1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

A girl who had both parents and was raised right is more likely to have integrity, be honest and keep her word. Contrast that with a girl who grew up with her grandmother, neglectged by her mother who was always working because the father left the family. She sees her mother being promiscuous, lying and cheating. Clearly she is far more likely to cheat and lie.

Now you're just repeating Fredwiggy nonsense.

23 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Loyalty is a knightly virtue, it's for men, women don't subscribe to our virtue system.

 

Also, many guys forget the paucity of available women in the west, our governments have replaced their need for us.

But in SEA with no welfare, there are so many available women, it's hard to choose which one to have next.

 

You're right,

there's always a man with more money, which is why you don't transport them back to your home country where they can meet him.

 

It is true that it was us, men, who invented monogamy, ie we demanded sexual fidelity in exchange for resources. It was men, true.

 

However, women know very well that is what is expected, sexual fidelity in exchange for resources.

 

Now, is it a cardinal problem that women do not respect this covenant, they will take the resources, but they will not give loyalty in return. You have already written above that this is what happens, women cheat. You can't have it both ways and say "Ah, women always cheat" and "Oh just keep paying them and they will stay loyal". This does not make sense. 

 

Either they always cheat or you can have some women who do not cheat. You cannot say both things at the same time.

 

However, some women do not cheat, over 20 years, they do not cheat. Why not? Because 1) the material framework was satisfactory to them AND 2) they are women of integrity and good character and do not want to cheat.

 

This is why I started this thread by saying there are 2 kinds of women. Those who cheat, and those who do not, given certain circumstances.

 

 

27 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Or, if you give her enough money to make her happy, she might be perfectly content.  There's always the chance that she will find someone else, but you get that with desire also.

 

As I said above, if you have a material framework that allows the woman to be content, that is a key requirement to prevent her cheating, together with avoiding creating "other options" for her and of course vetting for a woman that has integrity.

 

However, the problem is that paying her money simply raises expectations and it will never be enough. All women want to improve their life. If they just stagnate and you pay them 8000 Baht, they will not be happy. Therefore the odds of them finding someone who has more money increas, and that is always a risk.

 

Yes of course, the flame of passion can be extinguished too, however, the loyalty that arises from true love and attraction is much stronger than any loyalty to money. A woman will want more. If she gets 8000 baht every month soon she will get used to that, and she will expect more in due course. It will not suffice.

13 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

You can't have it both ways and say "Ah, women always cheat" and "Oh just keep paying them and they will stay loyal". This does not make sense. 

I've never said that, I always say learn to cheat on them too.

But let them know all children will be DNA tested.

9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

However, the problem is that paying her money simply raises expectations and it will never be enough. All women want to improve their life. If they just stagnate and you pay them 8000 Baht, they will not be happy. Therefore the odds of them finding someone who has more money increas, and that is always a risk.

Not true,

As they get older their worth lowers, and their chance of attracting a new guy diminishes.

 

You view women as something to put on a pedestal and worship.

I view women more like a beer, to be enjoyed and then discarded.

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

However, the problem is that paying her money simply raises expectations and it will never be enough. All women want to improve their life. If they just stagnate and you pay them 8000 Baht, they will not be happy. Therefore the odds of them finding someone who has more money increas, and that is always a risk.

 

So you find someone else who is happy with 8,000 Baht per month.  🤷‍♂️

 

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Yes of course, the flame of passion can be extinguished too, however, the loyalty that arises from true love and attraction is much stronger than any loyalty to money. A woman will want more. If she gets 8000 baht every month soon she will get used to that, and she will expect more in due course. It will not suffice.

 

As I said, I'm not sure you understand the type of men that visit Thailand to find a wife or girlfriend.  The chances of a foreigner being a guy that can find a beautiful young woman and make her fall madly in love with him, to the point where she only has eyes for him and tolerates him cheating, are incredibly low.

12 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I've never said that, I always say learn to cheat on them too.

But let them know all children will be DNA tested.

 

Look, I am perfectly fine to go along with 50%, 60%, even 70% of women cheat. 

 

There is no way on earth that ALL women cheat.

 

That's just overstating the problem. Yes, it is a very, very serious problem.

 

But some women do not cheat. And it's not because they get 8000 Baht, though that may be part of it.

10 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Not true,

As they get older their worth lowers, and their chance of attracting a new guy diminishes.

 

You view women as something to put on a pedestal and worship.

I view women more like a beer, to be enjoyed and then discarded.

 

Quite.  He doesn't seem to realise that women are a depreciating asset (and they know it).

10 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Not true,

As they get older their worth lowers, and their chance of attracting a new guy diminishes.

 

 

I am not talking about older women over 32 years old. I am not referring to them in any way whatsoever, because I have zero experience of older women. I cannot talk about them meaningfully.

 

I can imagine that indeed for a very old, unattractive woman, she may well be happy with 8000 Baht. But I am not talking about older women. I am talking about women 18 to 30. No older than that.

7 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Quite.  He doesn't seem to realise that women are a depreciating asset (and they know it).

Yah, it's truly sad the number of guys that come to SEA and bring their western woman worshiping with them.

10 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

So you find someone else who is happy with 8,000 Baht per month.  🤷‍♂️

 

As I said, I'm not sure you understand the type of men that visit Thailand to find a wife or girlfriend.  The chances of a foreigner being a guy that can find a beautiful young woman and make her fall madly in love with him, to the point where she only has eyes for him and tolerates him cheating, are incredibly low.

