

 

It still amazes me that this level of stupidity and ignorance is still out there with some folk.

I'm also out of here because seeing what he/she/it has written has made me question my belief in sanity and humanity!

18 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I now know 2 people that have died from the C19 vaccine.  1 personally, and one, good friend of my brother.

 

And people still injecting that sh!t in there bodies.  Mind boggling.

 

Sorry for your loss.

 

However, it’s important to recognise that anecdotal evidence, while powerful on a personal level, does not establish a valid conclusion about the safety or efficacy of vaccines.

 

This is because personal stories lack the rigorous context, controls, and analysis required to determine cause and effect.

 

For example, many factors, such as underlying health conditions or unrelated medical issues, could explain the events you described, but they may coincidentally align with the timing of vaccination.

 

Drawing conclusions from individual experiences is a logical error known as a non-sequitur - it doesn’t follow that because two events occur close together, one necessarily caused the other. That’s why we rely on large-scale clinical trials and continuous monitoring systems like VAERS, which evaluate millions of cases with scientific rigor.

 

These systems consistently show that vaccines are overwhelmingly safe and effective, with the benefits far outweighing the risks for the vast majority of people.

 

While personal stories are compelling, they cannot replace the careful analysis of large-scale data.

6 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

 

A notable example of virus isolation is the study titled "Isolation of the virus of herpes simplex and the demonstration of intranuclear inclusions in a case of acute encephalitis," published in The American Journal of Pathology in 1943. In this research, M.G. Smith, E.H. Lennette, and H.R.

 

 

The link below shows an overview of virus isolation techniques, the chapter "Virus Isolation and Identification" in the book Laboratory Diagnosis of Infectious Diseases Principles and Practice.

The chapter offers detailed insights into various methods and practices used in the field.

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4612-3900-0_3?

 

 

Isolation of SARS-CoV-2: The paper "Culture-Based Virus Isolation To Evaluate Potential Infectivity of Clinical Specimens That Test Positive for SARS-CoV-2" discusses the isolation of the SARS-CoV-2 virus from clinical specimens.

https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/jcm.01068-20?

 

 

Isolation of a Novel Coronavirus from a Man with Pneumonia in Saudi Arabia: This study, published in The New England Journal of Medicine in 2012, reports the isolation of a novel coronavirus (later known as MERS-CoV) from a patient with pneumonia.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa1211721?

 

 

Direct Detection of Polioviruses Using a Recombinant Poliovirus Receptor-Transgenic Mouse Model: This study discusses the development of a transgenic mouse model expressing the human poliovirus receptor, facilitating the direct detection and isolation of polioviruses.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0259099&

 

 

Enhanced Isolation of Influenza Viruses in Qualified Cells: This research explores the use of MDCK33016PF cells for the isolation of influenza viruses, demonstrating higher isolation rates compared to traditional methods.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41541-021-00415-3.pdf?

 

 

 

You are wasting your time arguing with someone with the IQ of a turnip.

24 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I now know 2 people that have died from the C19 vaccine.  1 personally, and one, good friend of my brother.

 

And people still injecting that sh!t in there bodies.  Mind boggling.

People smoke and drink, on a daily basis. Alcohol and tobacco are known human carcinogens.

 

What's mind-boggling is when people then squeal like stuck pigs, at the thought of 0.5 mL once a year.

 

Are you a doctor? Your opinion on the cause of death is valueless without a post-mortem report by a health professional.

On 1/4/2025 at 5:52 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

You wanna rely on COVID advice from this guy:

 

 

No more than I value your input. 

On 1/5/2025 at 4:25 AM, Stiddle Mump said:

Before you go Richard, please point me to a paper that demonstrates that a virus (any virus) has been isolated.

 

And please not the American CDC. They are for the chop very soon.

 

So, OwlSeesAll has a new account after being banned for all his COVID nonsense. Start the clock on this account

You going to start up your Issan blog again?

29 minutes ago, kwonitoy said:

 

So, OwlSeesAll has a new account after being banned for all his COVID nonsense. Start the clock on this account

You going to start up your Issan blog again?

Are you an unlicensed detective?  Only kidding.  If true, job well done.

5 hours ago, kwonitoy said:

 

So, OwlSeesAll has a new account after being banned for all his COVID nonsense. Start the clock on this account

You going to start up your Issan blog again?

Mister Owl left AN and moved to TT.

 

The diary continues over there as 'Snaps in the Isaan Boonies'.

