Ukrainian forces lose access to Maxar satellite

[jas007]

26 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Trump's Halt on Ukraine Military Aid Puts U.S. Defense Contracts, Palantir at Riskhttps://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-halt-ukraine-military-aid-175735755.html

"At Risk"?  Can you comprehend English?   That's just someone's BS way of scaring people.  Starlink access remains, along with Palantir's targeting systems.

 

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, Dan O said:

He cant reply with anything sensible. He defaults to the standard MAGA lines with empty claims and deflection from truth and facts with excuses and what-aboutism. The Maga group are just sheep in a line looking at the butthole in front of them

Blah blah, your last claims were false,.

There is a thread about Ukriane peace talks and include quotes from an official statement by Rubio. Still no mention of giving extra land to Putin. Only what he occupies already. So that whole thread proves you were wrong.

[simple1]

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

"At Risk"?  Can you comprehend English?   That's just someone's BS way of scaring people.  Starlink access remains, along with Palantir's targeting systems.

 

 

No need to be rude; are you a MAGA supporter? As I understand currently Starlink and a few others are temporally banned. I assume. unless the talks in KSR progress more bans will be applied. Some more detail below as of 7 March...

 

https://breakingdefense.com/2025/03/nga-suspends-ukraines-access-to-commercial-satellite-imagery/

[jas007]

3 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

No need to be rude; are you a MAGA supporter? As I understand currently Starlink and a few others are temporally banned. I assume. unless the talks in KSR progress more bans will be applied. Some more detail below as of 7 March...

 

https://breakingdefense.com/2025/03/nga-suspends-ukraines-access-to-commercial-satellite-imagery/

What part of the English language don't you understand.? Commercial satellite imagery is one thing, Access to Starlink is something else again. To be sure, there may be some tangential connection between the availability of certain commercial satellite imagery and Palantir's ability to provide services via Starlink, but they really are two separate issues.  I read the article you linked.  Nothing in it suggests access to Starlink has been compromised.  You can bet it hasn't.

[simple1]

20 minutes ago, jas007 said:

What part of the English language don't you understand.? Commercial satellite imagery is one thing, Access to Starlink is something else again. To be sure, there may be some tangential connection between the availability of certain commercial satellite imagery and Palantir's ability to provide services via Starlink, but they really are two separate issues.  I read the article you linked.  Nothing in it suggests access to Starlink has been compromised.  You can bet it hasn't.

 

OK. I had understood imagery was cut off after Zelensky WH meeting. We do know trump has ceased supply of military intelligence which one assumes has more 'value' than Starlink. Musk has now promised to keep Starlink available for Ukraine, For sure Musk would terminate at trump's instruction; for the meantime...

 

https://www.voanews.com/a/after-poland-spat-musk-vows-ukraine-can-keep-starlink/8004518.html

[jas007]

8 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

OK. I had understood imagery was cut off after Zelensky WH meeting. We do know trump has ceased supply of military intelligence which one assumes has more 'value' than Starlink. Musk has now promised to keep Starlink available for Ukraine, For sure Musk would terminate at trump's instruction; for the meantime...

 

https://www.voanews.com/a/after-poland-spat-musk-vows-ukraine-can-keep-starlink/8004518.html

 AllI can say is that you can bet that not only does Starlink remain active, Ukraine will continue to have access to Palantir and the services it provides.  If you knew anything about Dr. Alex Karp, CEO of Palantir, you'd know that.  He and Musk have kept Ukraine from collapsing entirely.  

 

One time someone asked Karp how Palantir was doing in Ukraine.  His reply: "Ask the Russians."   

 

Well, the Russians may know, but Trump is the one that will make the deal to end the war, and his top priority is to stop the killing. He'll deal with the Russians and rearrange the world geopolitical landscape if that means achieving his goal of making a deal. 

[simple1]

Interesting clarification on the use of Starlink and Starshield use in Ukraine, one has to assume there are Top Secret T&Cs

 

Ukrainian officials have acknowledged their over-reliance on Starlink but could not find an equivalent in terms of coverage or quality of service.^[42] A US Department of Defense official said in 2022 that other entities existed to provide communications on the battlefields in Ukraine as an alternative to Starlink.^[77] A contractual arrangement with SpaceX for Starlink in Ukraine, as well as Starshield, a separate military-focused version of Starlink, seem to have been the solutions chosen by the DoD and SpaceX against the restrictions.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russian-Ukrainian_War#:~:text=SpaceX said that to the,doesn't work in Russia.

[simple1]

3 hours ago, jas007 said:

 AllI can say is that you can bet that not only does Starlink remain active, Ukraine will continue to have access to Palantir and the services it provides.  If you knew anything about Dr. Alex Karp, CEO of Palantir, you'd know that.  He and Musk have kept Ukraine from collapsing entirely.  

 

One time someone asked Karp how Palantir was doing in Ukraine.  His reply: "Ask the Russians."   

 

Well, the Russians may know, but Trump is the one that will make the deal to end the war, and his top priority is to stop the killing. He'll deal with the Russians and rearrange the world geopolitical landscape if that means achieving his goal of making a deal. 

 

I'm always rather astonished the amount of trust trump supporters place on his claims. So far as I know trump personally hasn't closed any international diplomacy deals to end conflicts (surrendered to Taliban) and very few trade deals. Trump's renowned for unilaterally withdrawing from / cancelling international agreements, but otherwise....

[jas007]

41 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

I'm always rather astonished the amount of trust trump supporters place on his claims. So far as I know trump personally hasn't closed any international diplomacy deals to end conflicts (surrendered to Taliban) and very few trade deals. Trump's renowned for unilaterally withdrawing from / cancelling international agreements, but otherwise....

