I'm too pissed to read it and it's not 12 yet! We will all be dead soo then it will be too late to get pissed 😆

 

 

44 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

the latest new one MHPV or something like it.

 

It's actually HMPV (Human Metapneumonia Virus) Been around for decades. 1^st identified in 2001 and can be traced back to the 70's so it's endemic. Like covid for most people it's a non-severe virus.
 

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Liver and kidney according to the missus. Interestingly there's been quite a lot of diabetes related deaths around the village recently. As for alcohol being a poison, yep. Ethanol is a poison but the liver deals with it. The liver, however, can only do so much hence drinking in moderation. To say even one glass is harmful I guess it is in a way but overall the the liver can handle it. It's when someone drinks too much and/or too constantly that the liver has problems metabolizing ethanol.

 

Not easy to compare East with West in this regard. Lao kao aside, Thailand's sky high rates of liver cancer often involve history of hepatitis, plus there are dietary factors such as dishes like koi plaa which causes liver flukes.

6 hours ago, save the frogs said:

maybe you can get away with a couple of drinks a week without any negative impact. 

 

or try your luck drinking daily if you're feeling lucky, punk.

 

 

 

I like this famous scene(at the end of the first episode of Dirty Harry19）.

Time for me to have one little drink. Hmmm maybe two. Maybe more but most definitely NOT any non-alcoholic rubbish. 

8 hours ago, soalbundy said:

Breathing is pretty risky as well.

Yea , If one believes everything they say one will Die,

You can't eat or drink anything  or they will have to say that it Maybe bad for some organ /part of ones body

Right it May,     But it Doesn't  it isn't proven.

Last time I checked, death was 100% guaranteed, so there's little point worrying about. Especially at my age!

5 hours ago, NoshowJones said:

Really?? How many shows has he cancelled recently?

 No idea, but at 80, he's doing really well...  He mentioned his wine drinking on this interview with Dan Rather:
 

 

2 hours ago, bangadang said:

 No idea, but at 80, he's doing really well...  He mentioned his wine drinking on this interview with Dan Rather:

yep, looks remarkably well for his age.

 

the only famous person I've seen twice. once in a shopping mall with bodyguards. and another time in a restaurant in florida. 

 

10 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Not many lao khao drinkers get old. That shts poison.

 

 

It's not the Lao khao per se , it's the quantity they drink. Same as vodka , tequila, gin ,rum etc. 

 

If you hammer any hard alcohol from dusk till dawn you are not long for this earth.

 

Better to not touch any alcohol or drug at all. Even excessive carpet munching has been found to be detrimental to health.

 

It's a wonderful  life if you don't  weaken. 

 

 

10 hours ago, Hummin said:

you can drink and do drugs as long you have good genes and also have resources. Most people do not have that kind of resources and not able to go to rehab and clean up both body and mind. 

 

It helps to have an passion and a strong mind as well will to live.

 

Keith Richards, it is a miracle he is still alive, if he is real, and not just an rockn roll actor. Anyway, he is an legend who is still walking and even playing at an age of 81. 

His mate Ronnie Wood is not doing to bad either .....he drinks just as much as Keith I beleive? 😆 

I like drinking once a week, the guys drinking daily are either alcoholics or pre-alcoholics

6 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

I like drinking once a week, the guys drinking daily are either alcoholics or pre-alcoholics

 Not necessarily. Why label people?  Are people who have sex every day are addicted? I drink water every day. What does that prove? I agree daily is probably unwise, but I don't think Rod is an alcoholic, and at 80, who cares?

 

2 hours ago, bangadang said:

 Not necessarily. Why label people?  Are people who have sex every day are addicted? I drink water every day. What does that prove? I agree daily is probably unwise, but I don't think Rod is an alcoholic, and at 80, who cares?

 

Many are in denial, maybe you're pre alcoholic, maybe you're alcoholic, time will tell

The liver is there to flush out toxins. If you drink every day and don't give it time to process the bad stuff it will store the waste as fat causing fatty liver and stressing it, possibly leading to cirrhosis.

 

If you drink in moderation and abstain for a few days a week it will lessen the chance of damage.

 

No amount is totally safe but if you choose to drink, moderation is the key and it's crucial to monitor your weekly units if you're serious about controlling your intake.

 

Drinking every day is a recipe for eventual ill health.

 

 

On 1/17/2025 at 6:05 PM, georgegeorgia said:

Brain cells my friend 

Considering  your own circumstances, have you stopped  drinking?

Beware the  fate of Trent Tiger Pants.

