Zelinsky: The End Is Near

[frank83628]

30 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Inform which countries at war permit enemy propaganda outlets on their territory.

 

Please cease the endless MAGA BS. It is trump now starting media censorship i.e. close down media access to those who disagree with him e.g. at Whitehouse briefings. .

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce30n52e6p1o

 

 

There you go with the legacy media BS liea straight away.

Access hasn't been closed down, its been opened up to different media, those that don't normally get a look in. the press room can only take so many people at once, so why give preference to a legacy outlet that constantly lies, misquotes everything that's actually been said, you link being a prime example. 

[simple1]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

There you go with the legacy media BS liea straight away.

Access hasn't been closed down, its been opened up to different media, those that don't normally get a look in. the press room can only take so many people at once, so why give preference to a legacy outlet that constantly lies, misquotes everything that's actually been said, you link being a prime example. 

 

Thoroughly indoctrinated

[SiSePuede419]

Zelenskyy heads to US for Trump meeting with minerals deal expected to be signed

 

It's like a Mob Protection Racket without the protection. 😄

 

A protection racket is essentially "pay us, or bad things happen"—a mix of extortion, coercion, and intimidation disguised as a "service".

 

A mob protection racket is a scheme in which a criminal organization offers "protection" to businesses or individuals, typically in exchange for regular payments.

 

However, this protection is often from threats that the mob itself creates. 

 

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha. 😭

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

 

Thoroughly indoctrinated

I watched the white house briefing live, I heard exactly what was said, how about you? Based on your comment, I guess you were just reading a legacy media 3rd hand opinion piece for info. Oh well.

 

P.s, how has DOGE effcted your SS payments so far?... oh, that's rigit, it doesn't,  because you're Australian 

[SiSePuede419]

I kinda like King Donnie's foreign policy is being run by "feeling"...

 

At the end of the day, the analysts can pick over the contents of his daily Depends and figure out why he felt that way today.

 

Hell of a way to run a country. 🤭

[jas007]

Wow! I may have been wrong.  Today, in the Oval Office, in front of the whole world, Zelensky just ended his presidency, ended Ukraine, and may have signed his own death warrant.  No deal was agreed to.  Instead, we witnessed a shouting match.  Even the Ukrainian Ambassador to the United States couldn't believe what she was witnessing.  

 

So, unless this was some sort of grandiose political stunt, Zelensky is history. 

 

What comes next?  WWIII?  One thing for sure:  the US is out, I think.  Can Europe pony up the money to fully fund its commitment to NATO?  Can Europe arrange for a repayment to the United States of the money previously plundered?  

 

Perhaps the next deal Trump makes is with Russia. Stay tuned. 

[sharot724]

A tough dispute between Zelensky, Trump and Vance.

 

[bannork]

2 hours ago, jas007 said:

Wow! I may have been wrong.  Today, in the Oval Office, in front of the whole world, Zelensky just ended his presidency, ended Ukraine, and may have signed his own death warrant.  No deal was agreed to.  Instead, we witnessed a shouting match.  Even the Ukrainian Ambassador to the United States couldn't believe what she was witnessing.  

 

So, unless this was some sort of grandiose political stunt, Zelensky is history. 

 

What comes next?  WWIII?  One thing for sure:  the US is out, I think.  Can Europe pony up the money to fully fund its commitment to NATO?  Can Europe arrange for a repayment to the United States of the money previously plundered?  

 

Perhaps the next deal Trump makes is with Russia. Stay tuned. 

A lot of people couldn't believe the way Trump and Vance behaved. Zelensky calmly explained the number of times Putin broke agreements and Vance goes ballistic behaving like the goon he is.

A shame to see the American government behaving like football hooligans.

[MangoKorat]

On 2/26/2025 at 12:44 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Simples. Some on here believe the BS, and others can see through it. Of course the BS will be one way or another depending on if one believes that Ukraine was supported to preserve democracy or to make some very rich.

A litte too much potential conspiracy theory in that one.  People here making some of the comments would probably do well to learn about the more recent history of Ukraine.  The Ukranian people made their feelings known in the Maidan Protests of 2013/2014 - known these days as simply Maidan - after the 2024 film of the same name.

 

Yanukovych had previously agreed to seek membership of the European Union and seemed to be genuinley steering the country in that direction. However he suddenly changed tack and announced that he would be seeking closer ties to Russia and membership of the Eurasian Economic Union.  Yanukovych was quite clearly a member of the Putin fan club and it is rumoured that he was in the Russian leader's pocket - Putin certainly had a large amount of influence and control on which way Ukraine leaned and didn't want to lose that. Putin is quite happy not to be an 'expansionist' providing he can ultimately control the bordering countries - as he does with Belarus through Lukashenko but he looked to be losing it. The Ukranian people clearly viewed themselves as European and wanted to develop relationships/ties to its Western neighbours. 

 

'Yanukovych renaged on the EU agreement - that sparked the riots in Kyiv.

 

'But it was the deaths of at least 88 people, many of them protesters shot dead by uniformed snipers in 48 hours of bloodshed, that ultimately brought him down.

The killings sent shockwaves around the world.

