Trump's Mass Deportation Plans Spark Controversy and Resistance Across the US

[John Drake]

4 hours ago, candide said:

As far as I understand, Trump will expell illegal immigrants quite quickly. Will there be a large number of reliable and efficient robots on the market, at a competitive price, ready to replace quickly the expelled workers?

 

There will still be H2A farmworker visas to bridge the gap.

[John Drake]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Sounds like you're either not American or you just don't know much about the country. I would like to see you try to get an American to work at McDonald's, in anything other than a managerial position.

 

Yes, that's true. But it shouldn't be. My point is that you should not need to be on the managerial track in order to get a livable wage. In the 1960s, someone working at a gas station could own a house (not a big one), own a car, have a family, and afford a decent life. 

[John Drake]

2 hours ago, theblether said:

I met a few deportees when I was in Mexico for a few months. They weren't fazed as they knew the game, go over, make a few dollars and return. I was also intrigued to hear that they didn't want to live in the USA full time. The immigration trap meant that once they were in country they had to stay as re-entry was difficult. 

 

Until the late 80s and 1990s, this was the way of things. I grew up in Texas and it was not unusual for migrant (true migrant) workers to cross in late August/September than go back late November/December and do things over again in the spring. They sometimes brought their older children with them and they were enrolled in classes at my public school, where they came for a few months, left, came back and left. They had their own schedule. This was the normative system for decades in Texas.

[wwest5829]

Watching, “Band of Brothers”, Part 9 ending with the discovery of the Nazi concentration/death camps. Yes, as a retired Prof. of History, I am well aware of US government knowledge of these developments and the turning away of other immigrants (Jews) fleeing Hitler’s Germany. And of the local Germans saying that they were not aware … The world has since condemned the German nation for allowing this (the larger question for all nations is what responsibility do the citizens have for all actions, not just the most egregious, of their country’s government). While I do not anticipate American concentration camps again (WW II we concentrated Americans of Japanese ancestry) … we all have a responsibility to watch Trump’s/Project 2025 mass roundup of immigrants … no matter how long they have been in the USA. Trump has stated “millions” of “criminal immigrants”. And NO, if they are awaiting hearings on their claim of asylum, they are not criminal immigrants.

[John Drake]

17 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

Yes, as a retired Prof. of History,

 

At which university?

[connda]

18 hours ago, Social Media said:

Less than 24 hours after his second inauguration, Donald Trump is poised to launch a nationwide deportation operation, a move that underscores his renewed commitment to aggressive immigration enforcement. Spearheaded by Tom Homan, Trump’s newly appointed “border czar,” the effort will begin with multi-day raids in major cities, including Chicago, New York, and Miami, according to sources.  

It's past time.

[Hanaguma]

4 minutes ago, connda said:

It's past time.

True. And not too many of the mythical "farm labour" illegals will be found in urban centres.

 

As for workforce participation, economist Nick Eberhardt did some great work in the field. He found that 7 MILLION otherwise able bodied men have dropped out of the workforce.  

[theblether]

2 hours ago, wwest5829 said:

Watching, “Band of Brothers”, Part 9 ending with the discovery of the Nazi concentration/death camps. Yes, as a retired Prof. of History, I am well aware of US government knowledge of these developments and the turning away of other immigrants (Jews) fleeing Hitler’s Germany. And of the local Germans saying that they were not aware … The world has since condemned the German nation for allowing this (the larger question for all nations is what responsibility do the citizens have for all actions, not just the most egregious, of their country’s government). While I do not anticipate American concentration camps again (WW II we concentrated Americans of Japanese ancestry) … we all have a responsibility to watch Trump’s/Project 2025 mass roundup of immigrants … no matter how long they have been in the USA. Trump has stated “millions” of “criminal immigrants”. And NO, if they are awaiting hearings on their claim of asylum, they are not criminal immigrants.

 

That's a hilarious post. 

