Why China will prevail over the US in this crazy world of Trump 2.0

[BangkokReady]

1 hour ago, hotsun said:

OP loves his posts so much he keeps them all in a database on his computer. 50% of his posts are not original content

This is actually 100% true.  I've seen a couple of posts multiple times in different threads.

 

He generally has some pretty sensible posts, but this practice is a little odd.

[BangkokReady]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

outsmarted in every negotiation with Kim

 

Wasn't he far more successful negotiating with Kim than any other president?

 

If this one claim is provably false, it really casts doubt on the rest of your post.

 

It's a shame, because you're normally fairly insightful.  It seems, sadly, that no one is immune to the Trump-hating madness.

[Centigrade32]

39 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

You seem to hate America

 

Or perhaps he uses a modicum of intelligence, which is more than most Trump fans utilise. 

Trump fans appear to see only in black and white. Everyone is a Liberal to them. Reality is an anathema to them. They see only in opposites.

 

The reality? They are ALL criminals, it just depends on which side of the fence you are on as to how you see it.

We have criminals as allies, we do business with criminals. To imagine that not every major country is indulging in subterfuge is to be naive in the extreme. State sponsored drug running, production, distribution and money laundering is par for the course. Both Republicans and Democrats are involved in all sorts of shenanigans.

 

Think about the cartels and what happens to the money they make. Where does the money go? Do you imagine that it's under someone's bed in bundles of US$? 

That's part of the problem with US politics. The simplistic hate the other side thinking, when really they have more in common than you might imagine. 

Follow the money and you realise the cartels aren't always what they seem and the drug and people smugglers are not always who you might imagine.

Drugs for guns....think about that. Our friends aren't always our friends, but sometimes partners in crime.

Trump will do some good things and some not so good things. But American politics is usually played out as good vs evil. That's 'dumb'. 

 

It's a messy world and you would need to open your mind to understand what goes on. We aren't always the good guys and we aren't always the bad guys. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Centigrade32]

11 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Wasn't he far more successful negotiating with Kim than any other president?

 

If this one claim is provably false, it really casts doubt on the rest of your post.

 

It's a shame, because you're normally fairly insightful.  It seems, sadly, that no one is immune to the Trump-hating madness.

 

What did he negotiate/achieve? Remind me.

[Centigrade32]

33 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Biggest economy in the world. Where do you come from? 

 

Biggest economy..... but how is the quality of life? People concentrate only on imagined figures and forget about quality of life. Which is why many of you have ended up in Thailand praising the local women and hating on your own.

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

36 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Biggest economy in the world. Where do you come from? 

 

I come from Thailand.

 

Biggest economy in the world going down, down, down. Just wait and watch.

[BangkokReady]

5 minutes ago, Centigrade32 said:

What did he negotiate/achieve? Remind me.

 

Pretty thorough rundown of it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_North_Korea–United_States_Singapore_Summit

 

Fairly ground-breaking, as you can see.  

[cjinchiangrai]

Xi has a well thought out long term plan. Trump has nothing but bluster.

[Centigrade32]

Just now, BangkokReady said:

 

Pretty thorough rundown of it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_North_Korea–United_States_Singapore_Summit

 

Fairly ground-breaking, as you can see.  

 

Please just summarise in your own words.

[BangkokReady]

9 minutes ago, Centigrade32 said:

Please just summarise in your own words.

 

I couldn't do it justice, it was such a significant process.  You can just skim through the page quite easily and see what Trump achieved (assuming you're not just trolling and actually want to know the truth 🤔).

[Centigrade32]

Just now, BangkokReady said:

 

I couldn't do it justice, it was such a significant process.  You can just skim through the page quite easily and see what Trump achieved (assuming you're not just trolling and actually want to know the truth 🤔).

 

I don't want to skim through the page. I want to have a discussion. But it seems that you really don't know anything. So let's leave it there.