I don't necessarily "trust" Trump.  I'm just trying to explain his thinking.  Didn't he once write a book called "The Art of the Deal"?  He's running the country like a business and he's going to make a deal with whoever is at the table.  And he knows full well that the Russia won the war.  And he's looking forward.  Number one priority: the killing stops. If that means rearranging the geopolitical landscape, leaving NATO too their own devices, and siding with Putin, that's what will happen.  He also knows that billions and billions of dollars were poured into Ukraine by the last administration, with no accountability and much of it kicked back to members of congress who have so much money they couldn't possibly acquire such wealth simply by being good at trading sticks.  He wants the return of America's money.  Putin has offered such a deal and Trump will accept, recognizing reality.  

[MicroB]

9 hours ago, Hellfire said:

Yeah, Russia and Putin never invaded anywhere and never annexed the chunks of other countries.  Putin never demanded of Nato to get out of Eastern Europe. And of course, Trump and his supporters will fight until the end for Estonia! No doubt!
So - pure alarmism, nothing else.

 

 

NATO is, to all intents of purposes, over, in terms of a functional body that can coordinate action. I can imagine the corridors at Allied Command Operations in Belgium are now unusually quiet. Allied Command Transformation is based in Virginia. The US has now pulled out of all planning for exercises. Inter-operability will quickly degrade if troops don't train together, learn together. Putin won't be attacking NATO or the EU. He'll pick Estonia first, a lightening grab because his generals tell him they have the kit, because they have the receipts. His reading will be that his forces can swiftly take Tallin before NATO can react. Probably smash the place up. The EU will be a disorganised mess about how to react, so he thinks. He thinks NATO, without US heavy lift into Latvia and Lithuania, cannot respond. He swftly takes Latvia and Lithuania without a shot being fired, because they don't want to end up like Estonia. Simultaneously, the Slovakian and Hungarian Prime Ministers invite Russian troops to set up bases, citing security concerns, following the withdrawal of US troops, and the need to support and expand the refugee camps springing up on their Eastern borders with Ukraine.

 

This doesn't mean how it is. But what Putin thinks. Wars start because of misunderstandings and miscalculations. He's counting on European countries being picked off one by one, or governments falling to populist wingnuts, and becoming basically ungovernable , and therefore of no interest to Russia.

[metisdead]

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[stevenl]

13 hours ago, jas007 said:

Number one priority: the killing stops.

He doesn't care about that at all. His priority is a deal, at who's expense he doesn't care.

[jas007]

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

He doesn't care about that at all. His priority is a deal, at who's expense he doesn't care.

I think he really does.  But he's also going to make a deal.  The two are not mutually exclusive.  If that means accepting the reality that Russia won and realigning the world geopolitical map, then that's what he'll do. Russia is not at war with the USA. The USA is not at war with Russia.  Of course, the Neocons always needed the Russian boogeyman for their endless war, and so there's that legacy that has continued but will be no more.  

[simple1]

13 hours ago, jas007 said:

Didn't he once write a book called "The Art of the Deal"

 

No. A ghost writer wrote the book.

 

Got to question who actually is in the drivers seat for Ukraine negotiations, 'cause trump isn't there. He will turn up to sign stuff when negotiations are completed. For the meantime Russia has to agree with the temporary  ceasefire. Obviously gives time for both sides to rearm etc. But trump withdrawal of support provided some leway for Russia to regain some territory in Kursk thereby weakening Ukraine's negotiating position

[simple1]

13 hours ago, jas007 said:

He also knows that billions and billions of dollars were poured into Ukraine by the last administration, with no accountability and much of it kicked back to members of congress who have so much money they couldn't possibly acquire such wealth simply by being good at trading sticks

 

Proof?

[jas007]

23 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Proof?

Do the math, especially on some of the more recent members of congress, such as AOC.  She was a bartender, and then was elected to congress with a salary of less than $200K.  And now she's worth millions.  Nobody trades stocks that well.  It's not mathematically possible. 

[jas007]

29 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

No. A ghost writer wrote the book.

 

Got to question who actually is in the drivers seat for Ukraine negotiations, 'cause trump isn't there. He will turn up to sign stuff when negotiations are completed. For the meantime Russia has to agree with the temporary  ceasefire. Obviously gives time for both sides to rearm etc. But trump withdrawal of support provided some leway for Russia to regain some territory in Kursk thereby weakening Ukraine's negotiating position

 It's being billed as some sort of "shuttle diplomacy."  Trump's negotiators negotiating with Putin and Zelenskyy separately, with Rubio overseeing it all.  

 

I do worry about Rubio, though.  So far, he's trying to do his job and support the President, but he's also a Neocon and faces tough choices ahead with the situation in the Middle East. That's where we'll find out who really controls US foreign policy.  Israel, or the USA.  And that's where WWIII will likely begin. Not in Ukraine. In the Middle East.  The Ukrainian war is over.  Trump and Putin are just cleaning up the mess at this point. 

[stevenl]

33 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Do the math, especially on some of the more recent members of congress, such as AOC.  She was a bartender, and then was elected to congress with a salary of less than $200K.  And now she's worth millions.  Nobody trades stocks that well.  It's not mathematically possible. 

So no proof, just the usual wild accusations.

[jas007]

4 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So no proof, just the usual wild accusations.

Not wild accusations.  Do the math.  Maybe I will, and come back with some numbers. 

[jas007]

10 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So no proof, just the usual wild accusations.

And don't forget Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Mitch McConnell.  

 

DOGE wants to look into how they got their millions, as well.  That would be fun to watch. 

[jas007]

And it keeps getting better and better.  According to the new Treasury Secretary, they think they can establish a paper trail back to payments received by various members of congress.  So, despite all the shell companies and other ways they disguise money transfers, they may be in big trouble.