 

You begin by stating you are a retired Prof of History then go straight to Godwin's Law? Dear me. 

 

I can see you're not keen on paragraphs but let me help you comprehend what Trump said.

 

He will target illegal immigrants who have committed crimes in the USA. Also known as criminal illegal immigrants. 

 

Comprende? 

[KhunLA]

I Lovin' It All ....

 

Every anti President Trump thread.  

 

Priceless Entertainment ... keep it coming.

Straight out of the Wizard of OZ

 

I'm Melting 

[Rob Browder]

21 hours ago, Social Media said:

... As the nation braces for the start of mass deportation raids...

Homan the "hardliner" has already walked this back to the same old "Bad Hombres Out" policy of Obama.  Trump was even MORE liberal  (i.e. "weak") than Obama on the border - opened the child-detention facilities by exec-order, etc.  Trump just "talks tough" on illegal-immigration.

 

So, if they are NOT an illegal-alien who is helping depress-wages and take jobs from Americans (Trump hired them, too) - and therefore getting into trouble with the law to get money - then they might have problems. 

 

Trump and the MSM-Right media will make as much noise about those deportations as possible, to DISTRACT from the fact that the vast majority of Americans whose lives have been destroyed by immigrant-replacement and falling-wages, are as a direct result of the so-called "good" immigrants, who will not be targeted.   MSM-Left will act like these involve mass-deporting "good" immigrants, and show lots of crying people.  See "Tag-Team" - avoiding the primary issue Americans want resolved = their Careers back at Middle-Class pay.

 

Trump also backed Musk's play to INCREASE legal immigration, even as the numbers show Americans being fired by the tens of thousands by the same companies hiring foreigners via those visas - and that the "jobs recovery" post-covid was almost entirely net foreign hires.  Neither "flavor" of MSM will talk about that very much.

[Rob Browder]

47 minutes ago, theblether said:

He will target illegal immigrants who have committed crimes in the USA. Also known as criminal illegal immigrants. 

Exactly - which is the problem.  So, under Trump (as with previous POTUSes) Americans will keep getting poorer due to a labor-market so flooded, that wages don't keep up with inflation.  Sure, there are "job openings" - but few pay enough to live beyond "hand to mouth."  Then, they say "Americans don't want THOSE jobs," when the problem is the pay, not the occupation/work. 

 

Employers will say, "But I can't pay more, because my competition is hiring foreigners who will live 10-to-a-room" - which is why the laws prohibiting employing illegals must be enforced, and the work-visas stopped, to stop this cycle of poverty.

[freedomnow]

By designating cartels as terrorist ogranisations now, he may asist Mexico militarily to break them in exchange for Mexico stopping immigrants at its south border I'm guessing after the sweep up inside USA.

[Neeranam]

His will he know where they  come from if they have no papers? 

Will he care or just dump them in Mexico. 

I remember the Thais dumped a heap of Burmese out at sea. 

Still Thais have kept their cultural identity. 

Last year I thought I was in Bangladesh in East London and Gdansk in Aberdeen. 

[Cryingdick]

3 hours ago, Neeranam said:

His will he know where they  come from if they have no papers? 

Will he care or just dump them in Mexico. 

I remember the Thais dumped a heap of Burmese out at sea. 

Still Thais have kept their cultural identity. 

Last year I thought I was in Bangladesh in East London and Gdansk in Aberdeen. 

 

Find a third country like Mexico or The Congo and put them there. It isn't mandatory to deport people to their country of origin. 

[WDSmart]

I am a US citizen and don't agree with this action. Of course, I don't agree with just about everything Trump has proposed and will do. 

I think the US is in for a very castatrophic four years...   

[spidermike007]

12 hours ago, John Drake said:

 

Yes, that's true. But it shouldn't be. My point is that you should not need to be on the managerial track in order to get a livable wage. In the 1960s, someone working at a gas station could own a house (not a big one), own a car, have a family, and afford a decent life. 

