They is no way Zelensky should apologize to Trump, the cards were stacked against him ,as English is not his first language he normally has an interpreter ,I thought he did well just to understand what was going on , and  hold his corner then as has been said ,what was Vance doing ,in times past the VP was seen and not heard ,it was two against one ,Zelensky did well .

The icings on the cake which sums Trump up when he said, "This will look good on TV", more than one reporter on the BBC said the talks where stagged managed, the jury is out on that but knowing trump it could well have been.

Tomorow Zelensky meet Stamar for a European submit that should be more civilized.

Putin will have his feet up watching it all and smiling.

47 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

What do you pro-Ukraine war guys really want? Are we going to fight a proxy war for decades or is time for full scale war with Russia? Ukraine can't win on their own so it's time to escalate if you want to continue.

 

However this went down really doesn't matter but for me it's a good thing this is unraveling before it gets even worse than it already is.

 

Someone sees it clearly, exactly, with all the aid in the world Ukraine is still losing the war.

 

The only option the west had to win the war is to go all in, boots on the ground, but it is rightly terrified of unleashing a nuclear war with Russia, so it's not doing that.

 

So if the West can't escalate, it has only one option. Knock some sense into the made little dictator Zelensky and get his people to tire of him and replace him. 

 

Ukraine is doomed with Zelensky.

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Ill-informed nonsense.

 

Zelensky has frequently given thanks to America for the military aid Ukraine has received, he started the ‘news conference’ by thanking America and the American people.

Apart from a complete lack of knowledge in those matters you also don’t seem to know what ‘jumped the shark’ means.

 

But please do continue to embarrass yourself.

 

 

That's the great thing about fools. They don't know when they just screwed themselves.

 

I'm not pro Russia or pro Ukraine but Zelensky just lost the war. He just doesn't know it yet. Like when the Dems chose DEI Harris. 

 

His little temper tantrum in front of the cameras will have massive implications. Just like Pelosi's tantrums with Biden that resulted in DEI Harris.

 

You guys lost again so bad and you don't even know it yet.

 

It's beautiful to watch. The fact it took so long just makes it even sweeter.

 

 

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

It's about time someone stood up to Zelenlsky.

 

Billions of dollars given to them by US taxpayers and he still acts entitled. He should be extremely grateful but he still asks for more. Like a spoilt child complaing he got a 5 series BMW when he wants the 7. 

 

Insulting the people who have protected his country thus far.

 

He jumped the shark. 

 

At least he's a multi millionaire now. He will be fine. 

Trump's m.o. 

Show strength to the weak, and show weakness to the strong (Putin)....

29 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But please do continue to embarrass yourself.

I agree.

Please do so as it is so entertaining reading the put downs that you create in response to them!

10 hours ago, tomazbodner said:

I think you missed the name there. Surely you meant Trump?

 

When adults play the game "I know you are but what am I?" On the internet. 

2 minutes ago, candide said:

Trump's m.o. 

Show strength to the weak, and show weakness to the strong (Putin)....

 

He certainly stomped on DEI Harris campaign. 

 

Interesting that you recognize Putin as a strong leader though. 

3 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

I agree.

Please do so as it is so entertaining reading the put downs that you create in response to them!

 

Don't create too many accounts Chomps it's getting a bit cringe. 😀

20 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

So if the West can't escalate, it has only one option. Knock some sense into the made little dictator Zelensky and get his people to tire of him and replace him. 

 

Ukraine is doomed with Zelensky.

 

He's at serious risk for assignation now when this is over. He wrecked the country and got thousands of people killed. Western governments and media are to blame too for fueling this.

 

What's amazing is that it was a mere 6 months after America abruptly pulled out of Afghanistan and people still went for another needless war overseas. Flags on their social media and front lawn, the whole 9 yards.

38 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

That's the great thing about fools. They don't know when they just screwed themselves.

 

I'm not pro Russia or pro Ukraine but Zelensky just lost the war. He just doesn't know it yet. Like when the Dems chose DEI Harris. 

 

His little temper tantrum in front of the cameras will have massive implications. Just like Pelosi's tantrums with Biden that resulted in DEI Harris.

 

You guys lost again so bad and you don't even know it yet.

 

It's beautiful to watch. The fact it took so long just makes it even sweeter.

 

 

Trump demonstrated his absolute support for Putin and undermined the Western alliance that has maintained peace in Europe since the end of WW2.

 

And you think it’s about ‘You guys lost again’.

 

 

31 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Don't create too many accounts Chomps it's getting a bit cringe. 😀

You’re imagination is getting the better of you.

12 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

12 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Trump’s supporters, both foreign and domestic, rush to defend the indefensible.

 

As expected.

Do you have to be a Trump supporter to take a view? 

 

It depends on your viewpoint.  If you agree with how Zelensky acted, then you're a normal, rational person making an observation.  If you think that Trump was the one who acted correctly, then you're a MAGA, Trump supporting, fascist whose opinion doesn't matter because you're not actually taking a reasoned viewpoint.

