3 hours ago, bannork said:

The Ukrainians want national sovereignty, freedom and the opportunity to join the EU. Not be under Russian subjugation. The same aspirations as all the other  Eastern European countries once suppressed under the Iron Curtain.

And Putin's scared the Russians will want the same freedoms.

The Ukraine is not a country and has never been one

10 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

The inference that the minerals deal makes the US and the Ukraine's fate intertwined is fairly clear.

 

The problem is there is an example where that theory isn't working; DRC. The Democratic Republic of the Congo is rich in Cobalt and other minerals. China dominates the mining licences in that country, but it hasn't brought about Pax Sinae. Arguably, as the mining licences have come up for renewal, the civil war has intensified.

 

Any Russian renewed invasion of Ukraine will be well signposted due to the forces needed. There won't be thousands of American miners in country. I expect any US managers to scarper. The idea that the taxpayer will be expected to foot the blll to protect commericial interests I expect to receive short shrift.

 

Its difficult to find a single example of an expropriated natural resource eliciting a military response by the licence holder.

 

 

On 3/5/2025 at 12:43 PM, Harrisfan said:

Lefties are just miserable

Lefties like moaning and whining, given by the posts on here. Do they imagine that if they moan enough Trump will go away?

2 hours ago, MicroB said:

The problem is there is an example where that theory isn't working; DRC. The Democratic Republic of the Congo is rich in Cobalt and other minerals.

Are you seriously equating that <deleted> country with any European country? If so, I'm boggled that anyone would do so.

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

The Ukraine is not a country and has never been one

Come on, man,  Ukraine is a sovereign country. 

19 hours ago, sandyf said:

Delusional, quacking like the duck.

Sorry to drop facts on ya. 

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Lefties like moaning and whining, given by the posts on here. Do they imagine that if they moan enough Trump will go away?

4 more years. They are in denial.

Euros are only behind ukraine if America is paying for it

2 hours ago, TedG said:

Come on, man,  Ukraine is a sovereign country. 

And how did it come into being?

2 hours ago, hotsun said:

Euros are only behind ukraine if America is paying for it

Europe is a basket case and thinking folks know it.

 

Moribund economy.

Lack of will

Internal enemies

Socialism

 

Maybe we should offer statehood to some countries.

4 hours ago, TedG said:

6 hours ago, Yagoda said:

The Ukraine is not a country and has never been one

Come on, man,  Ukraine is a sovereign country. 

Why even engage with a Putain bot? They live in an alternate reality so don't exist themselves.

15 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Well, let's confine it to Ukraine, to retain a semblrance of relevance. Ukraine had developed ambitions to be an energy provider herself. This put her in direct competition with Russia. When the Russian friendly Ukrainian government was overthrown, with the aid of American intelligence but quite clearly also with broad popular support for switching allegiance from Russia to the West among a portion of Ukrainians, this was the key moment that Ukraine was set on a clear collision course with Russia.

 

The Ukrainians, like any cheating gf, knew that when she hops into bed with the West this would have unpleasant consequences due to her boyfriend Russia.

 

As a result the Ukrainians decided to seek the protection of the new boyfriend, NATO. However, as we can now see, cheating never pays.

As expected........

 

Now try, Finland, Sweden and the other ex Commy countries................🤔

14 minutes ago, WorriedNoodle said:

Why even engage with a Putain bot? They live in an alternate reality so don't exist themselves.

Why even contest facts when you can just flame. Typical.

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Why even contest facts when you can just flame. Typical.

"Flame", what flame......

That is your daily department, chap.......🤥

8 hours ago, bannork said:

 Khrushchev saw the transfer of Crimea to Ukraine as a way of fortifying and perpetuating Soviet control over Ukraine.  Some 860,000 ethnic Russians would be joining the already large Russian minority in Ukraine.

No gift there.

The Ukrainians voted for Zelensky with 73 percent of the vote, the largest tally in the country's history,

with a pro-Western and pro-European foreign policy. Even now his popularity is high, higher after Trump and Vance's despicable behaviour last Friday.

 

 

 

There is a documentary on Youtube about Pokrovsk and the surrounding areas, where Zelensky has left the population to bleed and die. You may want to listen to what those Ukrainians had to say about their comedian president. That was before the Kursk excursion and the recent oval office fail by Zelensky.

 

And how popular do you think Zelensky is now among the troops fighting in the trenches, who have now been deprived of US military and intelligence support? It is reported by the Guardian that Ukraine has lost 15% accuracy in its drone campaigns and lost the forewarning of US intelligence when Russian drones are about to hit.

 

Any smart Ukrainian will surely want to get rid of this ineffectual liability of a president. No wonder Zelensky himself offered to step down.

 

As for Crimea it was given by Russia to Ukraine to cement the reunification of Ukraine and Russia, as per the treaty of Pereyaslav, which had a 300 year anniversary when Krushchev was in power. Krushchev of course loved Ukraine, it was his favourite republic and he thought he was doing it a favour by facilitating economic integration between Ukraine and Crimea. Littile could he know that he would cause untold killing and death with his transfer of Crimea to Ukraine down the line.

