Thailand Cracks Down: Police to Monitor Foreign Nationals Closely

[MalcolmB]

3 hours ago, Easterneye said:

who can blame them , especially all the drunken/ drugged up morons coming alongside from the UK.

Is wasnt us, it was the Israelis in Pai. 

[sambum]

"................disrupts social harmony, violates public morals, and potentially damages Thailand's reputation."

 

Perhaps they should also look at the transgenders/ladyboys that by their actions do exactly the same!

[sambum]

21 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

Again, you are completely wrong dear MB!

If you believe the crap you have just posted then you don't read the UK gutter press in that case!

 

The UK gutter press were not to blame a few years ago when Muslims (can I say that?) were blatantly holding religious prayers in Hyde Park, and when a lady approached one of the Police Officers "standing by" and asked him to tell them to stop doing it, as it was against the law, he first of all didn't believe her, and "shooed her away", but when she produced a copy of the local by-laws where it specifically stated that religious meetings/prayers were expressly forbidden ther and other Public Parks in London,  he said (after consulting with his superiors at "base", that he couldn't stop them as "IT MIGHT CAUSE TROUBLE"!!!   

[sambum]

10 hours ago, quake said:

 

The go home post.

So cool. 

 

There's always one!

[sambum]

9 hours ago, wensiensheng said:

As you say, It was packed with family groups because Safari World is a family type tourist offering. The mass sexpat market won’t go there nor will the alcoholics. They are all in the go go’s and bars. 

 

In the "Family Friendly" destination?

[quake]

3 hours ago, Easterneye said:

but then again who can blame them , especially all the drunken/ drugged up morons coming alongside from the UK.

 

How dare you, I don't take drugs anymore.

 

[geisha]

23 hours ago, MartinBangkok said:

Again, you are completely wrong dear Scottie. Most developed nations downplay, or downright hide crime commited by their immigrants. All part of the politically correct to-not-offend policies. In Thailand it is 100% opposite.

Rubbish. We’re talking about tourists , not immigrants !! I’d say a good percentage of the troublemakers here are foreigners. Russian thugs, bitcoiners, Chinese call centers and the usual obnoxious drunks and drugged fools that walk the streets. Many from western countries. 
I live in a busy tourist area of France, and I can promise you that the few tourists causing trouble are quickly dealt with. The problem is, Thailand seems to attracts the worse of the human race.   And of course, it’s mainly of their own making.  I agree with many here, deport the trouble makers / thieves/ scammers and dealers. 

[BritScot]

On 2/18/2025 at 11:49 AM, scottiejohn said:

It does not matter.

I believe that most national newspapers around the world report more crimes from foreigners in their country than they will of the indigenous population!

it is human nature after all!

Nonsense   utter Nonsense!

[connda]

Yada yada yada...blah blah blah - "We hate foreigner. Farang big trouble. We watch bad foreigner close close."  Blah blah blah...yada yada yada. 

Same same for the last 18 years...no different.

[connda]

On 2/18/2025 at 5:02 PM, snoop1130 said:

The move follows troubling incidents, notably in Pai, Mae Hong Son, where local businesses recently refused service to Israeli nationals. This decision arose after reports of inappropriate behaviour by some Israeli tourists, who allegedly verbally abused medical staff and threatened property damage at a local hospital.

I can't wait for Israel to call the Thai government "antisemitic."  That would be entertaining.

[lordgrinz]

20 minutes ago, connda said:

I can't wait for Israel to call the Thai government "antisemitic."  That would be entertaining.

 

If the shoe fits, but technically, Thai's are just "antifarang".

[BusyB]

6 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Is wasnt us, it was the Israelis in Pai. 

 

This time lol ...

[Jingthing]

Maybe the Thais need to build a big beautiful wall!

[BusyB]

3 hours ago, BritScot said:

Nonsense   utter Nonsense!

 

That's precisely the sort of content that boosts sales. 

[BusyB]

11 hours ago, ujayujay said:

By creating artificial outrage against foreigners, one can easily turn a blind eye to the crime committed by fellow countrymen in one's own country

 

Well waddaya know eh? Sound familiar? Seen it somewhere else as well?

[freedomnow]

Haha, aren't they always...with the sheer volume it will never be any other way.

 

Wonder which nation they will target next after China and India with free visas and Thailnd adverts...the multi-headed hydra that is the Thai Govt...always out of lockstep with itself.

 

Wonder how long it will be before the expat tax gets repealed.

Canny old white men are good at holding on  to their money..I should know

I'm always the first one to offer to buy the other person something in Thailand.

