Russia Rejects Trump's Temporary Ukraine Ceasefire Offer

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, candide said:

I disagree with Obama's policy re. Russia at that time. Like others, he clearly underestimated the Russian threat.

 

BTW, at this time, Trump cheered the invasion of Crimea. 

 

cheery link please...

[candide]

9 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

😅classic! This was literally the lefts position. The war was due to Putin being a madman. Now you finally admit he is not? Priceless! Next you will admit there was provocation. Hard to keep up with the hivemind changing positions so fast.

Still making more stuff up! 😆

I never said he was a madman. I never believed his nuclear threats.

 

BTW, It's mainly MAGAs who continuously claimed that Biden's policies would trigger WW3 and nuclear winter. 

[candide]

6 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

cheery link please...

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/26/politics/trump-putin-ukraine/index.html

[bannork]

2 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Referendums/elections were held in Donbass and Crimea while under bombardment by Nazis.

 

They managed.

You mean when soldiers went round to people's houses ordering them to vote ?

And now the Russian authorities force the locals to accept a Russian passport.

[Yellowtail]

20 minutes ago, candide said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/26/politics/trump-putin-ukraine/index.html

Already debunked 

[RayC]

1 hour ago, connda said:

Here's the fact.

Russian is winning and there is nothing Ukraine, the EU, the UK, the US, or NATO can do about it short of nuclear war.
Other than that?  Russia will continue to grind away regardless of what NATO does conventionally. 

Fact:
Russia has won.
Ukraine has lost.  By extension, because Ukraine is simply NATO's proxy, then NATO has lost.

Admit defeat, accept Russia's terms as the victor, and get on with the process of rebuilding that which didn't need to be destroyed in the first place.  And mourn the needless deaths.  This could have all ended in April 2022, but the US and NATO wanted a proxy war with Russia.  They lost.

Russia isn't going to accept a ceasefire because it is winning.  Victor's don't stop, they fight on until the loser gives up. The Western press can whine, moan, and call Russia and Putin mean names which are then repeated ad nauseam by leaders of the EU, UK, NATO members, and the US. It doesn't matter.  They all can threaten Russia with more sanctions, Russia doesn't care.  They can all collectively howl at the moon and throw temper-tantrums, it doesn't matter. Russia will continue the grind forward.  If the US and Trump really want peace - start negotiating and forget "ceasefires" until a comprehensive treaty is ready to be signed - then - declare a armistice and cease hostilities based on the signed treaty.  Until then it is going to be business as usual for the Russians, and the Russian meat-grinder will continue to grind Ukrainian and NATO steak and turn it into hamburger.  That's "facts."

Of course we keep hearing, "Putin is going to invade Europe."
At the present rate of the forward momentum of its military, Russia should reach Paris in about 20 years. The "Russia is going to invade Europe" trope is fabricated bunk which is used by EU leaders to justify the continuation of hostilities with Russia, not vice versa. But hell, keep spewing that rhetorical nonsense.  It's amusing, but not fact based. But it could lead to a nuclear war provoked by the West. Of course, when you're dying of radiation poisoning or freezing to death in a nuclear winter, you can pat yourself on the back and rail on that Russia Caused The End Of the World.  At that point facts won't matter. Oh - and you're "leaders" will be deep underground in bunkers laughing at you and the rest of the commoners dying on the surface.  You know - surface scum. 

 

Unfortunately there may be some truth in what you say. Russia may well end up as the victor.

 

However, you are completely incorrect regarding the catalyst for this war.  It has nothing to do with the US and NATO wanting a poxy war with Russia, and everything to do with Russia wanted to prevent Ukraine moving towards the West. 

 

Victor Yanukovych was elected on a platform which sought EU membership. As a first step towards this, Ukraine was to enter into an Association Agreement with the EU and legislation was passed by the Ukrainian parliament to effect this Agreement. However, Yanukovych - under pressure from Moscow - refused to sign the Agreement and, instead decided to pursue stronger economic ties with Russia. There was a public outcry over this which led to the Maiden protests and the overthrow of Yanukovych.

 

There can be no doubt that if matters had been left to run their natural course after Yanukovych's removal that Ukraine would have forged ever closer ties with the West in general, and the EU in particular. This was unacceptable to Putin and he ordered the invasion - and subsequent annexation of Crimea - on the pretext that the invading Russian forces were no more than 'peace keepers'.

 

Only one nation - Russia - and in all likelihood one person - Putin - bears responsibility for this war.

[connda]

Instead of just going immediately to calling Putin names, try listening to his rationale which is rational. 2+ minute video of Putin discussing the ceasefire and his issues with the Rubio proposal.

https://news.sky.com/story/vladimir-putin-says-he-agrees-to-ukraine-ceasefire-proposal-but-lots-of-questions-remain-13327903

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, candide said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/26/politics/trump-putin-ukraine/index.html

 

Cheery...not CNNery

[connda]

4 hours ago, candide said:

The nuclear war argument is a nonsense. Putin perfectly knows that if he does that, his country will be annihilated.

Fools like you don't understand MAD.  Everybody dies.  "Who launched first" and "Why" is meaningless. "his country will be annihilated."  The entire world will be annihilated.

"Well that's just nonsense.  Blah blah blah."

F-o-o-l

[bannork]

20 minutes ago, connda said:

Fools like you don't understand MAD.  Everybody dies.  "Who launched first" and "Why" is meaningless. "his country will be annihilated."  The entire world will be annihilated.

"Well that's just nonsense.  Blah blah blah."

F-o-o-l

Farangs in Thailand will be okay, but pensions will cease so you better have a farm. Sticky rice, farmyard chickens and somtam. Perfect so long as folks brew their own beer.

[still kicking]

10 minutes ago, bannork said:

Farangs in Thailand will be okay, but pensions will cease so you better have a farm. Sticky rice, farmyard chickens and somtam. Perfect so long as folks brew their own beer.

And I was sure brewing your own beer is illegal in Thailand 

[bannork]

6 minutes ago, still kicking said:

And I was sure brewing your own beer is illegal in Thailand 

After Armageddon, the Thais may feel sorry for the destitute farangs. 

[candide]

1 hour ago, connda said:

Fools like you don't understand MAD.  Everybody dies.  "Who launched first" and "Why" is meaningless. "his country will be annihilated."  The entire world will be annihilated.

"Well that's just nonsense.  Blah blah blah."

F-o-o-l

Talking about blah blah.....