On 1/18/2025 at 10:20 AM, Hummin said:

you can drink and do drugs as long you have good genes and also have resources. Most people do not have that kind of resources and not able to go to rehab and clean up both body and mind. 

 

It helps to have an passion and a strong mind as well will to live.

 

Keith Richards, it is a miracle he is still alive, if he is real, and not just an rockn roll actor. Anyway, he is an legend who is still walking and even playing at an age of 81. 

As far as I can tell from his autobiography Keith has never had a job, and he has almost exclusively been a Rolling Stone as far as being a working musician. I know "Sophisticated Winos" a few projects, that's why I said exclusively.

I read a couple of books by and about the Stones a couple years ago and I think one of them said that Keith was committed to being a layabout if he didn't make it as a musician.

According to "Celebrity Net Worth" on the internet he is worth one $500 million.

More power to him, his music has given me a lot of enjoyment over the years.

Judging by my mates who dropped dead a stone ,yes of course ,they were all boozers 

R

IP to them all

I just ordered two beers 

 

CHEERS 🤘

On 1/19/2025 at 1:00 PM, scubascuba3 said:

Many are in denial, maybe you're pre alcoholic, maybe you're alcoholic, time will tell

 And what? You come across as very self-righteous and pompous. Nothing worse than a preacher.

23 hours ago, Baht Simpson said:

The liver is there to flush out toxins. If you drink every day and don't give it time to process the bad stuff it will store the waste as fat causing fatty liver and stressing it, possibly leading to cirrhosis.

 

If you drink in moderation and abstain for a few days a week it will lessen the chance of damage.

 

No amount is totally safe but if you choose to drink, moderation is the key and it's crucial to monitor your weekly units if you're serious about controlling your intake.

 

Drinking every day is a recipe for eventual ill health.

 

 

 I agree three days a week off is wise, but there is NO one way that suits all. Some are genetically stronger than others; some drink beer/wine, not whisky, and some drink plenty of water. MANY variables.

2 minutes ago, bangadang said:

 And what? You come across as very self-righteous and pompous. Nothing worse than a preacher.

Have another drink and relax

Just now, scubascuba3 said:

Have another drink and relax

 
Thank you - I never drink during the daytime, nor every day. Despite your attempts to paint me or anyone else as alcoholic because you feel so smug being teetotal. My father drank daily and died at 92 - Rods Stewart is still a major rock star and is 80. Churchill managed, and won WW2, and drank far too much. You are oversimplifying it to justify your personal choices. Cheers! 

On 1/18/2025 at 6:44 AM, georgegeorgia said:

Does anyone here over say 60 still drink the night before and have energy the next day ?

 

What side effects do you get ?

 Sure! If you balance your life, why not?  plenty of water helps and sleep of course. There is way too much proselytising on here, IMHO. Do everything in a balanced way - this includes, alcohol, sex, chocolate, driving at speed etc. 

On 1/18/2025 at 10:12 AM, bangadang said:

 I agree on quality, not quantity. Rod Stewart is still going strong and drinks a bottle of wine a day.

Yes, a bottle of red wine a day with my main meal was standard procedure for me, even when I got here 18 years ago, however now I've cut it back to half a bottle per night, followed by a small glass of Portuguese port.

 

I don't suffer in the morning, and maybe it's to do with my genes because my birth father lived to be 88 years old and was a regular pub goer, and my birth mother 84 or thereabouts.

 

In summary, I don't see myself giving up the red wine, and try to stick to the quality wines, even though occasionally I will imbibe on one of the cheaper wines if my evening meal is a spicy/Thai/Indian meal.

 

A little story for you – – around 2002 I did a tour of French vineyards along with a French wine merchant and we were in the cellar, near Beaune, of a wine producer M Bocqanet, tasting some of his wines, and they were delightful. Then an older portly man with the traditional French beret came into the cellar and helped himself to a large glass of wine and lit up a cigarette! When I asked about him, M Bocquanet told me he was his father and at the age of 75 (or was it 78?) was still working in the vineyard and loved his red wine and cigarettes and he looked in "rude health".

 

I know everyone is different, but that gave me some hope for the future!!!!!

28 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Yes, a bottle of red wine a day with my main meal was standard procedure for me, even when I got here 18 years ago, however now I've cut it back to half a bottle per night, followed by a small glass of Portuguese port.

 

I don't suffer in the morning, and maybe it's to do with my genes because my birth father lived to be 88 years old and was a regular pub goer, and my birth mother 84 or thereabouts.

 

In summary, I don't see myself giving up the red wine, and try to stick to the quality wines, even though occasionally I will imbibe on one of the cheaper wines if my evening meal is a spicy/Thai/Indian meal.

