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Le Pen’s Ban Fuels Hard-Right Narrative of Persecution

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Le Pen’s Ban Fuels Hard-Right Narrative of Persecution

 

Marine Le Pen’s conviction and subsequent ban from running in the French presidential election has sent shockwaves through Europe, reigniting the political battle between populist forces and the establishment. The verdict, which bars her from candidacy for five years, effectively eliminates her from the 2027 race—a contest she was widely expected to have a strong chance of winning. This decision has fueled claims from her party, the National Rally, that the French political system is deliberately targeting the hard right to maintain the status quo.

 

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Giorgia Meloni, Italy’s Eurosceptic and populist prime minister, condemned the ruling, declaring, “Today it is not only Marine Le Pen who was unjustly condemned: it was French democracy that was killed.” The verdict has been quickly compared to Romania’s constitutional court ruling last year, which annulled and postponed presidential elections that had seemed within reach for the radical nationalist right. While the circumstances differ, Romanian hard-right leader George Simion echoed the sentiment of persecution, stating, “Targeting or annihilating your political opponent by any means is straight out of the instruction manual of totalitarian regimes. This happened [in France].”

 

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Supporters of the ruling, however, view Le Pen’s ban as justified, given the court’s determination that she embezzled European Union funds to support her party over an 11-year period. François Hollande, France’s former president, defended the decision, emphasizing judicial independence. “The only reaction I can have as a former French president is to respect the independence of the judicial system,” he said. “Ms. Le Pen, like all the other convicted people, can go to the appeals court for even the ineligibility ruling.”

 

 

Despite this, even within France’s mainstream conservative Republicans party, skepticism about the ruling’s motives is growing. Éric Ciotti, the party’s former president, suggested the judgment was less about financial misconduct and more about eliminating a radical anti-establishment candidate from the race. “The democratic destiny of our nation [is] confiscated by an outrageous judicial cabal,” he argued. “The favoured candidate in the presidential election prevented from running. This is not a simple dysfunction. It is a system to capture power that systematically throws aside any candidate that is too far to the right and who has a chance of winning.”

 

The decision reinforces the National Rally’s long-standing claim that the political system is rigged against them. After being locked out of power in last year’s parliamentary elections due to tactical voting, the party now has another rallying point to mobilize its base. With Le Pen sidelined, Jordan Bardella, the party’s young and dynamic president, is expected to lead the National Rally’s campaign in 2027.

 

Mij Rahman, head of Europe at the Eurasia political risk consultancy, suggested that President Emmanuel Macron is concerned about the political consequences of Le Pen’s conviction. There is speculation that National Rally could attempt to oust Prime Minister François Bayrou through a confidence vote in France’s fragile National Assembly. “Le Pen will find many people, in France and elsewhere, who will believe her accusation that the establishment seeks her ‘political death,’” Rahman explained. “Macron and his government are also reported to fear the consequences on public opinion and political stability of a ban on Le Pen.”

 

Le Pen’s case has also drawn criticism from beyond France. Former U.S. President Donald Trump has frequently attacked what he calls “democracy by judges” in Europe, suggesting that centrist elites are using legal mechanisms to sideline right-wing opponents who might otherwise win at the ballot box. Trump’s vice president, JD Vance, has echoed this concern. Elon Musk, the billionaire entrepreneur and Trump adviser, also weighed in, writing on X: “When the radical left can’t win via democratic vote, they abuse the legal system to jail their opponents. This is their standard playbook throughout the world.”

 

Regardless of whether Le Pen’s conviction is legally sound, the political fallout is undeniable. With nationalist and populist movements rising across Europe, from Alternative for Germany to other anti-establishment parties, her ban could serve as a rallying cry. Camille Lons, of the European Council on Foreign Relations in Paris, warned of the broader implications. “This decision has profound implications, not only for the French political dynamics, but also for the broader battle of narratives surrounding democracy in the West,” she said. “The broader European consequences of this decision should not be underestimated. The immediate impact may be a surge in support for anti-establishment movements across Europe.”

 

As Europe grapples with shifting political currents, Le Pen’s exclusion may prove to be more than just a legal ruling—it could be a defining moment in the continent’s ongoing ideological battle.

 

Based on a report by The Times  2025-04-03

 

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  • It's not a narrative. It's happening all over Europe. Right wing parties being banned, right wing leaders being jailed etc.   They even tried it in the US but fortunately the American electo

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    It is worth looking at other offences of corruption in France to juxtapose with the treatment of Le Pen. The offences differ in detail, but they are broadly similar in nature — all involve misuse of p

  • And then promoted to President of the European Central Bank since 2019!

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It is worth looking at other offences of corruption in France to juxtapose with the treatment of Le Pen. The offences differ in detail, but they are broadly similar in nature — all involve misuse of public funds or negligence in public office:

 

<> Marine Le Pen: Convicted in 2025 for embezzling EU funds by using them to pay party staff in France rather than for EU parliamentary work. Result: 4-year sentence (2 suspended), €100,000 fine, 5-year ban from office 

 

<> Christine Lagarde: Found guilty in 2016 of negligence over a €400m payout to a businessman while finance minister. No fine, no ban, no sentence imposed.