 

[madone]

9 hours ago, Hummin said:

I repeat if you did not understand my point: I have noticed places that was free for these drug tourists, are now their new playground for their drug party holidays. Kids and also elderly who seeks out these arenas, used to stay in jungle parties in Laos, now they seek out new territories in Thailand who now made it possible for the drug business to establish themselves new pristine places. 

 

I have travelled more than 20 years to these places and know what I'm talking about. 

 

Perhaps, but as someone who has lived here, in Thailand attending and even promoting parties in the late 90s until the mid-2000s and the war on drugs, I understand your point, I just disagree.   Things today are much more commercial and controlled. What we got away with then just doesn't happen now,

 

[madone]

10 hours ago, Hummin said:

I repeat if you did not understand my point: I have noticed places that was free for these drug tourists, are now their new playground for their drug party holidays. Kids and also elderly who seeks out these arenas, used to stay in jungle parties in Laos, now they seek out new territories in Thailand who now made it possible for the drug business to establish themselves new pristine places. 

 

I have travelled more than 20 years to these places and know what I'm talking about. 

 

Perhaps, but as someone who has lived here, in Thailand attending and even promoting parties in the late 90s until the mid-2000s and the war on drugs, I understand your point, I just disagree.   Things today are much more commercial and controlled. What we got away with then just doesn't happen now,

 

[madone]

10 hours ago, Hummin said:

I repeat if you did not understand my point: I have noticed places that was free for these drug tourists, are now their new playground for their drug party holidays. Kids and also elderly who seeks out these arenas, used to stay in jungle parties in Laos, now they seek out new territories in Thailand who now made it possible for the drug business to establish themselves new pristine places. 

 

I have travelled more than 20 years to these places and know what I'm talking about. 

 

Perhaps, but as someone who has lived here, in Thailand attending and even promoting parties in the late 90s until the mid-2000s and the war on drugs, I understand your point, I just disagree.   Things today are much more commercial and controlled. What we got away with then just doesn't happen now,

 

[freedomnow]

1 minute ago, madone said:

 

Perhaps, but as someone who has lived here, in Thailand attending and even promoting parties in the late 90s until the mid-2000s and the war on drugs, I understand your point, I just disagree.   Things today are much more commercial and controlled. What we got away with then just doesn't happen now,

 

You mean like the full moon parties ? If so... thank you..haha.

[madone]

19 minutes ago, freedomnow said:

You mean like the full moon parties ? If so... thank you..haha.

 

We used to throw parties after and around the full moon, like the backyard when we would head out to watch the morning carnage before heading up into the Hadrin hills to dance the day away. Guys and Eden came a bit later -- they are still going fridays and saturdays, Eden opens when guys closes

We also used to throw parties in selected resorts around Thailand, predominantly for a mixed crowd Thai professionals and expats, renting small isolated entire resorts for a weekend and bringing sound systems and crew to fill the rooms.

one party actually took place at Angkor Wat, a very clandestine and special event I have never heard repeated. That <deleted> just couldn't happen now. There was a very vibrant interconnected scene between Jakarta (stadium), Phnom Penh, Bangkok, and the islands

[freedomnow]

6 minutes ago, madone said:

 

We used to throw parties after and around the full moon, like the backyard when we would head out to watch the morning carnage before heading up into the Hadrin hills to dance the day away. Guys and Eden came a bit later. 

We also used to throw parties in selected resorts around Thailand, predominantly for a mixed crowd Thai professionals and expats, renting small isolated entire resorts for a weekend and bringing sound systems and crew to fill the rooms.

one party actually took place at Angkor Wat, a very clandestine and special event I have never heard repeated. That <deleted> just couldn't happen now. There was a very vibrant interconnected scene between Jakarta (stadium), Phnom Penh, Bangkok, and the islands

Yeah Thailand is Planet Buzzkill now in too many ways.

[fleccer]

That's true  we are not welcome here because some people come to LOS to do illegal and sometimes criminal activities. Then the tourists, many of them have neither respect nor education so because of these individuals we are all involved.

[Jonathan Swift]

On 2/18/2025 at 5:08 PM, ukrules said:

If they want pure social harmony then they have to give up the tourist money.

 

Lets face it, the government want (need) the money.

 

With mass tourism comes certain issues which you simply have to deal with - or ban them all from coming.