On 3/8/2025 at 5:31 AM, Mike_Hunt said:

Sorry to drop facts on ya. 

I didn't see any facts only delusional perception.

The real fact is that neither the US or Russia were happy with what Reagan and Gorbachev did, with the old guard looking to go back to the old ways.

Trumps interest however probably has more to do with the Leo Wanta story.

https://www.amazon.com/Wanta-Black-Swan-White-Hat-ebook/dp/B00ZVH4FCQ

9 hours ago, sandyf said:

I didn't see any facts only delusional perception.

The real fact is that neither the US or Russia were happy with what Reagan and Gorbachev did, with the old guard looking to go back to the old ways.

Trumps interest however probably has more to do with the Leo Wanta story.

https://www.amazon.com/Wanta-Black-Swan-White-Hat-ebook/dp/B00ZVH4FCQ

Your attempt to change the topic is noted.   The fact of the matter is, Europeans are useless. 

6 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Your attempt to change the topic is noted.   The fact of the matter is, Europeans are useless. 

The Europeans should stick to what they are good at.

 

Leave the fisticuffs to others.

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

The Europeans should stick to what they are good at.

 

Leave the fisticuffs to others.

 

The US is built by European immigrants

2 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

The US is built by European immigrants

Face it, Europe is useless.  

1 minute ago, CallumWK said:

 

The US is built by European immigrants

The continent was always there. The people that lived there are history. Seems to me that things have always been much the same. The people with the biggest guns take the spoils. The peace-loving indigenousers are no more; all over.

 

Europe makes the best cars in the world. Has the prettiest ladies and best music. What do they want to fight for?

4 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

The continent was always there. The people that lived there are history. Seems to me that things have always been much the same. The people with the biggest guns take the spoils. The peace-loving indigenousers are no more; all over.

 

Europe makes the best cars in the world. Has the prettiest ladies and best music. What do they want to fight for?

 

They don't want to fight, I can't recall the last time Europe started a war.

They are stuck with the proxy war the US started in Europe

14 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

They don't want to fight, I can't recall the last time Europe started a war.

They are stuck with the proxy war the US started in Europe

Indeed!

 

I think it is appropriate to point out that some of these political elite warmongers are unelected. And those that are, are on shaky ground in their own countries.

 

Also, Russia is in Europe. Moscow is the biggest city in Europe. 

 

 

14 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Your attempt to change the topic is noted.   The fact of the matter is, Europeans are useless. 

I haven't tried to change anything, the topic is about Ukraine independence. 

For some reason you seem to think that by making derogatory comments about Europe will detract from the US failings on the issue, both current and historical.

Fairly obvious from the threads on the forum, historical actions are irrelevant to many.

 

14 hours ago, CallumWK said:

 

They don't want to fight, I can't recall the last time Europe started a war.

They are stuck with the proxy war the US started in Europe

You need to remind me, when did Europe become a country?

11 minutes ago, sandyf said:

For some reason you seem to think that by making derogatory comments about Europe will detract from the US failings on the issue, both current and historical.

It's entirely relevant to point out that Europe is being led by the biggest shower of numpties in Euro history. All they are good for is letting the aliens in and giving them and a stupid proxy war all the money.

Sooner they are unemployed the better.

 

As always, IMO.

14 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Fairly obvious from the threads on the forum, historical actions are irrelevant to many.

Never been a proxy war on this scale in history, so historical actions are irrelevant.

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

You need to remind me, when did Europe become a country?

 

You don't need to remind me about your pedantic trolling nature.

 

Would it satisfy you if i had named each European country individually?

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's entirely relevant to point out that Europe is being led by the biggest shower of numpties in Euro history. All they are good for is letting the aliens in and giving them and a stupid proxy war all the money.

Sooner they are unemployed the better.

 

As always, IMO.

The point in question is Ukranian independence.

The quality of European politicians has no bearing on the actions taken by the USA.

It may come as a surprise but history does have some bearing on Ukraine's right to independence.

If the US population do not believe in a country's right to independence, they should say so rather than be hypocritical about it, it is not a pick and choose scenario.

BTW. The UK are tarred with the same brush, the government threw their weight behind the Kosovo UDI and then kicked Scotland in the teeth.

 

Like every other country, the Ukraine case should be heard by the ICJ.

Russia is interfering with due process and not only getting away with it, supported by the US.

I am really glad my time is nearly up, a very dark future ahead.

4 hours ago, CallumWK said:

Would it satisfy you if i had named each European country individually?

Get off the high horse.

Your comment 

"They don't want to fight, I can't recall the last time Europe started a war."

was deliberately derogatory.

Since WW2 European policy has been to try and avoid war, unlike the US that will create confict at the drop of a hat in places they have no right to be. The greatest threat there is to world order.

Trump has no interest in peace, anywhere,  he justs wants the the country of his choosing to surrender.