Under EU pressure he signed a deal to transfer powers to parliament and hold early elections. But within hours he had fled the capital and his administration had crumbled.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25182830

 

Then there was the annexation of The Crimea in 2014, followed by the Minsk agreement and forward to the situation today.  I don't believe for one moment that Putin started the present conflict because he didn't want NATO on his borders - he has that already and if he took Ukraine he would have a much larger one. He just doesn't want to lose control of Ukraine via his puppets. Putin is also a 'Stalinist' and admires what Stalin achieved in terms of borders and population control.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 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The protests were sparked by President Viktor Yanukovych's sudden decision not to sign the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement, instead choosing closer ties to Russia and the Eurasian Economic Union.

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, frank83628 said:

What a difference a day makes, LOL.

[thaibeachlovers]

35 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

A litte too much potential conspiracy theory in that one.  People here making some of the comments would probably do well to learn about the more recent history of Ukraine.  The Ukranian people made their feelings known in the Maidan Protests of 2013/2014 - known these days as simply Maidan - after the 2024 film of the same name.

 

Yanukovych had previously agreed to seek membership of the European Union and seemed to be genuinley steering the country in that direction. However he suddenly changed tack and announced that he would be seeking closer ties to Russia and membership of the Eurasian Economic Union.  Yanukovych was quite clearly a member of the Putin fan club and it is rumoured that he was in the Russian leader's pocket - Putin certainly had a large amount of influence and control on which way Ukraine leaned and didn't want to lose that. Putin is quite happy not to be an 'expansionist' providing he can ultimately control the bordering countries - as he does with Belarus through Lukashenko but he looked to be losing it. The Ukranian people clearly viewed themselves as European and wanted to develop relationships/ties to its Western neighbours. 

 

'Yanukovych renaged on the EU agreement - that sparked the riots in Kyiv.

 

'But it was the deaths of at least 88 people, many of them protesters shot dead by uniformed snipers in 48 hours of bloodshed, that ultimately brought him down.

The killings sent shockwaves around the world.

Under EU pressure he signed a deal to transfer powers to parliament and hold early elections. But within hours he had fled the capital and his administration had crumbled.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25182830

 

Then there was the annexation of The Crimea in 2014, followed by the Minsk agreement and forward to the situation today.  I don't believe for one moment that Putin started the present conflict because he didn't want NATO on his borders - he has that already and if he took Ukraine he would have a much larger one. He just doesn't want to lose control of Ukraine via his puppets. Putin is also a 'Stalinist' and admires what Stalin achieved in terms of borders and population control.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 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The protests were sparked by President Viktor Yanukovych's sudden decision not to sign the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement, instead choosing closer ties to Russia and the Eurasian Economic Union.

You need to take your finger off the enter key when writing posts.

[thaibeachlovers]

55 minutes ago, bannork said:

Zelensky calmly

 

 

If Zelensky was "calm" I'm the dictator of the world.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, jas007 said:

Wow! I may have been wrong.  Today, in the Oval Office, in front of the whole world, Zelensky just ended his presidency, ended Ukraine, and may have signed his own death warrant.  No deal was agreed to.  Instead, we witnessed a shouting match.  Even the Ukrainian Ambassador to the United States couldn't believe what she was witnessing.  

 

So, unless this was some sort of grandiose political stunt, Zelensky is history. 

 

What comes next?  WWIII?  One thing for sure:  the US is out, I think.  Can Europe pony up the money to fully fund its commitment to NATO?  Can Europe arrange for a repayment to the United States of the money previously plundered?  

 

Perhaps the next deal Trump makes is with Russia. Stay tuned. 

Good summary of the debacle. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the fiasco, no one shouts at the POTUS on his own turf in public and gets a good deal after. I can't see Trump backing down and making up with the ( shortly to be ex ) president of Ukraine. Kiss kiss love love, NOT.

 

IMO the only hope Ukraine has now is a new president.

 

The pathetic "leaders" of the EU twittering on about how they are going to support the Ukraine- they can't even fund their own military.

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

What a difference a day makes, LOL.

Yes, extremely stupid of the trump administration to announce that. Did they really think they would get minerals without giving anything in return?

[jas007]

2 hours ago, bannork said:

A lot of people couldn't believe the way Trump and Vance behaved. Zelensky calmly explained the number of times Putin broke agreements and Vance goes ballistic behaving like the goon he is.

A shame to see the American government behaving like football hooligans.

Trump and Vance behaved like Trump and Vance. Trump quite succinctly told Zelenskyy he had no cards to play.  He was there to make a deal, and Zelensky was overlaying his hand, thinking the US was his Trump card, so to speak.  Trump reminded him calmly that that simply wasn't the case.  JD Vance also explained, but Zelensky persisted, and what followed was epic.  An extended shouting match for all the world to see.  A fool overlying his hand.  Calling the Vice President a "bitch" under his voice was all everyone needed to hear.  

 

Trump was there to make a deal, not relive history.  And Zelenskyy had no hand to play without an agreement with the USA, which was not forthcoming. And wo we witnessed a crazed fool on an extended rant.  Trump knew, and the world now knows, Zelenskyy is out.  A dead man walking, no matter what he does.  Kicked out of the White House, he now has two options:  Come back when he's ready to make a deal, or leave, go home, and meet his demise there.  

 

Trump is ready to make a deal, and he makes deals only with someone at the table, ready to deal. Who's left at the table? The USA and Russia.  There's your deal going forward I'm afraid.  Bad for Ukraine, which will cease to exist, but good for world peace.  

 

And I'd be very very worried right now, if I lived in London or Paris, capital cities of both of the Europe's nuclear powers.  London and Berlin are on the chopping block, sooner rather than later, perhaps.