 

It's a trade off

Correct. If you bring in more people there will be proportionately more ɑsshoIes. It's built into the math. Hopefully they will move the midpoint needle and tip the scales enough to serve both sides of the issue. The locals are not making good money off the Israelis because Israelis are not the big tourist spenders that Thailand wants or needs. I think it's clear to everyone including the police and immigration that they are not worth the trouble. It sounds like  certain groups may end up with a target on their backs the moment they arrive, which I'm fine with, no doubt others would be fine with it. This is total speculation on my part, I don't in any way actually claim to know what I'm talking about. Basically, it sounds like the Israelis may be specifically targeted for "enhanced surveillance". Then immigration may be pre-primed to expedite deportation if necessary. That's the way I would do it. Memos to all immigration checkpoints: flag all Israeli passports the moment they set foot here. Enhanced security, enhanced surveillance from entry to departure. It could be done entirely within the database and system with minimal extra cost or effort. It would be sad if hotels and hostels started to refuse Israelis accommodation when their passports were presented because they were flagged. If motorbikes were not rented without valid drivers licenses. If police memos were sent to motorbike rentals telling them that valid motorbike licenses must be produced. Real sad. 

[Jonathan Swift]

This was posted on another thread, as the word from a Thai person on this issue. Some grammatical corrections have been made in [brackets]

From a local:

I think that now there has been a misunderstanding of the issue.

The real main issue is…

Behavior of Israeli tourists

1. Not respecting the laws of the country, rules, customs and culture of both the Pai people and Thai laws. Whether it is due to true ignorance or pretending to be ignorant, this is unknown.

2. Not respecting the rights of others, including Pai people, Thai people, and other foreigners.

3. Lack of manners when living with people in the Pai community.

4. Live a comfortable life, do whatever you want, without caring about the impact on those around you.

5. Not respecting the place and owner of the area where you live.

6. Causing many problems in the area, such as being drunk, destroying other people's property, fighting, stealing, trespassing, road accidents, etc.

If you have to explain it in a visual way.. for example

- Driving motorcycles (rented) at high speed, in groups of many, running red lights, driving on the left, suddenly cutting right, not using turn signals, wanting to stop in the middle of the road, stopping in the middle of intersections, stopping to block traffic, sometimes crashing into other people, sometimes involving one another, adding more cases for the police to deal with, adding more work for doctors and nurses, instead of having to take care of other patients or patients with doctor's appointments.

- Damaged a (rented) motorcycle and refused to pay for the damages, giving a thousand and one reasons. Will admit it only when evidence is found, such as images from before the rental car was rented and CCTV footage from the scene of the accident.

- Dressing inappropriately, not respecting local culture, walking on the street without a shirt, women only wearing bikinis or fitness clothes, walking around the city. Even if you warn them, they don't care, claiming that the weather is too hot to bear, and they should go somewhere else that is not hot, where it is more comfortable than being in Pai, right?

- Smoking, smoking marijuana everywhere, in restaurants, temples, hospitals, on public roads with lots of people, or even while riding a motorcycle, ignoring no smoking signs, not caring if there are children, the elderly, or the sick around.

- Use the accommodation [renting a hotel] service, make up stories about the room being unclean, inconvenient, having animals, having insects, etc. In the end, [they] asked for a refund, asked for a discount, and even asked to change the room, but it had to be free, otherwise [they] [threatened to write] a bad review.

- Made the property dirty and damaged but refused to pay for it, claiming that it was already broken, the quality was poor, it was old, it broke on its own, "I didn't do it, I won't pay".

- Using a restaurant in a group, such as 5-6 people, but ordering only one dish and eating alone, causes the restaurant to lose the opportunity to generate income because 4-5 chairs are lost for free. Plus, after eating, the restaurant sits [the customers linger] for a long time, and the restaurant loses the opportunity to receive new customers. Think about it simply: if 5 people come and order 5 dishes, the restaurant should at least be able to sell 300 baht in about 30 minutes. But if 5 people come and order 1 dish, the restaurant can sell 60 baht, plus waste an hour of time [that could have been spent] receiving new customers. Think about it. How much difference is there between 60 baht and 600 baht?

- Bringing food and drinks from outside the shop into the shop to eat without asking permission from the owner. Sometimes, there is only one friend sitting in the shop, so they bring food from outside and gather 5-6 people to eat in the shop. That's not all, they also leave trash for the shop to clean up.

- Another story about a restaurant. Someone is smart. They are almost finished eating and have 1-2 more bites left. They say it's not delicious, not clean, or there are foreign objects in the food. They come up with a trick to ask for a refund, not to pay, or even just ask for a discount. This trick is really funny.

- Another common occurrence in restaurants is when people eat for free and then leave without paying for their food. After they finish eating, they (secretly) get up and leave the restaurant, leaving a cloud of dust.

- Pubs, bars, any place that has snooker tables, pool tables, ping pong tables, people will rush in and reserve to play without any hesitation, without ordering anything. Sometimes it's the same, ordering only one drink, sometimes just one bottle of water, 10 people in a row, something like that. Other people can't play. If they want to play, they have to wait in a long line.