 

I'm off to do something useful with my time or at least to have an intelligent conversation with someone. It's not going to happen here. It rarely does.

 

[phetphet]

Trump is right to crack down on immigration and government fraud and waste, but his empirical desires for Greenland, Canada and Gaza,  and his tariffs against both friends and enemies will bring only grief.  

The EU is now looking to Canada for LNG as they no longer trust the US., Canadians are on a "Don't buy American" spree, China is restricting the sale of Rare Earth minerals to the US, and also adding it's own counter tariffs, and we haven't even got to all the other countries adding theirs yet.

 

Going back to gold instead of the USD has already been pushed by BRICS. Could it get more headwind in the near future because of Trump's actions?

 

A trade war is no good for anyone. Even industry bosses that voted for D.T. are saying this.

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

2 minutes ago, phetphet said:

Could it get more headwind in the near future because of Trump's actions?

 

I think there are basically only two options:

Countries who are openly against Trump.

Countries which pretend that they want to work with Trump, but we can be sure they will put a knife in his back when there is a possibility.

 

And then there is that little country in the middle east who is sponsored and supported by almost all American politicians. They obviously love America. And by supporting them no matter what America makes lots of enemies in that region. 

[Dcheech]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

China will not only win this trade war, they will kick the US in the butt.

 

I have to disagree.
 

Trump will win the trade war with China. Right wing MAGA heads will morph into a howling frenzy, even more so than they are now, if possible. They will be go fricking nuts. Woohoo! One detail. In the restructured trade agreement, the US will acknowledge Taiwan is part of China and agree to cut military sales and support of.  Likely something similar to a Ukraine peace treaty. 
 

At a later date the Chinese can just go back on it all, damage done no matter how it plays out. This could come quickly as both Xi & Putin realize they cannot wait. Strike when the iron is hot, when you have someone as credulous, vain & ignorant as Donald Trump, you cannot waste it. No two terms now, this is it. Who knows he might choke on a big Mac while watching Hannity/FOX, blam bucket kicked. This rare moment must be seized and exploited.  

 

 

[Photoguy21]

It may be a draw but China will not win overall

[BangkokReady]

4 minutes ago, Centigrade32 said:

I don't want to skim through the page. I want to have a discussion.

 

You don't want to have a discussion, you want to shut down discussion.

 

You asked what he achieved, and when shown, of course, your response was "I don't want to see what he achieved".

 

If your technique of choice for beginning a discussion is to ask a question, then when given the answer, you refuse to look at it, a discussion is unlikely to take place. But then, you already know that.

 

I'm sorry your attempt at derailing/silencing me was unsuccessful. I hope you have more luck elsewhere.

[Ralf001]

USA will always be #1.

[cjinchiangrai]

1 minute ago, Ralf001 said:

USA will always be #1.

Why would you think the fourth reich will outlive the third?

[Ralf001]

6 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Why would you think the fourth reich will outlive the third?

 

Iam pro KKK and nazi.. nowt wrong with fourth reich but USA will always be top of the pile.

 

[SLOWHAND225]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Kind of a typical response of a Trump supporter, it's the old Bush Jr. Doctrine, you're either with us or you're against us, everything's black and white and there is no gray area, no nuance, no room for discussion, no debate.

 

We are the best, we are number one, we always have been, and we always will be. 

 

 

 

 

 

Thats exactly how it is. No matter what side of the room you're on, there is no conversation to be had.
Look at you, you made a dumb statement, knowing just how dumb it was because you just want to throw <deleted>e against the wall and see what sticks. You're not interested in an intelligent conversation at all.

[connda]

Why China will prevail over the US in this crazy world of Trump 2.0

 

Because they actually have a functioning manufacturing base and the infrastructure to support it - as opposed to - a lot of hot air about exceptionalism.

[connda]

8 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

Iam pro KKK and nazi.. nowt wrong with fourth reich but USA will always be top of the pile.

