17 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

IIRC the lefts narrative was blacks were not educated enough to get ID. Is that your position? Or is there perhaps another reason why such insanity prevailed?

 

https://thecitizen.com/2021/04/12/democrats-insult-millions-of-blacks-who-have-photo-ids/

 

Nice try, no cigar. We know the game you guys were playing. Its all over now, democracy is saved.

And you still have no proof that elections have been rigged because of foreigners allegedly voting! 😀

7 minutes ago, candide said:

You're welcome!

And you still haven't shown any proof of a significant number of foreigners voting

 

Ah, but as this isn't the "Off the beaten track" section, my proof is most likely to be invalidated as "misinformation", you see…

 

No matter, this ridiculous debate will soon be a thing of the past.

1 hour ago, candide said:

Gag! It's already the case (except in a few local elections). Only American citizen can vote.

Another lame attempt by the GOP to substantiate its ridiculous claims of rigged elections. 😆

 

Murder and bank robbery and shoplifting are also illegal.

 

Who needs enforcement when you have a law?

1 hour ago, candide said:

Yet, Non-American citizens already cannot vote in U.S. presidential elections.

 

SAVE ACT

 

This bill requires individuals to provide documentary proof of U.S. citizenship in order to register to vote in federal elections.

Specifically, the bill prohibits states from accepting and processing an application to register to vote in a federal election unless the applicant presents documentary proof of U.S. citizenship.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/8281

 

If this is just a rehash of already current law, then what's the problem?  Why would you oppose legislation that makes no significant changes?

 

If there are no illegals voting, then nothing will come of it, and the republicans are just wasting their time with a useless public relations exercise.

 

Wouldn't you prefer them expending their resources on trivial nothingburgers, than writing legislation that will affect the country?  Do you want them to start working to rename the "Gulf of Mexico" instead?

19 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Ah, but as this isn't the "Off the beaten track" section, my proof is most likely to be invalidated as "misinformation", you see…

 

No matter, this ridiculous debate will soon be a thing of the past.

If not valid, it's not a proof!

42 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Not sure either you or the felon will survive 4 years, but if you do, expect, at best, abject mediocrity....and at worst, a Depression and double digit unemployment.

 

Who is the Infallible One going to blame that on? Maybe Hugo Chavez? Wind turbines? Electric boats?

You've finally gotten your posts down to a few sentences. Good job. Time to shake and bake.

1 minute ago, candide said:

If not valid, it's not a proof!

 

Okay, candide, you have the last word… Enjoy!

Just now, NoDisplayName said:

 

SAVE ACT

 

This bill requires individuals to provide documentary proof of U.S. citizenship in order to register to vote in federal elections.

Specifically, the bill prohibits states from accepting and processing an application to register to vote in a federal election unless the applicant presents documentary proof of U.S. citizenship.

 

If this is just a rehash of already current law, then what's the problem?

 

If there are no illegals voting, then nothing will come of it, and the republicans are just wasting their time with a useless public relations exercise.

 

Wouldn't you prefer them expending their resources on trivial nothingburgers, than writing legislation that will affect the country?  Do you want them to start working to rename the "Gulf of Mexico" instead?

My point is that it's an attempt to substantiate the imaginary voter fraud argument.

 

Having said that, I don't understand why there isn't a mandatory national ID card system in the U.S, as in most countries. That would make everything more simple.

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Only one reason the left stopped id being required to vote in swing states they were frantically bussing and flying illegals too. Anyway, its all OVAH you guys lost bigly. There will be rigorous election security and photo id required, just like when people buy liquor, drive a car etc etc. Its not racist to have to provide id to vote. It saves democracy - a favourite narrative of mine purloined from lefties who were doing everything to destroy it.

Who would of thought that 

 

52 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

IIRC the lefts narrative was blacks were not educated enough to get ID. Is that your position? Or is there perhaps another reason why such insanity prevailed?

