Marco Rubio Demands Apology from Zelensky After Heated Oval Office Clash

[Flyguy330]

What I'd like the MAGA's here to explain is where and when they (as a movement) had their 'Road to Damascus' conversion from seeing Russia (and the USSR) as the greatest threat EVER to USA! USA! USA! - to becoming 'partners for peace', attacking all former allies, and letting bygones be bygones with the old enemy. Quite bizarre on the face of it.

 

They've been using the 'Russian threat' excuse for 80 years to terrorise the whole world with the insanity of the MAD doctrine (Mutually Assured Destruction) and also as an excuse for the numerous invasions and proxy wars the US MIC has launched against any country that dared to side with Russia or take aid from Russia (Korea? Vietnam? Afghanistan? Libya? Chile? Cuba? etc etc). And as an excuse to keep their military bases all over the globe, and demanding their allies spend billions to buy weapons from them - to defend against the VERY SAME regime which they suddenly have decided aren't so bad after all. Just misunderstood, all those wasted years.

 

They've had nuclear weapons pointed at each other for decades, and actual threats of imminent nuclear warfare have been threatened by both sides - most recently by Putin. 

Yet suddenly, just like flicking a light switch, these anti-Russian zealots have become little puppies, snuggling up to the old adversary/enemy that they have hated and cursed for all these years.

 

The rednecks must be rootinging through their wardrobes like crazy, binning all those 'Nuke The Rooskies' T Shirts and baseball caps. 

What next? Hanging the Russian flag on the house on May Day?

Such a change of hearts and minds - maybe a kind of admission of defeat finally?

 

[Nick Carter icp]

19 minutes ago, Flyguy330 said:

What I'd like the MAGA's here to explain is where and when they (as a movement) had their 'Road to Damascus' conversion from seeing Russia (and the USSR) as the greatest threat EVER to USA! USA! USA! - to becoming 'partners for peace', attacking all former allies, and letting bygones be bygones with the old enemy. Quite bizarre on the face of it.

 

They've been using the 'Russian threat' excuse for 80 years to terrorise the whole world with the insanity of the MAD doctrine (Mutually Assured Destruction) and also as an excuse for the numerous invasions and proxy wars the US MIC has launched against any country that dared to side with Russia or take aid from Russia (Korea? Vietnam? Afghanistan? Libya? Chile? Cuba? etc etc). And as an excuse to keep their military bases all over the globe, and demanding their allies spend billions to buy weapons from them - to defend against the VERY SAME regime which they suddenly have decided aren't so bad after all. Just misunderstood, all those wasted years.

 

They've had nuclear weapons pointed at each other for decades, and actual threats of imminent nuclear warfare have been threatened by both sides - most recently by Putin. 

Yet suddenly, just like flicking a light switch, these anti-Russian zealots have become little puppies, snuggling up to the old adversary/enemy that they have hated and cursed for all these years.

 

The rednecks must be rootinging through their wardrobes like crazy, binning all those 'Nuke The Rooskies' T Shirts and baseball caps. 

What next? Hanging the Russian flag on the house on May Day?

Such a change of hearts and minds - maybe a kind of admission of defeat finally?

 

 

   They opposed Communism rather than opposed Russia .

Russia isn't Communist anymore , so no need to oppose them anymore 

[Patong2021]

16 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No he does not.

 

Trump and his attack dog Vance put on a performance attacking the leader of a sovereign nation precisely because he Zelensky has no bargaining power.

 

Contrast that with Macron owning Trump.

 

On both occasions Trump was called out for his blatant lies, he took it from Macron, he attacked the guy who’s desperate for help.

 

Utterly disgusting and cowardly behavior.

 

Decades of hard won trust in America as a global partner pished away in seconds.

 

Macron gave a lesson in international diplomacy. A successful international leader will know his nation's place, its strengths and weaknesses and  leverage what there is to advocate for their national interest.  Sadly, Starmer fell flat. He was as pathetic as Trudeau. Netanyahu has perfected this skill. He is probably more pushy and aggressive than Zelenskyy, but he knows  to never directly challenge Trump or to expose a Trump falsehood when together with him in public. Other successful diplomats play to Trump's ego; Orban  is an expert. Putin is similar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[still kicking]

Donald Trump, J.D. Vance’s treatment of Zelensky brings shame on America | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site

‘It made me want to throw up’: Americans ‘sick’ over Donald Trump’s treatment of Volodymyr Zelensky

[josephbloggs]

On 3/1/2025 at 12:38 PM, Cameroni said:

Zelensky committed the greatest political mistake ever witnessed in the Oval Office. It was the equivalent of him entering the oval office and dousing himself in petrol and setting himself alight. They say never get high on your own supply but Zelensky must have read his own press and believed the hype. How else to explain this little man going to the oval office and lecturing the American leadership on what the future holds for them?