On 1/5/2025 at 7:01 PM, Lacessit said:

People smoke and drink, on a daily basis. Alcohol and tobacco are known human carcinogens.

 

What's mind-boggling is when people then squeal like stuck pigs, at the thought of 0.5 mL once a year.

 

Are you a doctor? Your opinion on the cause of death is valueless without a post-mortem report by a health professional.

Don't have to be a doctor to see common sense.

 

After reading these posts, I don't reckon you will have another covid jab. We have done our job in educating AN members. Up to them now.

23 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Mister Owl left AN and moved to TT.

 

The diary continues over there as 'Snaps in the Isaan Boonies'.

And here the link > https://talk.thethaiger.com/topic/35763-life-in-the-isaan-boonies

 

On 1/5/2025 at 6:29 PM, KhunLA said:

I now know 2 people that have died from the C19 vaccine.  1 personally, and one, good friend of my brother.

 

And people still injecting that sh!t in there bodies.  Mind boggling.

Yeh, riiiiight, you sure it wasn't the shock of seeing a needle.........🤭

6 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

And here the link > https://talk.thethaiger.com/topic/35763-life-in-the-isaan-boonies

 

How odd you are.......

22 minutes ago, transam said:

Yeh, riiiiight, you sure it wasn't the shock of seeing a needle.........🤭

I did state 'I personally know', and yea, it was probably the needle, as he, my cousin, died shortly after getting his booster, of a very rare ailment that doesn't run in our family.

27 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I did state 'I personally know', and yea, it was probably the needle, as he, my cousin, died shortly after getting his booster, of a very rare ailment that doesn't run in our family.

 

I know so many people that died after consuming a cup of tea... Lethal stuff that tea !!! 

 

This is the same level of coincidence judgment in causal reasoning that you applied.

 

27 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I did state 'I personally know', and yea, it was probably the needle, as he, my cousin, died shortly after getting his booster, of a very rare ailment that doesn't run in our family.

Thanks for being honest with us Sir.

 

The body sees the jab as a noxious entity that should not be there. We are all different, and react differently.

 

When the body is attacked - as in the case of a vaccine jab - it sends in the troops; globulins. There are a few, and they perform differing functions. One of them tries to break down the toxin. If that is a losing battle, another tries to coat the intruder, and move it to a place where hopefully it can do no (less) harm. Unfortunately, because of the complexity, and toxic nature, of the mRNA jab, it's not always possible for the body to 'win'.

 

According to many learned researchers, anyone having a 'real' jab (not a placebo will have serious effects with 5 years. Death being one of them. Your cousin was just unlucky.

 

Happy to take any vaccine that are appropriate. The scaremongering is going to get the science denying morons killed. No great loss.

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Don't have to be a doctor to see common sense.

 

After reading these posts, I don't reckon you will have another covid jab. We have done our job in educating AN members. Up to them now.

Common sense is not all that common. Your posts certainly have not exhibited any.

 

To me, a COVID jab is the same as a flu jab. Once a year for both is sufficient.

 

That's common sense.

Just now, cjinchiangrai said:

Happy to take any vaccine that are appropriate. The scaremongering is going to get the science denying morons killed. No great loss.

In a way, it's a pity the mortality rate is only 2-3%. Much higher is needed to weed out the idiots effectively.

28 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

I know so many people that died after consuming a cup of tea... Lethal stuff that tea !!! 

 

This is the same level of coincidence judgment in causal reasoning that you applied.

 

Not as lethal as coffee.

12 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Common sense is not all that common. Your posts certainly have not exhibited any.

 

To me, a COVID jab is the same as a flu jab. Once a year for both is sufficient.

 

That's common sense.

At some point, the covid vaccine will be included in the flu vaccine.

12 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Not as lethal as coffee.

 

Water - everyone I know who has died has drunk the stuff....   

8 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Happy to take any vaccine that are appropriate. The scaremongering is going to get the science denying morons killed. No great loss.

On the contrary, it are the gullible sheep that are getting harmed and killed by the jabs.

It is a combination of stoked-up fear and their misplaced trust in these experimental gen-therapy injections to 'protect their health' that gets them to roll-up their sleeves.  But there is at same time also the nagging doubt in the back of their minds that they might have irrepairably damaged their precious immune system by doing so, which makes them over-shouting their doubts and fears, by defending the 'virtues' of these shots as touted by Big Pharma and their cronies.  And this while anybody taking attention has noticed how over time the '100 % safe and effective' official narrative that got them on board to take the jabs, has been watered down to just 'some protection against adverse effects' of catching Covid-19. 