 

https://thecitizen.com/2021/04/12/democrats-insult-millions-of-blacks-who-have-photo-ids/

 

Nice try, no cigar. We know the game you guys were playing. Its all over now, democracy is saved.

they / them aren’t even citizens of our country!

For all we know they/ them are part of the international crowd that want to

burn the system to the ground!They/ them have no clue what Black America wants.

Daileywire sent out Reporter Ami Horowitz to survey woke white progressives  and than Black Americans , heres a 4:00 minute clip

showing how deranged the Woke left

have  become regarding Voter ID.

 

 

2 minutes ago, candide said:

My point is that it's an attempt to substantiate the imaginary voter fraud argument.

 

Having said that, I don't understand why there isn't a mandatory national ID card system in the U.S, as in most countries. That would make everything more simple.

 

That's because the US is composed of 57 individual, sovereign states, and that elections for national offices are run by each state setting their own rules.

 

If there is NO voter fraud, the democrats can make their points by adding a clause in the legislation mandating regular publication of voter fraud statistics.  Then each month they'll have updated talking points to regurgitate on all the talk shows. 

7 minutes ago, riclag said:

Who would of thought that 

 

they / them aren’t even citizens of our country!

For all we know they/ them are part of the international crowd that want to

burn the system to the ground!They/ them have no clue what Black America wants.

Daileywire sent out Reporter Ami Horowitz to survey woke white progressives  and than Black Americans , heres a 4:00 minute clip

showing how deranged the Woke left

have  become regarding Voter ID.

 

 

The conclusion, Black Americans came to, was progressives who push this woke narrative of Voter suppression ,are Ignorant .

Just now, riclag said:

The conclusion Black Americans came to, was progressives who push this woke narrative of Voter ID, are Ignorant .

And racist

Putin got what he paid for, an illiterate at the helm. It is not just America facing disaster.

1 minute ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Putin got what he paid for, an illiterate at the helm. It is not just America facing disaster.

 

The disaster was the past four years.

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

Calm down, the best is yet to come. 4 more years baby.

 

I'm just wondering how many rounds of golf Trump will play this time around.

Republicans at their dirty anti democracy white nationalist tricks again.

The idea is to suppress as many votes from the poor and ethnic minorities as possible.

To create more hoops to jump through.

To intimidate people from even bothering.

 

6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I'm just wondering how many rounds of golf Trump will play this time around.

Don't know, hey how many hours did Biden spend drooling in his beach chair?

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Republicans at their dirty anti democracy white nationalist tricks again.

The idea is to suppress as many votes from the poor and ethnic minorities as possible.

To create more hoops to jump through.

To intimidate people from even bothering.

 

 

Further, the bill (1) prohibits states from registering an individual to vote in a federal election unless, at the time the individual applies to register to vote, the individual provides documentary proof of U.S. citizenship; and (2) requires states to establish an alternative process under which an applicant may submit other evidence to demonstrate U.S. citizenship.

 

Those evil republicans, adding a mandate in the legislation for the states to design their own alternative methods to prove citizenship!

 

What exactly are you afraid of?  That ineligible voters might be removed from the voter rolls?  Don't worry, the dead are still citizens.

 

 

46 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

The disaster was the past four years.

All those jobs have been terrible, got it.

3 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

All those jobs have been terrible, got it.

Are you referring to people returning to work after the pandemic, and trying to imply it was the democrats brilliant policies responsible for that(after dem fear mongering on a nuclear scale during Trumps term where propaganda channels even had a death count chyron which vanished the day Trump left office).

Just so dishonest, and no, these days you will be called out for such tricks.

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

Don't know, hey how many hours did Biden spend drooling in his beach chair?

Maybe the same amount of time as you do.

"You can fool some of the people all of the time"

 

When Abraham Lincoln said that, he must have had MAGAs in mind, because they sure get fooled easily.

 

First, the eternally whining POTUS-elect, said yesterday he "is inheriting a terrible economy". Really?