 

When I saw Trump admonish the Ukrainian that he was gambling with world war 3 it was a moment of clarity, how clear it is that we have the best man in the white house we could possibly have, someone who understands the dangers the -Ukraine and the UK are unleashing on the planet. Well done Donald Trump for slapping down the little dictator!

Wow, like Twitter AN now has parody accounts. Whoop.

[nauseus]

On 3/1/2025 at 9:56 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

Trump demonstrated his absolute support for Putin and undermined the Western alliance that has maintained peace in Europe since the end of WW2.

 

And you think it’s about ‘You guys lost again’.

 

 

 

How?

[nauseus]

17 hours ago, impulse said:

Interesting that the EU hive mind on X have all posted the same:

 

Your dignity honors the bravery of the Ukrainian people.

Be strong, be brave, be fearless.
You are never alone, dear President @ZelenskyyUa.

We will continue working with you for a just and lasting peace.

 

— Ursula von der Leyen (@vonderleyen) 

— Roberta Metsola (@EP_President)

— António Costa (@eucopresident)

— Valdis Dombrovskis (@VDombrovskis)

— Manfred Weber (@ManfredWeber)

 

It's as if they all got their talking points and marching orders from the same source.  Like the MSM when they called Vance "weird".  And their current "constitutional crisis".  Not an original thought between them.

 

 

They're hopeless, the same as during Covid, with member states all doing their own thing and arguing about vaccines. The EU couldn't lead a foxtrot, let alone a tango. If they ever get their "army" then that really will mean WW.......if it hasn't kicked off already .

[nauseus]

17 hours ago, James105 said:

 

Help to do what?  Continue fighting an un-winnable war?  For what?  For how long?  How many is enough dead for you?  Another million?  2 million?  More?

 

Trump wants peace.  Zelenski wants the US/NATO to join in as they cannot win.  If they did then its WW3 and thankfully some common sense has returned to the White house so that is not going to happen.  

 

Soon a few boundaries will be redrawn on a map and the world will collectively shrug its shoulders as the adults (not Zelensky high on his Columbian marching powder) negotiate a peace deal to save more pointless loss of life and money.   

 

A little bird told me it was Bolivian. But no matter.

[nauseus]

17 hours ago, James105 said:

 

Propaganda.   Just like the good old Covid days where "safe and effective" was the required combination of words in every single post.   I wonder who the puppeteer is who is pulling the strings of their puppets.   Whoever is making significant bank from this war continuing would be my guess.  

 

Sorry. Just saw this but I'll leave my post.

[nauseus]

14 hours ago, SMIAI said:

 

I particularly appreciated, during his rant in the cherished Oval Office, his sympathy for what poor Mr Putin went through during the Russian collusion investigations. 

He made it sound like Mr Putin went to bed each night full of tears and upset about it. People should really watch the video of the whole meeting. 

Is it true that Trump met with the KGB in '87? I don't know.

 

Damn! I thought you knew it all!

[nauseus]

13 hours ago, Rimmer said:

Norway fuel giant 'refuses to fill US submarines' after Trump-Zelensky clash

 

A petrol giant in Norway has announced a ban on fuel sales to all US forces following Donald Trump's treatment of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky at the White House, it has been reported.

 

Norwegian firm Haltbakk Bunkers announced it will stop providing fuel to all American forces in Norway as it declared "No fuel to Americans!". The firm posted on social media to declare its support for Zelensky as it dealt a hammer blow to US President Trump following the heated spat televised from the Oval Office.

 

See More:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/2021304/norway-fuel-giant-refuses-fill

 

Has to be BS. NATO/Norway won't let this happen - plenty of fuel and suppliers there - it just means that Haltbakk will lose business.

[nauseus]

13 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s precisely not what Trump

is doing.

 

He’s a mouth piece for Putin.

 

But I would be interested to hear how much of your own home country’s territory you would be willing to handover to appease Putin should he choose to invade?

 

 

 

Most of us, including you, have no real idea of what anyone is doing. Now we will probably have to wait even longer to find out.

[bendejo]

Sit and spin, Marcito.

 

[kwonitoy]

15 hours ago, SMIAI said:

 

I particularly appreciated, during his rant in the cherished Oval Office, his sympathy for what poor Mr Putin went through during the Russian collusion investigations. 