 

A little story for you – – around 2002 I did a tour of French vineyards along with a French wine merchant and we were in the cellar, near Beaune, of a wine producer M Bocqanet, tasting some of his wines, and they were delightful. Then an older portly man with the traditional French beret came into the cellar and helped himself to a large glass of wine and lit up a cigarette! When I asked about him, M Bocquanet told me he was his father and at the age of 75 (or was it 78?) was still working in the vineyard and loved his red wine and cigarettes and he looked in "rude health".

 

I know everyone is different, but that gave me some hope for the future!!!!!

 
Thank you for sharing. Thousands of years after Jesus turned water into wine, we don't need to worry too much IF we lead a balanced life. Enjoy your wine!  Cheers!

On 1/18/2025 at 5:33 AM, soalbundy said:

Breathing is pretty risky as well.

 

As is one bargirl a day.

On 1/17/2025 at 10:41 AM, Rimmer said:

 

The idea that "moderate" alcohol consumption is safe—or even beneficial—has been increasingly challenged by scientific research. Here’s a closer look at how alcohol affects the body and why even small amounts may be harmful:

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1. Risks of One Alcoholic Drink a Day

• Cardiovascular Health: While some earlier studies suggested that moderate drinking, such as one drink per day, might reduce heart disease risk, more recent research indicates that these benefits are not as clear. Any amount of alcohol can raise blood pressure and increase the risk of arrhythmias and stroke.
• Cancer Risk: Alcohol is classified as a Group 1 carcinogen by the International Agency for Research on Cancer. Even one drink per day can increase the risk of cancers like breast, esophageal, and liver cancer.
• Liver Strain: Alcohol is processed by the liver, and even small amounts can contribute to liver inflammation and damage over time.
• Mental Health: Alcohol is a depressant and can contribute to anxiety and depression, even at low levels of consumption.

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2. Risks of Two Alcoholic Drinks a Day

The risks become more pronounced with two or more drinks per day:

• Increased Mortality Risk: Studies have found that drinking two or more drinks daily can significantly increase the risk of premature death, primarily due to heart disease, stroke, and cancer.
• Cognitive Decline: Chronic alcohol consumption is linked to a higher risk of dementia and cognitive impairment. Two drinks daily can accelerate this process.
• Addiction Potential: Regular consumption of two drinks a day may lead to dependence over time, as tolerance develops.
• Digestive System Damage: Alcohol irritates the stomach lining, increasing the risk of gastritis and ulcers, and contributes to pancreatitis.

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3. The "J-Curve" Myth

The "J-curve" hypothesis suggests that light drinkers have lower mortality than non-drinkers and heavy drinkers. However, this has been questioned:

• Bias in Studies: Many studies did not adequately separate lifelong abstainers from former drinkers (who may have quit due to health issues).
• Confounding Factors: Light drinkers might have other healthy lifestyle habits, skewing results.

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4. Alternatives for Cardiovascular Health

The supposed benefits of alcohol for heart health, like red wine’s antioxidants, can be obtained from non-alcoholic sources such as:

• Eating fruits and vegetables rich in polyphenols (e.g., berries, grapes).
• Engaging in regular physical activity.
• Maintaining a balanced diet low in processed foods.

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5. Emerging Guidelines

Public health guidelines are moving toward stricter recommendations:

• WHO Position: No amount of alcohol is considered safe for health.
• Canada’s 2023 Guidelines: Strongly recommend limiting alcohol consumption to two drinks per week.

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Conclusion

Even one alcoholic drink per day carries risks, particularly for cancer and cardiovascular health, and the harms escalate with two drinks. Choosing alternatives like non-alcoholic beverages or focusing on other health-promoting habits is a better way to reduce the risk of long-term harm.

 

Any link for these statements?

On 1/18/2025 at 8:20 AM, bokningar said:

Listen to scaremongering is dangerous for you.

Being happy is healthy for you.

My brother thought the same way, he lived a hedonistic life style with alcohol and drugs and now lies in a Birmingham hospice waiting to die, his liver has only a 10% function. He was never one for introspection and had no guiding philosophy, I can only imagine that he is now lonely and frightened, 50 is too young to die.

55 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

My brother thought the same way, he lived a hedonistic life style with alcohol and drugs and now lies in a Birmingham hospice waiting to die, his liver has only a 10% function. He was never one for introspection and had no guiding philosophy, I can only imagine that he is now lonely and frightened, 50 is too young to die.

So you don't go and see him?

50yo? Very very sad 

Do something!!!