 

This is not a satisfcatory solution. You don't want to keep chasing women, because just like with women YOU too will be getting older, so there will come a time when you can no longer persuade a 25 year old Thai girl to stay with you for 8000 Baht.

 

The only solution is to find a woman of good character who will stay with you long term and is loyal. That is the only solution that could work.

 

I have managed several times to find a young beautiful woman who was madly in love with me, so whilst it is very difficult, it is certainly not beyond the realms of the possible.

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I am not talking about older women over 32 years old. I am not referring to them in any way whatsoever, because I have zero experience of older women. I cannot talk about them meaningfully.

 

I can imagine that indeed for a very old, unattractive woman, she may well be happy with 8000 Baht. But I am not talking about older women. I am talking about women 18 to 30. No older than that.

Shakira still looks pretty good at 50!

 

4 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Yah, it's truly sad the number of guys that come to SEA and bring their western woman worshiping with them.

 

Lol, I don't worship women in the slightest. However, what you guys are suggesting, that ALL women cheat, and you can just pay a little money to some old woman, sorry that is not accurate nor is it a satisfactory solution.

Just now, BritManToo said:

Shakira still looks pretty good at 50!

 

Not compared to Shakira at 23.

 

Huge difference.

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Not compared to Shakira at 23.

Huge difference.

About $300 Million!

8 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

About $300 Million!

 

Let's have a look:

 

This was 11 years ago:

 

 

This was 3 years ago

51 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Now you're just repeating Fredwiggy nonsense.

I say nonsense, also.  I know of girls raised by their grandmothers that have high moral standards and been highly successful business women.  My girlfriend's niece is a perfect example.

1 minute ago, Hawaiian said:

I say nonsense, also.  I know of girls raised by their grandmothers that have high moral standards and been highly successful business women.  My girlfriend's niece is a perfect example.

 

You missed the point, it wasn't just about being raised by grandmother and neglected by mother, it was also seeing the mother being a promiscuous lying drunk. Of course if that is the environment the girl is far more likely to lack integrity.

 

Upbringing does matter.

30 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Let's have a look:

 

This was 11 years ago:

 

 

This was 3 years ago

And she has no interest in dating any of us. Any volunteers to post your pictures at 30 and 50? 

6 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

And she has no interest in dating any of us. Any volunteers to post your pictures at 30 and 50? 

 

Shakira really is a very special case. Whilst it is true she has aged very well, for every Shakira you have a Pamela Anderson, a Brigitte Bardot, I mean real horror stories.

 

And yes indeed, we too, as men, would look better at 30 than at 50, which was my whole point.

 

Yes, you can pay a 50 year old Thai woman to be loyal to you. And maybe she is one of the exceptions and still looks good. However, obviously it is preferable to have a younger woman with integrity who stays with you not for money (or not just for money let's say).

 

However, to determine if she has integrity and good character, a proper vetting has to take place.

51 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

However, obviously it is preferable to have a younger woman with integrity who stays with you not for money (or not just for money let's say).

 

No such woman exists.

You will always fail as you are chasing a dream.

In order to succeed, you need an obtainable prize.

1. Never...never marry.

2. Always make sure to be worth more alive, then dead.

3. If she has had kids before, flee...

4. If she starts to ask for money for supporting family or whatever back in the village, flee

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

I am not talking about older women over 32 years old. I am not referring to them in any way whatsoever, because I have zero experience of older women. I cannot talk about them meaningfully.

 

I can imagine that indeed for a very old, unattractive woman, she may well be happy with 8000 Baht. But I am not talking about older women. I am talking about women 18 to 30. No older than that.

You're wasting your time trying to find the One, liberating when you give up looking, BTW girls don't cheat if they really like you, you should be able to tell.

 

Problem is guys use money to seal the deal so the women don't really like them most likely

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

No such woman exists.

You will always fail as you are chasing a dream.

In order to succeed, you need an obtainable prize.

 

Look, I was married for 22 years to a woman like this. She never cheated. I know these women exist.

 

Yes, many women do cheat and do not have integrity. But not all.

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

BTW girls don't cheat if they really like you, you should be able to tell.

 

This is absolutely true. As long as she believes you are her best option she will not cheat on you.

 

But she can like you, if you do not give her any money she may decide she is not getting enough out of the relationship. It is not just about  liking you. If she thinks you are not her best option because she can get money from some other guy, even if she likes you she will break up.

Most women are just gold diggers and users

51 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

This is absolutely true. As long as she believes you are her best option she will not cheat on you.

 

But she can like you, if you do not give her any money she may decide she is not getting enough out of the relationship. It is not just about  liking you. If she thinks you are not her best option because she can get money from some other guy, even if she likes you she will break up.

Depends if she has enough money from elsewhere

1 hour ago, Harrisfan said:

Most women are just gold diggers and users

 

Almost all women want your resources. True. But some women have integrity, and if they are happy with the resources you provide, they will not cheat on you.

 

However, there are women who have no integrity, and even if they are provided with good resources, they will still cheat on you. 

 

This is the danger you need to avoid and why you need to vet the girl.

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

Depends if she has enough money from elsewhere

 

Very true. As a general rule of course if a girl is in a relationship with you she needs your resources. If she does not need anything from you there is little reason for her to be in a relationship at all.

Having a Thai male friend give advice is the best way, farangs have no idea.

One said the best way is to ask them to lend you money.

The way they talk in Thai is another good indicator as well as their job and the way they dress.

Obviously if you are looking for marriage a hymen should be part of the package otherwise it is just your turn and use it then lose it is the best way forward.