He made it sound like Mr Putin went to bed each night full of tears and upset about it. People should really watch the video of the whole meeting. 

Is it true that Trump met with the KGB in '87? I don't know.

Agent Krasnov

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

NATO/Norway won't let this happen - plenty of fuel and suppliers there -

 

Here. For the giggling goons.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/norway-says-it-will-keep-supplying-fuel-us-navy-after-company-calls-boycott-2025-03-02/

[Chomper Higgot]

5 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

Most of us, including you, have no real idea of what anyone is doing. Now we will probably have to wait even longer to find out.

You do know how to switch the TV on and navigate to the news?

[Walker88]

This whole idea of "thanks" is silly, since it was BIDEN who mobilized NATO to support Ukraine after Putin invaded. Plus, no one deserves thanks for doing the right thing as well as doing something that will benefit yourself.

 

Rubio sold his soul. He is stupid enough to think he could be the candidate for POTUS in 2028, so long as he doesn't offend MAGA and shows sycophantic and cowardly fealty. He has zero chance in 2028, as MAGA seems to have decided that the US is a monarchy and Junior will take over in 2028. Rubio should go back to Cuba, the dictatorship of his parents, as he has a much greater chance of a political future there. Rubio has shown the world he lacks integrity, character and guts. He's just a little toady.

 

As for Vance, he's already largely forgotten, which is why he keeps trying to command the stage, a platform for which he has zero presence, unless it's stand-up comedy. He might even serve as a stand-in POTUS the last two years, after his boss possibly suffers a stroke that leaves him a drooling blob in a wheelchair.

 

This is what really should have happened in that bizarre Oval Office meeting:

 

 

 

[Walker88]

8 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   They opposed Communism rather than opposed Russia .

Russia isn't Communist anymore , so no need to oppose them anymore 

Well, if terrorism and attacking a neighbor is now acceptable, then I guess POTUS and MAGA will come out in support of Hamas next.

 

Yea, the Israelis started that war, and Netanyahu is a dictator.

 

How's that work for you, as only the names have been changed to protect the guilty.

[Nick Carter icp]

25 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Well, if terrorism and attacking a neighbor is now acceptable, then I guess POTUS and MAGA will come out in support of Hamas next.

 

Yea, the Israelis started that war, and Netanyahu is a dictator.

 

How's that work for you, as only the names have been changed to protect the guilty.

 

fits in nicely with all the nonsense Pro Palestinians spout

    

[JimHuaHin]

Rubico, Putin's and Trump's lap dog.

[Hanaguma]

46 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

This whole idea of "thanks" is silly, since it was BIDEN who mobilized NATO to support Ukraine after Putin invaded. Plus, no one deserves thanks for doing the right thing as well as doing something that will benefit yourself.

 

Rubio sold his soul. He is stupid enough to think he could be the candidate for POTUS in 2028, so long as he doesn't offend MAGA and shows sycophantic and cowardly fealty. He has zero chance in 2028, as MAGA seems to have decided that the US is a monarchy and Junior will take over in 2028. Rubio should go back to Cuba, the dictatorship of his parents, as he has a much greater chance of a political future there. Rubio has shown the world he lacks integrity, character and guts. He's just a little toady.

 

As for Vance, he's already largely forgotten, which is why he keeps trying to command the stage, a platform for which he has zero presence, unless it's stand-up comedy. He might even serve as a stand-in POTUS the last two years, after his boss possibly suffers a stroke that leaves him a drooling blob in a wheelchair.

 

This is what really should have happened in that bizarre Oval Office meeting:

 

 

 

Nice masturbatory fantasy.

 

More likely would be Marine veteran JD Vance choking out little Vloddy, whose total military experience seems to be a bizarre form of cosplay.

[Walker88]

15 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

fits in nicely with all the nonsense Pro Palestinians spout

    

It is difficult for intelligent people to even begin to make sense of what passes for "logic" for MAGAs.

 

The US did not oppose communism itself, but rather the oppression, subjugation and self-appointed and self-serving leadership that is part and parcel of it.

 

Russia is still the USSR, albeit with a much smaller land mass and sphere of influence/oppression. Putin is trying to rebuild what once was. Freedom-loving people have been standing against that, just as NATO did during the Cold War. "America First" is a policy based in idiocy and willful ignorance.

 

The US has been aiding Ukraine against the horrors of Putin's invasion both because it is the right thing to do, and also because it directly serves America's interests. NATO has been the bedrock of security for 80 years, as well as what enabled the incredible economic prosperity enjoyed by the US and Europe after the end of WWII.

