7 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

Is it impossible for you to simply admit that you were wrong?

 

I don't know what you mean by nobody 'gave an arse about it' - I and millions of others are very concerned about the situation in Ukraine - especially now that Trump is supporting the aggressor - a man (not quite) who clearly is a dictator, despite his sham democracy.  Maybe you could explain?

But Putin isn't a dictator, Russians are free to do what they like. Just because the media you watch tells you he is, and you repeat it, doesn't make it true. Putinbhas overwhelming support in Russia.

Nobody even knew zelenskeys term was over nearly 1 year ago until trumps calls him a dictator a few days ago 

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

Should be the chairman of parliment.

Funny how nobody gave an arse about it until Trump called him a dictator.... then everyone scurry scurry like rats. 

Nobody gave a rat because it's just one more Trump's BS! 

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

Yeah right,  prople have  running round countering what was said to cover for zman, their little actor hero,  the media suddenly all saying how popular he was, his approval ratings.... theyre all reading from the same CIA USAID funded script word for word and you lot lapping it all up with out a single question.... 🐑

Says someone who laps Russian propaganda...

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

But Putin isn't a dictator, Russians are free to do what they like. Just because the media you watch tells you he is, and you repeat it, doesn't make it true. Putinbhas overwhelming support in Russia.

More Russian propaganda....

7 minutes ago, candide said:

Says someone who laps Russian propaganda...

 

Many other media there that isn't Russian, Jeffery Sachs, heard of him? Arron matte, Matt tiebi, the late John pilger. Many out there understanding the other side of this Ukraine conflict, only you guys that bury your heads in the sand... look how many times you have been proved wrong here, 3 years of saying Russia was losing, economys doomed, threads with180 pages full of MSM links, and look where it is now, Russia has exactly wanted in  the first place. You were lied to nonstop and lost. All you had was corrupt Biden administration and MIC laundering money through Ukraine with no arttempt to stop the conflict, while creating 100,000s of dead at the same time

14 hours ago, frank83628 said:

 

Many other media there that isn't Russian, Jeffery Sachs, heard of him? Arron matte, Matt tiebi, the late John pilger. Many out there understanding the other side of this Ukraine conflict, only you guys that bury your heads in the sand... look how many times you have been proved wrong here, 3 years of saying Russia was losing, economys doomed, threads with180 pages full of MSM links, and look where it is now, Russia has exactly wanted in  the first place. You were lied to nonstop and lost. All you had was corrupt Biden administration and MIC laundering money through Ukraine with no arttempt to stop the conflict, while creating 100,000s of dead at the same time

The only point I agree with you is that Trump will likely give Putin all he wants. That's what I and others have been posting for years.

51 minutes ago, candide said:

The only point I agree with you is that Trump will likely give Putin all he wants. That's what I and others have been posting for years.

 

But I thought Putin wanted all of Europe. 

 

Or does he just want the areas he already has.  The ones he declared even before he moved militarily.  The ones he's been holding since years ago.  The ones that have already voted to break from Ukraine.  If he already holds them, and they've voted to stay, how is Trump giving him anything?

 

Here's the map from CNN in mid 2023.

 

 

It's past time for the dying to stop and the rebuilding to start.

 

18 hours ago, MangoKorat said:

Oh jeez........................and Covid was spread by the 5G network right?

Ironical that you use the biggest con to support your viewpoint. How they used a respiratory infection IMO like flu to destroy the world's economies ( and make some very very rich ).

Do you also support man made climate change ?

18 hours ago, MangoKorat said:

On 2/23/2025 at 4:05 PM, frank83628 said:

B, Zelenskys term is over therfore he is no lover the elected leader and has shut down opposing media

 

 

18 hours ago, MangoKorat said:

By the way, I cannot comment on whether he is a 'lover' or not.

 

18 hours ago, MangoKorat said:

Thus, Marshall law was enacted

 

This "Marshall" law?

 

19 hours ago, MangoKorat said:

That one sentence tells me, and many other rational people, all we need to know. There's no medicinal cure for your illness that I know of and I think its too much for a psychologist. You should isolate though because its clearly highly contagious.

Seriously?  I'm 1000% comfortable with what I know, how I know it, and what I see.  And I have no problem with people telling me that I have an "illness."  All that tells me, really, is that you have been well and truly  brainwashed.  You persist in clinging to the Big Lie. The lie that has now been exposed.  That''s all you have, really.  A reality drilled into your brain.  And it gives you great comfort in persisting in believing that lie.  Most brainwashed people are like that.  They are incapable of independent thought and cling to the lie as a matter of survival.  Social cohesion is a powerful force, which is why propaganda is so powerful.  I guess I've sat all this before. Anyway, either you see it or you don't. 