 

The clown passed on a Recession and 6.8% unemployment. He is inheriting a booming economy and low UE. Yesterday the equity market was surprised when data was released showing a much larger than expected number of job openings. THAT is how strong the economy 47 is inheriting is, but his goobers will believe his lies, not reality. Since 2020, the US has grown at 3 times the average G7 economy, and now sports lower inflation than most nations, The US produces more energy than it consumes. In 2024, both Consumer Spending and Consumer Savings grew, something more in line with the 1960s than the 2020s. It is the best of times, at least since the Clinton years, though admittedly the poorly educated MAGAs have been left out, as they lack the skills and talents to prosper in the modern economy.

 

I hope you MAGAs are satisfied with the "Gulf of America", because prosperity is absolutely not in your future. The guy who couldn't make a business work where addicted people line up to hand you their money (casinos), and save for a Game Show spent his life flittering away his sizable inheritance, has no clue how to manage a $35 trillion economy. He blew it last time, when he had at least a couple of competent people around him, so absent the Steve Cohns, he is virtually guaranteed to fail.

 

There is also a not-so-subtle change in the US, which MAGAs lack the intellect and insight to appreciate, or else they have fantasies and delusions about how their lives might become better under 47. The joke will be on them.

 

As the US becomes Russia is almost every sense, save for its soon-to-be psychopathic leader lacks the intellect of his hero Putin, look who benefits the most:  Oligarchs.

 

Consider: Elon Musk put $250,000,000 into getting a convicted felon re-elected. Since the election, Musk's net worth has jumped $140,000,000,000. That's a 56,000% return on investment in 2 months. Eat your hearts out, Crypto Bros!

 

Yesterday, META CEO Mark Zuckerberg, showing Girlyman fealty, announced his company would stop fact checking. That will save his company $5 billion. The guy had two reasons for doing that. One is that in numerous statements over the last few years, largely a result of FB previously banning 47 from it's site, Zuckerberg has been threatened with life in prison. The second reason is that cutting $5 billion in costs might juice company stock enough that Zuckerberg stands to see his net worth jump by $15-22 billion, if P/E stays the same.

 

Funny thing....MAGAs, who suck up every utterance from their bloated messiah, love the term "Fake News". Consider reality: ACTUAL news and journalism is expensive. Sending reporters around the world, and then doing fact checking, costs money. There are, in actuality, precious few instances where legacy media has erred and produced something inaccurate or untrue. Usually, when an error is made, media corrects itself. Of course sometimes media lies and pays a price, such as Fox and its $787 million settlement with Dominion Voting Machines. Actual "Fake News" is cheap, because anyone can make up anything. The POTUS-elect is an expert at creating Fake News, but as usual, he projects his own sins on to others. With META throwing in the towel and kissing the ring, Fake News is going to become even more prevalent, and this at a time when people increasingly get their news from hermetically sealed echo chambers, either places like Fox, or else places driven by algorithms whose goal is to manufacture outrage, as outrage=eyeballs + clicks=MONEY.

 

Now for more Oligarchy......

 

Consider this: the richest 25 Americans pay an average tax rate of 6%. Their secretaries likely pay 4 times that. POTUS-elect wants to be accepted by the "cool kids" and people who were actually successful, so policy is geared toward oligarchy. One social media company---from which maybe 40% of Americans get their news---controls a massive percent of sm space. One search company controls 90% of all international searches. One online retailer controls more than half of worldwide online sales. Show fealty to the autocrat, and he'll not weaponize government against you.

 

What will 47 do to better the lives of the MAGAs the modern world has left behind? As Edwin Starr sang, "Absolutely Nothin'", (say it again).

 

Tariffs are going to help the average Walmart shopper? Hardly. Of course, if the incoming POTUS actually spends the $billions it will take to deport 11 million people, lots of strawberry-picking and janitorial jobs will open up, so MAGAs have that. Or maybe "patriotic MAGAs", like the terrorists who tried to hang the VP and overthrow democracy on 6 Jan 2021, can sign up for military escapades in Greenland and Panama. Lets see if their really have any testosterone. (I'll go with the Vikings and MS-13 over obese MAGAs.)