 

Kanye?  Is that you?  🤔

[connda]

26 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

It may be a draw but China will not win overall

Sure they will.

[jayjay2001]

Making America Great Again!

 

 

[candide]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

China will not only win this trade war, they will kick the US in the butt. Just another example of simpletons under estimating them, and diminishing not only the US economy, but it's remaining influence. And in the process dramatically overestimating the importance and the influence of the US on the rest of the world.

 

There is no question America is not the country that it once was, and that the entire planet is infinitely less dependent on them than they used to be.

 

Which is a good thing for the planet, but a terrible thing for the very simplistic president of the US. 

 

He has never won a trade war with Xi, and he was outsmarted in every negotiation with Kim, Putin and MBS. Trump is an absolutely terrible negotiator. 

 

https://youtu.be/HO7mt7d9Zp8?si=-LgZ__a835aIKdel

 

It's not so simple.

China is in a weaker position than during Trump's first mandate. China will win on the long run and Trump will be forgotten. On short term, it's not likely.

 

The true issue is how many economic entities will Trump target at the same time? The U.S. cannot sustain an economic war with Mexico, Canada, the EU and China at the same time, as they represent more than 60% of its exports. If the U.S. deals with them one after the others, it has more leverage.

 

There is also the risk of consumers boycotting U.S. products. With Social networks, it can spread very fast.

[SLOWHAND225]

30 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

I think there are basically only two options:

Countries who are openly against Trump.

Countries which pretend that they want to work with Trump, but we can be sure they will put a knife in his back when there is a possibility.

 

And then there is that little country in the middle east who is sponsored and supported by almost all American politicians. They obviously love America. And by supporting them no matter what America makes lots of enemies in that region. 

 

Nobody in that region is our friend and they never have been so no loss there.
Take away all the foreign aid and you'll really see it.

[b17]

3 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Says a liberal Trump hater. If Trump was so bad last time why did he win last year? Because he was not bad last time.

He won due to gerrymandering, a dumbed down education system,  voter suppression and false promises. Not bad? He inherited a strong economy and managed to almost destroy it within his first term. Once again he inherited a strong economy via Biden, and he'll destroy it again, on purpose.  His billionaire buddies love buying companies for pennies on the dollar, and will completely destroy the last vestiges of freedom and democracy if they can get away with it. BTW, I am NOT a Trump hater, but I don't support convicted felons for leadership roles in office, regardless of which country they inflict themselves upon. 

[b17]

31 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

USA will always be #1.

That's what the Romans used to say about themselves. Didn't quite work out, did it?

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Wasn't he far more successful negotiating with Kim than any other president?

 

If this one claim is provably false, it really casts doubt on the rest of your post.

 

It's a shame, because you're normally fairly insightful.  It seems, sadly, that no one is immune to the Trump-hating madness.

No. It was another failed negotiation and Trump got very little in return for his concessions. 

 

The biggest policy change the president unveiled was that the US will halt joint military exercises with South Korea, which has served as a crucial way for the US to put military pressure on North Korea. This announcement came as a surprise for a number of reasons.

 

First, it appears that Trump made the concession without getting anything remotely comparable from Kim in return. Second, he framed it as a financial issue, pointing out that cutting back on the drills will save a “tremendous amount of money.” In the process, he criticized US ally South Korea for not pulling its weight. “South Korea contributes [to the military exercises], but not 100 percent, which is a subject that we have to talk to them about,” the president said.

Analysts were shocked by the statement. “Apparently jet-fuel is so expensive, it’s worth casting aside a 60-year ally and friend,” Robert Kelly, a professor at South Korea’s Pusan National University, said.

 

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/6/12/17452616/trump-kim-jong-un-north-korea-summit

[OneMoreFarang]

16 minutes ago, SLOWHAND225 said:

 

Nobody in that region is our friend and they never have been so no loss there.
Take away all the foreign aid and you'll really see it.

Do you think anybody down there wants to be American's friend?

They want your money, that's about it.