17 hours ago, frank83628 said:

 

Many other media there that isn't Russian, Jeffery Sachs, heard of him? Arron matte, Matt tiebi, the late John pilger. Many out there understanding the other side of this Ukraine conflict, only you guys that bury your heads in the sand... look how many times you have been proved wrong here, 3 years of saying Russia was losing, economys doomed, threads with180 pages full of MSM links, and look where it is now, Russia has exactly wanted in  the first place. You were lied to nonstop and lost. All you had was corrupt Biden administration and MIC laundering money through Ukraine with no arttempt to stop the conflict, while creating 100,000s of dead at the same time

Everything will come out , there are new gatekeepers in Government!

37 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Seriously?  I'm 1000% comfortable with what I know, how I know it, and what I see.  And I have no problem with people telling me that I have an "illness."  All that tells me, really, is that you have been well and truly  brainwashed.  You persist in clinging to the Big Lie. The lie that has now been exposed.  That''s all you have, really.  A reality drilled into your brain.  And it gives you great comfort in persisting in believing that lie.  Most brainwashed people are like that.  They are incapable of independent thought and cling to the lie as a matter of survival.  Social cohesion is a powerful force, which is why propaganda is so powerful.  I guess I've sat all this before. Anyway, either you see it or you don't. 

What you described , brainwashed ,is borderline derangement!

 

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/derangement

 

2 hours ago, impulse said:

 

But I thought Putin wanted all of Europe. 

 

Or does he just want the areas he already has.  The ones he declared even before he moved militarily.  The ones he's been holding since years ago.  The ones that have already voted to break from Ukraine.  If he already holds them, and they've voted to stay, how is Trump giving him anything?

 

Here's the map from CNN in mid 2023.

 

 

It's past time for the dying to stop and the rebuilding to start.

 

It's not only that which Putin initially wanted.

 

And it's not only that which Trump will give him (I don't mean only territories). 

1 hour ago, riclag said:

What you described , brainwashed ,is borderline derangement!

 

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/derangement

 

I can't click on that link, so I'm not sure what your point is.

 

Anyway, I see what I see.  It's not "derangement."

 

If you were around in the 80s, perhaps you remember the pictures they used to have that looked like a bunch of nothing at first, but if you looked at them in a certain way, a distinct picture emerged from the background.  A sailboat, for example, or a house.  When you see that, it's nothing you're imagining.  It's really there. Some people can see it, others never will.   

 

The current world situation is the much the same.  Some people finally see the lie for what it is. They see it emerge from the background noise. Others never will see it.  So they call those who can see, "deranged."  That helps them preserve their vision of reality.  That's all they know. 

28 minutes ago, jas007 said:

I can't click on that link, so I'm not sure what your point is.

 

Anyway, I see what I see.  It's not "derangement."

 

If you were around in the 80s, perhaps you remember the pictures they used to have that looked like a bunch of nothing at first, but if you looked at them in a certain way, a distinct picture emerged from the background.  A sailboat, for example, or a house.  When you see that, it's nothing you're imagining.  It's really there. Some people can see it, others never will.   

 

The current world situation is the much the same.  Some people finally see the lie for what it is. They see it emerge from the background noise. Others never will see it.  So they call those who can see, "deranged."  That helps them preserve their vision of reality.  That's all they know. 

Sorry ! I tried and failed too. I was able to copy & paste the link without difficulty!

“the state of being completely unable to think clearly or behave in a controlled way”…

4 hours ago, riclag said:

Sorry ! I tried and failed too. I was able to copy & paste the link without difficulty!

“the state of being completely unable to think clearly or behave in a controlled way”…

If using a mobile press&hold on the link, there is an open opinion.

Please use leaders real names or your post will be removed.

15 hours ago, jas007 said:

If you were around in the 80s, perhaps you remember the pictures they used to have that looked like a bunch of nothing at first, but if you looked at them in a certain way, a distinct picture emerged from the background.  A sailboat, for example, or a house.

I still have some that I kept. Fascinating how the brain works. It'll all in how you focus on them to see the 3D image.

It's a good equivalence to humans though. Some will never see through the BS to the reality, even though it's right in front of them.

On 2/25/2025 at 2:43 AM, MangoKorat said:

Is it impossible for you to simply admit that you were wrong?

 

I don't know what you mean by nobody 'gave an arse about it' - I and millions of others are very concerned about the situation in Ukraine - especially now that Trump is supporting the aggressor - a man (not quite) who clearly is a dictator, despite his sham democracy.  Maybe you could explain?

Simples. Some on here believe the BS, and others can see through it. Of course the BS will be one way or another depending on if one believes that Ukraine was supported to preserve democracy or to make some very rich.

On 2/25/2025 at 2:59 AM, frank83628 said:

 

Many other media there that isn't Russian, Jeffery Sachs, heard of him? Arron matte, Matt tiebi, the late John pilger. Many out there understanding the other side of this Ukraine conflict, only you guys that bury your heads in the sand... look how many times you have been proved wrong here, 3 years of saying Russia was losing, economys doomed, threads with180 pages full of MSM links, and look where it is now, Russia has exactly wanted in  the first place. You were lied to nonstop and lost. All you had was corrupt Biden administration and MIC laundering money through Ukraine with no arttempt to stop the conflict, while creating 100,000s of dead at the same time

One wonders if any of the Biden clan have shares in a company that will be involved in "rebuilding" Ukraine? Only worth anything if the place is blown up to need rebuilding. All going to plan so far IMO.