 

I suspect there are a few multi millionaires on this Forum. I know one (me) and I know another (who has left the site after the election). Yes, we will benefit financially if taxes are cut. I'm immune to the stock market decline I see coming, so I'll gain in a relative sense, too. I'd prefer the economy not collapse, but I don't see any other possibility. If MAGAs think the Biden years were bad, they will soon be viewing them as the good old days.

 

Yes, MAGAs, elections have consequences. I don't think you're going to like them.

 

You MAGAs get disappointment; I get schadenfreude.

17 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Maybe the same amount of time as you do.

I know you can do better. I have faith.

1 hour ago, cjinchiangrai said:

All those jobs have been terrible, got it.

 

As of November 2024, the number of long-term unemployed people, or those jobless for 27 weeks or more, was 1.7 million, up from 1.2 million a year earlier, according to the BLS. Meanwhile, the number of unemployed people in November 2024 was 7.1 million, up from 6.3 million in November 2023, the BLS reported.

 

Job seekers also have faced increased competition while applying for jobs. In 2023, job seekers had to send an average of 254 applications to get a job, compared to an average of 294 applications in 2024, according to Pathrise.

 

A Workday report published in September 2024 found that competition is growing in several industries, with the most competitive being media, technology and communications, which had an average of 30 applicants per offer.

 

Numbers Don’t Lie: Data Barrage Shows Just How Hard It Is For Americans To Find Jobs Under Biden | The Daily Caller

 

Yeah.  Big win there.  Averaging 294 applications to get one job, with 30 applicants per open position.

 

If you want an unbiased look at the actual job situation, quit listening to the MSM and the politicians.  (Especially in an election year).  Head over to the St Louis Federal Reserve data and drill down.  It's not pretty.  Except for foreign born workers and gub'ment employees.  They're seeing growth.  The foreign born jobs aren't increasing nearly as fast as the foreign born population, though.  They're going to put the illegals into the labor pool once Trump gets in, and it'll look like unemployment spiked.  It didn't.  They're just not counting them now as "unemployed".

 

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/

 

24 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

As of November 2024, the number of long-term unemployed people, or those jobless for 27 weeks or more, was 1.7 million, up from 1.2 million a year earlier, according to the BLS. Meanwhile, the number of unemployed people in November 2024 was 7.1 million, up from 6.3 million in November 2023, the BLS reported.

 

Job seekers also have faced increased competition while applying for jobs. In 2023, job seekers had to send an average of 254 applications to get a job, compared to an average of 294 applications in 2024, according to Pathrise.

 

A Workday report published in September 2024 found that competition is growing in several industries, with the most competitive being media, technology and communications, which had an average of 30 applicants per offer.

 

Numbers Don’t Lie: Data Barrage Shows Just How Hard It Is For Americans To Find Jobs Under Biden | The Daily Caller

 

Yeah.  Big win there.  Averaging 294 applications to get one job, with 30 applicants per open position.

 

If you want an unbiased look at the actual job situation, quit listening to the MSM and the politicians.  (Especially in an election year).  Head over to the St Louis Federal Reserve data and drill down.  It's not pretty.  Except for foreign born workers and gub'ment employees.  They're seeing growth.  The foreign born jobs aren't increasing nearly as fast as the foreign born population, though.  They're going to put the illegals into the labor pool once Trump gets in, and it'll look like unemployment spiked.  It didn't.  They're just not counting them now as "unemployed".

 

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/

 

The bureaucracy unburdened by deceitful bureaucrats on the left!

What a wicked web the government 

weaves! DOGE to the rescue.

Elections have Consequences.

4 hours ago, candide said:

Gag! It's already the case (except in a few local elections). Only American citizen can vote.

Another lame attempt by the GOP to substantiate its ridiculous claims of rigged elections. 😆

 

It's just a few elections, a handful of apartment blocks under thirds world gang control, a couple hundred thousand missing smuggled children, several random rapes and killings, a couple trillion dollars.