- Trespassing into places where they have no right, such as going into a hotel with a swimming pool, a fitness center, a large area, a lawn, using the pool, using exercise equipment, smoking cigarettes, smoking marijuana, bringing alcoholic beverages from outside to drink, having wild parties, making loud noises, without any consideration for anyone, even though they have no right to use the services, and they are not customers. They even do not spare the gardens in the area of the homes of local residents.

- Drinking, eating, partying, getting really drunk, and then peeing and defecating on the side of the road, on the streets, and even in front of people's houses, to the point of destroying property and things along the way.

- If you are very drunk, you will cause fights with people of all races, even within your own group.

- Stealing, whether out of excitement or out of money, from small items to valuables, even a bag of candy or a can of Coke.

- In the park, if you get together in a group, you will smoke marijuana, drink alcohol, talk loudly, without any consideration for the people around you, the place, and leave trash all over the place for people to see.

- Oh myyyyyy... etc. I can't explain it all.

… The various behaviors that I mentioned are true events that I have actually tried to stop. Some events I stopped, some I arrested and prosecuted.

Let's continue with the story..Number of Israelis in Pai

According to the news, there are more than 30,000+ Israelis coming to Pai… The answer is yes.

But it is the amount of people who come to check in, register according to the immigration rules, come as tourists, come and go.

There are actually about 2,000-3,000 people.

And of this number, they are the old ones, who have been here for a long time. Before the problem arose, there were about 600-800 people. They have only recently increased in number for about 1-2 years. These old ones have hardly ever caused any problems. They are peaceful and well-behaved. Most of them are on retirement visas or in their later years. As for the new arrivals, they are those whose husbands and wives are Thais. They have moved to settle down in Pai, to work and do business. Most of them are legal, according to Thai law. There are some who like them and some who don't, mixed together.

Most of the troublemakers are the ones who come in the style of tourists, who come and go. Most of them are teenagers who have just finished military service. They have money from the Israeli government and they go straight to Thailand, following the reviews of their seniors who have been there before. They travel around Thailand and the last stop before returning (before they run out of money, and are broke) is Pai. Pai has good air and a low cost of living. It is very, very cheap. It is convenient for living when your wallet is very empty. As teenagers, they are reckless. No matter what you tell them, they don’t listen, don’t care, don’t accept, don’t know. It’s like playing a fiddle to a buffalo. The only answer they get is “Why, Why, Why”.

This is the real problem..

Now let's talk about the issue that is currently getting lost in the world..

Jewish Synagogue (Chabad) and the Occupation of the Promised Land

Chabad is a place of religious worship for Jews, that's all. It's not wrong to compare it to Thai temples abroad. When we Thais travel or live abroad, on important Buddhist religious days, we go to that temple to perform religious duties. The same goes for Israelis.

The misunderstanding is that when they pay respect to their prophet, they will pray and sing. And this singing is what causes the misunderstanding that they are having a party. If there are many people, the singing will be loud. If there are few people, the singing will be soft. The end.

As for the construction of the basement, the prayer leaders said that it would be a bathtub-like room for some kind of religious ceremony. Like in Buddhism, there would be a holy water bath to wash away bad luck. In Christianity, there would be a baptism ceremony or something like that. I don't know. It probably wouldn't be a place to hide or store weapons or anything.

As for the Promised Land thing...

Stop worrying about it. They can’t even create any happiness in their own country. Where are they going to find the wisdom to do something in Pai? In Thailand, our Thai officials are always collecting information and studying their news. We have methods to control, set limits, set rules, and have a plan to support them.

Or if they really think about doing it, who would allow it?

Don't worry..

Now, just ask the people of Pai to help keep an eye out for government officials more. If anything happens, please report it immediately so that legal action can be taken quickly and they can be sent back to their country. Don't keep them!!!

Don't just hope for (personal) benefits or the little money they offer you.

Don't just expect to get a 10x or 100x fine and then break up..

You must be ready to be the complainant or the complainant to pave the way for the police to proceed with the case.

[you have to be willing to press charges]

Give me your sword.. I'll cut it down without mercy. [?] [Google translate?}

And finally... I would like to leave a message for all the senior executives of the country.

Please review the #pre-visa measures ..

If visa-free is to be implemented, the hope is to increase the number of tourists entering the country.

We will get 5-baht and 10-baht tourists with low quality like this [visa free entry will likely lead to cheap Charlie low quality tourists who are likely to behave badly, and who are not benefitting Thailand or anyone else]..

And these 5 baht, 10 baht... aren't just for Israelis.. [The cheap Charlies are not just Israelis, it is others as well]

Please help me, everyone.

Do you understand this correctly?