 

The current Administration lacks the brains to understand all of this, and its idiotic policies will threaten allied nations if Putin is allowed to continue his aggression into the Baltics, Poland and soon enough Romania and Bulgaria, and it will also put an end to the prosperity that has benefited so many.

 

Also, as Europe and the US split, one also must wonder how the US is going to fund its ever-growing deficits, as much has been funded by allied nations. This Administration has given both Putin and Xi a green light to do whatever they please in their now doled out sphere of influence. Russia will use that to go after more territory. China will know it is free to take Taiwan at its leisure, and it also is working to expand the BRICS, which will threaten US economic prosperity and the dollar. If our allies and China stop funding the deficit, that is another threat to US prosperity.

 

 

[Walker88]

16 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Nice masturbatory fantasy.

 

More likely would be Marine veteran JD Vance choking out little Vloddy, whose total military experience seems to be a bizarre form of cosplay.

Vance was a military journalist. That isn't exactly a frontline infantryman going into harm's way. Maybe you think he could play "John Wick" and "kill three men with a pencil"?

 

That can be your MAGA fantasy if you are in need of carnal material.

[Hanaguma]

7 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Vance was a military journalist. That isn't exactly a frontline infantryman going into harm's way. Maybe you think he could play "John Wick" and "kill three men with a pencil"?

 

That can be your MAGA fantasy if you are in need of carnal material.

No, but he DID go through recruit training (which includes hand to hand combat and weapons skills) before moving on to his particular specialty. More than could be said for the cosplay guy.  I'm not the one posting pathetic fantasy memes.

[Tug]

52 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Nice masturbatory fantasy.

 

More likely would be Marine veteran JD Vance choking out little Vloddy, whose total military experience seems to be a bizarre form of cosplay.

Zelenskyy is the ABLE COURAGEOUS leader of a nation invaded by a looting raping murdering hoard he would not allow himself to be humiliated by that twit Vance or the felon aka the betrayer in chief .it is beneath his and his nation’s dignity.

[spidermike007]

Zelensky should be demanding an apology from Vance and Trump for that ridiculous ambush that they staged for the cameras. 

 

It was a new low for America, and perhaps the least presidential diplomatic mission in the history of the nation. 

 

Though it may not have been smart on his part, it was sure nice to see a leader standing up to the nasty, arrogant fool. 

[Walker88]

All those in favor of nuclear proliferation scream "MAGA forever!"

 

The US spent 80 years trying to limit the spread of weapons of mass destruction, beginning when the "worst" a nuke could do was vaporize a medium size city. Thanks to Edward Teller, those early nukes are firecrackers. The technology exists today that a deliverable nuke could have a blast radius and radioactive kill zone with a diameter of 1000 miles. The Tsar Bomba, which was purposely toned down so that the aircraft dropping it could escape, had a relatively small blast radius compared to what is possible today, and even that sent a mushroom cloud 60 km high. Can you MAGAs say "nuclear winter"?

 

The nuclear club is on the verge of a major expansion, and why not. The non-nuke members of Europe have every incentive to develop and deploy their own nukes, and that includes even small nations like Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. Right now guaranteed Germany, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden, Denmark and Norway are thinking about building nukes.

 

Japan has every reason---as well as current capability---to build nukes. South Korea can see how quickly an ally can be betrayed in favor of a real dictator, so absolutely South Korea has very good reason to build its own nukes.

 

The more nukes their are in more hands, the greater the likelihood they get used. When one gets used, a second follows....then a third....then....kiss your backside goodbye, if not from the blast or radiation, then from nuclear winter.

 

This, among other terrible things, is what MAGA has brought us. The President accused Zelenskyy of trying to start WWIII. Some day aliens will visit the burned out planet we call Earth, and find it was the US President who brought about the extinction of the human species. AN asteroid took out the dinosaurs. Almost laughably, a Game Show Host is going to take out homo sapiens.

 

Frankly, if we kill ourselves and leave the world to cockroaches, I think that is acceptable to having even a single MAGA still wasting air. Kill'em all and let Zeus sort them out.

[bendejo]

There just might be some sort of coup soon.

 

[Nick Carter icp]

41 minutes ago, bendejo said:

There just might be some sort of coup soon.

 

  The Dems not accepting the election results and trying to overthrow an elected President ?

   Will the be marching  on Capitol hill ?

[nauseus]

Looks like the cuckoos nest is having an extended exercise period this morning.