22 hours ago, candide said:

The only point I agree with you is that Trump will likely give Putin all he wants. That's what I and others have been posting for years.

Putin at least all of Ukraine, probably Poland, and likely all of Europe. 

 

Is that what you think Trump will give him? Or are you just regurgitating the same lie all the other “kill ‘em all” leftists here regurgitate constantly? 

 

 

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

One wonders if any of the Biden clan have shares in a company that will be involved in "rebuilding" Ukraine? Only worth anything if the place is blown up to need rebuilding. All going to plan so far IMO.

Blackrock and co isn't it?

Why to go, guys here pushing the war on helping to screw the county totally.... time to pill those heads out of the sand.

My question would be how accurate this prediction is. Seems dead on. 

 

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2025/02/all-over-but-the-shouting.php

 

From the analysis:

 

"1) The war has been a disaster for both Russia and Ukraine. Both countries badly want it to end. Vladimir Putin needs it to end in a way that doesn’t wind up with him being hung from a lamppost.

2) If the United States had had a functioning president three years ago, the war would not have begun. If we had had a functioning president for the last two years, it would have been brought to an end before now.

3) Russia and Ukraine need President Trump to manage an end to the conflict. Trump will do that successfully, but he won’t be awarded a Nobel Peace Prize.

4) There will be a ceasefire, very soon. That will be followed rapidly by a peace treaty.

5) The terms on which the war will end are clear: Russia will keep a slice of eastern Ukraine pretty much equal to what it now occupies. In return, Russia will promise not to invade again.

6) There will be a peacekeeping force consisting of European troops. They will not be on the front line–God forbid!–but will nevertheless deter future Russian attacks, which Russia has no intention of launching.

7) Ukraine will give the U.S. mineral concessions of a value sufficient to repay some of the cost that our taxpayers have incurred in supporting that country. The details will be negotiated, but the final amounts will be substantial." 

Link above.

I think its about time some of you started watching RT and see what Putin and Lavrov have to say on the matter, you were fed BS for 3 years, so maybe now you shoold hear what the other side says and compare it with your favourite fake news outlets

9 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

My question would be how accurate this prediction is. Seems dead on. 

 

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2025/02/all-over-but-the-shouting.php

 

From the analysis:

 

"1) The war has been a disaster for both Russia and Ukraine. Both countries badly want it to end. Vladimir Putin needs it to end in a way that doesn’t wind up with him being hung from a lamppost.

2) If the United States had had a functioning president three years ago, the war would not have begun. If we had had a functioning president for the last two years, it would have been brought to an end before now.

3) Russia and Ukraine need President Trump to manage an end to the conflict. Trump will do that successfully, but he won’t be awarded a Nobel Peace Prize.

4) There will be a ceasefire, very soon. That will be followed rapidly by a peace treaty.

5) The terms on which the war will end are clear: Russia will keep a slice of eastern Ukraine pretty much equal to what it now occupies. In return, Russia will promise not to invade again.

6) There will be a peacekeeping force consisting of European troops. They will not be on the front line–God forbid!–but will nevertheless deter future Russian attacks, which Russia has no intention of launching.

7) Ukraine will give the U.S. mineral concessions of a value sufficient to repay some of the cost that our taxpayers have incurred in supporting that country. The details will be negotiated, but the final amounts will be substantial." 

Link above.

I think US mining operations in Ukraine will be a pretty good deterrent to Russia as well.

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

Putin at least all of Ukraine, probably Poland, and likely all of Europe. 

 

Is that what you think Trump will give him? Or are you just regurgitating the same lie all the other “kill ‘em all” leftists here regurgitate constantly? 

 

 

You really need to forget Putin wanting to take over Europe, its total nonsense and to be honest, makes you look stupid

Dead and wounded aside, I believe Ukraine has lost about a quarter of its population, which will likely never go back. 

 

 

8 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

I think its about time some of you started watching RT and see what Putin and Lavrov have to say on the matter, you were fed BS for 3 years, so maybe now you shoold hear what the other side says and compare it with your favourite fake news outlets

Dude I respect you but Putin can yammer all he wants, hes like Adam Schiff, he takes a germ of truth and spins lies. Hes a thug. So is Zelinsky

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

You really need to forget Putin wanting to take over Europe, its total nonsense and to be honest, makes you look stupid

People complain endlessly that Trump wants to give Putin everything he wants, which is just a lie. 

 

Clearly Putin wanted all of Ukraine and is not getting it, so Trump is not “giving him all he wants”. 

 

If Trump truly was Putin’s puppet, Putin would certainly be wanting a lot more.