There is a reason that the large majority of people are now shunning every new recommended booster-shot for Covid. 

So a new threat has to be created, yep the bird-flu or another lab-leaked 'deadly virus'. 

 

10 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

At some point, the covid vaccine will be included in the flu vaccine.

 

I can also see that happening...  (If they can be combined of course, as with the DTP/DTaP/Tdap vaccines).

 

I can actually understand 'some' of the reticence towards taking the Covid-19 vaccines, partially due to the speed with which they were produced which has fuelled social media conspiracy and thus fuelled concern.

 

One of the aspects of the Covid-19 vaccines (at least the 3 different types I had), was the 'dead arm' - I've never encountered that with any other vaccines - but, it is my understand that these vaccines are designed to are designed to elicit a stronger immune response, which initially manifests itself locally, its a sign the vaccine is working - but its great fuel for the anti-Covid-vaxxers.

 

But, that aside, there is another more worrying facet to this discussion which is not just about Anti-Covid Vaccines, but actually is about Anti-all vaccines... It is this level of delusional denial thats worrying.

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

On the contrary, it are the gullible sheep that are getting harmed and killed by the jabs.

It is a combination of stoked-up fear and their misplaced trust in these experimental gen-therapy injections to 'protect their health' that gets them to roll-up their sleeves.  But there is at same time also the nagging doubt in the back of their minds that they might have irrepairably damaged their precious immune system by doing so, which makes them over-shouting their doubts and fears, by defending the 'virtues' of these shots as touted by Big Pharma and their cronies.  And this while anybody taking attention has noticed how over time the '100 % safe and effective' official narrative that got them on board to take the jabs, has been watered down to just 'some protection against adverse effects' of catching Covid-19. 

There is a reason that the large majority of people are now shunning every new recommended booster-shot for Covid. 

So a new threat has to be created, yep the bird-flu or another lab-leaked 'deadly virus'. 

 

I think you are confused, you, Blue Sphinx, that has a strange thing about Covid and vaccines, oh, and your anti-clique........😁

27 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

In a way, it's a pity the mortality rate is only 2-3%. Much higher is needed to weed out the idiots effectively.

Your wish that the mortality rate would be much higher, is slowly but steadily taking place. 

And contrary to what you think, the 'idiots' that will be culled are not the common-sensers that refused to get coerced into taking the experimental shots, but those that went along with the propaganda and have now seriously harmed or even destroyed their immune system. 

12 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Happy to take any vaccine that are appropriate. The scaremongering is going to get the science denying morons killed. No great loss.

Appropriate??? What? Deemed appropriate by who?

 

That we need a vaccine (any vaccine) is built on myth; a theory in fact.

 

Big business has taken over medical science. Big Pharma controls all; at least in the west. The white-coat programmes, the reference libraries, the lecturing. the protocols etc.

 

I am fundamentally interested in what is actually true. Scientific Medicine is (guess) 90% utter nonsense. Of course, there have been advances in certain areas of medicine, but we have gone backwards in understanding about nature, and how we (humans) fit into it. After all we are an integral part of it. But also insignificant in the big picture, 

 

How we can both learn, and utilize, what nature has to offer, should be the first year's training for any budding white-coat (doctor).

 

And why is there this disjuction between good health and sickness? I put it down to the hi-jacking of common sense natural medicine. Towards medicine being primarily a money making concern, for the rich to get even richer.

 

A well person is not a Big Pharma customer.

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Appropriate??? What? Deemed appropriate by who?

 

That we need a vaccine (any vaccine) is built on myth; a theory in fact.

 

Big business has taken over medical science. Big Pharma controls all; at least in the west. The white-coat programmes, the reference libraries, the lecturing. the protocols etc.

 

I am fundamentally interested in what is actually true. Scientific Medicine is (guess) 90% utter nonsense. Of course, there have been advances in certain areas of medicine, but we have gone backwards in understanding about nature, and how we (humans) fit into it. After all we are an integral part of it. But also insignificant in the big picture, 

 

How we can both learn, and utilize, what nature has to offer, should be the first year's training for any budding white-coat (doctor).

 

And why is there this disjuction between good health and sickness? I put it down to the hi-jacking of common sense natural medicine. Towards medicine being primarily a money making concern, for the rich to get even richer.

 

A well person is not a Big Pharma customer.

Like HPV. It is not appropriate for me. It would not hurt me, but it would not be helpful either. As for the rest of this nonsense, you are delusional denying one of the most important medical developments ever. That you are here to spread this mess tells me that vaccines work.