 

It's kind of a "heads I win, tails you lose" with these leftist nutjobs.

The problem is that Zelensky acts like he has some bargaining power, when really he owes everything to the other countries who are supporting him.

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

That's the great thing about fools. They don't know when they just screwed themselves.

 

I'm not pro Russia or pro Ukraine but Zelensky just lost the war. He just doesn't know it yet. Like when the Dems chose DEI Harris. 

 

His little temper tantrum in front of the cameras will have massive implications. Just like Pelosi's tantrums with Biden that resulted in DEI Harris.

 

You guys lost again so bad and you don't even know it yet.

 

It's beautiful to watch. The fact it took so long just makes it even sweeter.

 

 

 

I think the temper tantrums were from Trump and Vance. Stupid, dishonest and disrespectful. Certainly didn't look calm and in control. Were we watching the same meeting or are you just Trolling....again?

 

But let's not stop there, let's stand down Cyber Command too. Exclusive: Hegseth orders Cyber Command to stand down on Russia planning | The Record from Recorded Future News

 

https://therecord.media/hegseth-orders-cyber-command-stand-down-russia-planning

7 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

It depends on your viewpoint.  If you agree with how Zelensky acted, then you're a normal, rational person making an observation.  If you think that Trump was the one who acted correctly, then you're a MAGA, Trump supporting, fascist whose opinion doesn't matter because you're not actually taking a reasoned viewpoint.

 

It's kind of a "heads I win, tails you lose" with these leftist nutjobs.

 

Or it could be that you are writing the same lunacy that we see from certain quarters here every day.

It's a shame that you are unable to see the possibility of them all being wrong by losing their tempers. You have to make it a Left or Right wing thing. Now THAT is NUTS. But I sure you feel quite normal.

10 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

The problem is that Zelensky acts like he has some bargaining power, when really he owes everything to the other countries who are supporting him.

 

No, that a 'problem' that you just created in your mind. 

The fact is that Trump is extorting him. Obviously that's okay with you. Such nice people we find here on this forum.

Obviously Trump losing it on the world stage is completely normal behaviour to you and Zelenskky not rolling over to let Trump tickle his belly is the height of insolence 🙂

Nice to see @BangkokReady's finger on the emoticons. They are all so predictable.

13 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Insulting Trump and Vance. He should apologise and buy a suit.

 

And yet  Trump is okay with this.

 

 

 

26 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

The problem is that Zelensky acts like he has some bargaining power, when really he owes everything to the other countries who are supporting him.

 

To a certain extent you have a point. However, please keep in mind the  human loss that Ukraine has sustained. Ukrainians have  eroded the Russian military strength and died and westerners have benefited from a weakened Russia. Russia's economy is seriously damaged, there has not been investment in its human capital or infrastructure  for almost a decade. The USA has gained from that.

Bullying Zelenskyy and trying to humiliate him in public, or anyone for that matter never ends well.

10 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

And yet  Trump is okay with this.

 

 

 

The kid is about 3 years old.

 

Im thinking Little Z could try a pantsuit like Hillary, Kim and Dr.Evil wore. People say it's a dictators outfit, but it does make a statement. Better than the vaycay day smoking bongs on the couch attire he insists on.

10 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

The kid is about 3 years old.

 

Im thinking Little Z could try a pantsuit like Hillary, Kim and Dr.Evil wore. People say it's a dictators outfit, but it does make a statement. Better than the vaycay day smoking bongs on the couch attire he insists on.

 

I don't think he was referring to the kid. Is Musk wearing a suit? Does he not know that it is impolite to wear a hat indoors?

These people are just uncouth savages. JD Vance looks and acts like a hillbilly. Money obviously doesn't buy class in their cases.

I'm sure Trump has gold plated toilet roll holders at Mar-a-Lago. Look at the state of JD Vance during the meeting. He just looked like a fat slob in a suit. 

 

1 minute ago, SMIAI said:

 

I don't think he was referring to the kid. Is Musk wearing a suit? Does he not know that it is impolite to wear a hat indoors?

These people are just uncouth savages. JD Vance looks and acts like a hillbilly. Money obviously doesn't buy class in their cases.

I'm sure Trump has gold plated toilet roll holders at Mar-a-Lago. Look at the state of JD Vance during the meeting. He just looked like a fat slob in a suit. 

 

He IS a fat slob in a suit.

Musk is retarded, who cares what he wears, Im just relieved he doesn't rock up naked.

I'm sure Trump DOES have gold crappers at MAL. Who cares?

I don't see what point you are trying to make?

Just now, SunnyinBangrak said:

He IS a fat slob in a suit.

Musk is retarded, who cares what he wears, Im just relieved he doesn't rock up naked.

I'm sure Trump DOES have gold crappers at MAL. Who cares?

I don't see what point you are trying to make?