Correct. But things have changed dramatically in the US. And there is no making America great again. Great slogan. Fake premise. Not gonna happen. It will continue it's slide into less relevance. 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 1/21/2025 at 8:35 PM, John Drake said:

 

Automation can easily replace individual workers doing harvesting. Already, USAID has helped farmers in Central America with automation. It can be done in the US as well. For the present, however, it is cheaper to hire illegals and have the local taxpayers support them with educational and health services. Arrest, fine, and RICO those hiring illegals. Make them operate honestly. You'll see a turn towards more automation. What workers are needed can easily be supplied through H2A visa program.

If Saudi and NZ can find workers from overseas to work legally, is it beyond the ability of the US to do so? Perhaps it's more about getting rich by exploiting illegals.

[phetphet]

On 1/21/2025 at 6:18 PM, mogandave said:

So they go loudly 

But as happened yesterday, it might not always be the illegals that get hurt or killed.

[mogandave]

11 hours ago, phetphet said:

But as happened yesterday, it might not always be the illegals that get hurt or killed.

So?

[mrwebb8825]

On 1/20/2025 at 2:01 PM, Social Media said:

US Representative Delia Ramirez, a Democrat representing a Chicago district with a significant immigrant population, took a more confrontational stance. “Tom Homan, the next time you come to #IL03—a district made stronger and more powerful by immigrants—you better be ready to meet the resistance,” she wrote on social media.

Guess who could be the first arrest made in Chicago. With role models like Chuck and Maxine you knew there would be a few.

[phetphet]

12 hours ago, mogandave said:

So?

So I guess it depends on the price (number of lives, collateral damage etc.) the US government is willing to pay to achieve their goals.

In a country where almost anyone can obtain a gun, legally or otherwise, the number of lives lost over this is likely to be much higher than if something similar was carried out in say EU or UK.

[Chomper Higgot]

While  Trump clearly doesn’t have much time for The Constitution, maybe he should have at least read it:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3605g34jx5o.amp

[mogandave]

1 hour ago, phetphet said:

So I guess it depends on the price (number of lives, collateral damage etc.) the US government is willing to pay to achieve their goals.

In a country where almost anyone can obtain a gun, legally or otherwise, the number of lives lost over this is likely to be much higher than if something similar was carried out in say EU or UK.

So? Law enforcement does not come without cost. 

[mogandave]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

While  Trump clearly doesn’t have much time for The Constitution, maybe he should have at least read it:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3605g34jx5o.amp

Why?

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Why?

If he had read The Constitution he might have spotted this bit conspicuous in the 14th Amendment:

 

 

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt14-S1-1-2/ALDE_00000812/

 

[mogandave]

22 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If he had read The Constitution he might have spotted this bit conspicuous in the 14th Amendment:

 

 

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt14-S1-1-2/ALDE_00000812/

 

What’s that?

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, mogandave said:

What’s that?

I provided a link with explanatory notes, that together with the news article I linked provides a clear explanation of the point I made.

 

It might not satisfy your newly adopted rendition of a three year old’s fascination with circular questions, but I faith you’ll grow out of it.

[mogandave]

20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I provided a link with explanatory notes, that together with the news article I linked provides a clear explanation of the point I made.

 

It might not satisfy your newly adopted rendition of a three year old’s fascination with circular questions, but I faith you’ll grow out of it.

So you don’t know that either, I assumed you would not. 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

So you don’t know that either, I assumed you would not. 

You assumed wrongly, the links I have provided demonstrate why.

 

Now let’s see if I’m right about that other thing.

[mogandave]

20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You assumed wrongly, the links I have provided demonstrate why.

You posted links that don’t work, that go to a site that does not support your false claim. 

 

You don’t even know what it says. 

20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Now let’s see if I’m right about that other thing.

You mean about Medicare covering your reassignment surgery?