 

My point is all this criticism about what Zelenskky wears and the trying to blame him for the rude behaviour of his hosts is beyond the pale.

 

8 minutes ago, SMIAI said:

 

My point is all this criticism about what Zelenskky wears and the trying to blame him for the rude behaviour of his hosts is beyond the pale.

 

But he is begging for billions of $$, isn't 3 yrs old and isn't an actor in an Austin Powers movie.

Slap on a suit lil guy, it will take 2 minutes, and might just save all life on earth.

7 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

The problem is that Zelensky acts like he has some bargaining power, when really he owes everything to the other countries who are supporting him.

No he does not.

 

Trump and his attack dog Vance put on a performance attacking the leader of a sovereign nation precisely because he Zelensky has no bargaining power.

 

Contrast that with Macron owning Trump.

 

On both occasions Trump was called out for his blatant lies, he took it from Macron, he attacked the guy who’s desperate for help.

 

Utterly disgusting and cowardly behavior.

 

Decades of hard won trust in America as a global partner pished away in seconds.

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No he does not.

 

Trump and his attack dog Vance put on a performance attacking the leader of a sovereign nation precisely because he Zelensky has no bargaining power.

 

Contrast that with Macron owning Trump.

 

On both occasions Trump was called out for his blatant lies, he took it from Macron, he attacked the guy who’s desperate for help.

 

Utterly disgusting and cowardly behavior.

 

Decades of hard won trust in America as a global partner pished away in seconds.

 

 

 

 

Exactly. Zelensky should not appetize, he owes nothing to anyone, and he should sever all ties with the Trump Administration and just get back to prosecuting the war to save Ukraine. 

 

 

Interesting that the EU hive mind on X have all posted the same:

 

Your dignity honors the bravery of the Ukrainian people.

Be strong, be brave, be fearless.
You are never alone, dear President @ZelenskyyUa.

We will continue working with you for a just and lasting peace.

 

— Ursula von der Leyen (@vonderleyen) 

— Roberta Metsola (@EP_President)

— António Costa (@eucopresident)

— Valdis Dombrovskis (@VDombrovskis)

— Manfred Weber (@ManfredWeber)

 

It's as if they all got their talking points and marching orders from the same source.  Like the MSM when they called Vance "weird".  And their current "constitutional crisis".  Not an original thought between them.

 

14 minutes ago, impulse said:

Interesting that the EU hive mind on X have all posted the same:

 

Your dignity honors the bravery of the Ukrainian people.

Be strong, be brave, be fearless.
You are never alone, dear President @ZelenskyyUa.

We will continue working with you for a just and lasting peace.

 

— Ursula von der Leyen (@vonderleyen) 

— Roberta Metsola (@EP_President)

— António Costa (@eucopresident)

— Valdis Dombrovskis (@VDombrovskis)

— Manfred Weber (@ManfredWeber)

 

It's as if they all got their talking points and marching orders from the same source.  Like the MSM when they called Vance "weird".  And their current "constitutional crisis".  Not an original thought between them.

 

regurgitators 

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No he does not.

 

Trump and his attack dog Vance put on a performance attacking the leader of a sovereign nation precisely because he Zelensky has no bargaining power.

 

Contrast that with Macron owning Trump.

 

On both occasions Trump was called out for his blatant lies, he took it from Macron, he attacked the guy who’s desperate for help.

 

Utterly disgusting and cowardly behavior.

 

Decades of hard won trust in America as a global partner pished away in seconds.

 

 

Help to do what?  Continue fighting an un-winnable war?  For what?  For how long?  How many is enough dead for you?  Another million?  2 million?  More?

 

Trump wants peace.  Zelenski wants the US/NATO to join in as they cannot win.  If they did then its WW3 and thankfully some common sense has returned to the White house so that is not going to happen.  

 

Soon a few boundaries will be redrawn on a map and the world will collectively shrug its shoulders as the adults (not Zelensky high on his Columbian marching powder) negotiate a peace deal to save more pointless loss of life and money.   

15 minutes ago, impulse said:

Interesting that the EU hive mind on X have all posted the same:

 

Your dignity honors the bravery of the Ukrainian people.

Be strong, be brave, be fearless.
You are never alone, dear President @ZelenskyyUa.

We will continue working with you for a just and lasting peace.

 

— Ursula von der Leyen (@vonderleyen) 

— Roberta Metsola (@EP_President)

— António Costa (@eucopresident)

— Valdis Dombrovskis (@VDombrovskis)

— Manfred Weber (@ManfredWeber)

 

It's as if they all got their talking points and marching orders from the same source.  Like the MSM when they called Vance "weird".  And their current "constitutional crisis".  Not an original thought between them.

 

 

Propaganda.   Just like the good old Covid days where "safe and effective" was the required combination of words in every single post.   I wonder who the puppeteer is who is pulling the strings of their puppets.   Whoever is making significant bank from this war continuing would be my guess.