 

<> Jacques Chirac: Convicted in 2011 of embezzlement and abuse of public trust — creating fake jobs while mayor of Paris. Received a 2-year suspended sentence, no political ban.

 

Proportionality …. hmmmm, arguably, Le Pen’s case involves a smaller financial scale than Lagarde’s or Chirac’s — yet she received the harshest penalty in terms of political consequences. That raises valid concerns about consistency and timing, especially with an election on the horizon; and we worry about the ominous signs of a two their justice system in the UK.

 

 

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It's not a narrative. It's happening all over Europe. Right wing parties being banned, right wing leaders being jailed etc.

 

They even tried it in the US but fortunately the American electorate saw through it and elected "convicted felon" Trump anyway. Well done America.  

Not surprisingly, the opponents of the verdict are not denying she's guilty as charged.

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36 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Not surprisingly, the opponents of the verdict are not denying she's guilty as charged.

 

Not sure there are too many opponents of the verdict; it was arrived at in a French court of law, the issue that some, like myself have, is the proportionality, or otherwise, of the sentencing.

 

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1 hour ago, Social Media said:

As Europe grapples with shifting political currents, Le Pen’s exclusion may prove to be more than just a legal ruling—it could be a defining moment in the continent’s ongoing ideological battle.

Good, that democracy works and laws are made for everybody. (Opposite of US)

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1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Christine Lagarde: Found guilty in 2016 of negligence over a €400m payout to a businessman while finance minister. No fine, no ban, no sentence imposed.

And then promoted to President of the European Central Bank since 2019!

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1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

It's not a narrative. It's happening all over Europe. Right wing parties being banned, right wing leaders being jailed etc

In Germany the establishment even cries for a ban! of the right wing party.

Latest polls show them at 24% just one percent behind the leading party.

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2 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

It is worth looking at other offences of corruption in France to juxtapose with the treatment of Le Pen. The offences differ in detail, but they are broadly similar in nature — all involve misuse of public funds or negligence in public office:

 

<> Marine Le Pen: Convicted in 2025 for embezzling EU funds by using them to pay party staff in France rather than for EU parliamentary work. Result: 4-year sentence (2 suspended), €100,000 fine, 5-year ban from office 

 

<> Christine Lagarde: Found guilty in 2016 of negligence over a €400m payout to a businessman while finance minister. No fine, no ban, no sentence imposed.

 

<> Jacques Chirac: Convicted in 2011 of embezzlement and abuse of public trust — creating fake jobs while mayor of Paris. Received a 2-year suspended sentence, no political ban.

 

Proportionality …. hmmmm, arguably, Le Pen’s case involves a smaller financial scale than Lagarde’s or Chirac’s — yet she received the harshest penalty in terms of political consequences. That raises valid concerns about consistency and timing, especially with an election on the horizon; and we worry about the ominous signs of a two their justice system in the UK.

 

 

Your comparisons are completely irrelevant. The offenses and the laws used were different.

 

She's been convicted according to a law (Sapin II), voted after the cases you mention,  in order to better fight corruption. According to the law, the inegibility sanction is mandatory, and not any more optional as before. The judges are not allowed to decide otherwise.

 

As she was an autocratic party leader, she was deciding and giving written instructions about how  the money was spent, who should be recruited, etc.. She did not leave it to party executives. That's why she was convicted, not as party leader but as the person who directly gave orders to fraud. 

 

Executives from a party supporting Macron have been convicted in 2024 for exactly the same offense, according to the same law.

1 hour ago, KhunBENQ said:

And then promoted to President of the European Central Bank since 2019!

That's not quite right.

Lagarde was convicted because of negligence. Because she did not oppose to a arbitration award causing a loss of 400 mill. 

1 hour ago, KhunBENQ said:

In Germany the establishment even cries for a ban! of the right wing party.

Latest polls show them at 24% just one percent behind the leading party.

That's almost 1/3 of the electorate? So 2/3 do not agree with the right wing?

34 minutes ago, candide said:

Your comparisons are completely irrelevant. The offenses and the laws used were different.

 

She's been convicted according to a law (Sapin II), voted after the cases you mention,  in order to better fight corruption. According to the law, the inegibility sanction is mandatory, and not any more optional as before. The judges are not allowed to decide otherwise.

 

As she was an autocratic party leader, she was deciding and giving written instructions about how  the money was spent, who should be recruited, etc.. She did not leave it to party executives. That's why she was convicted, not as party leader but as the person who directly gave orders to fraud. 

 

Executives from a party supporting Macron have been convicted in 2024 for exactly the same offense, according to the same law.

Thank you for put it right

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48 minutes ago, candide said:

Your comparisons are completely irrelevant. The offenses and the laws used were different.

 

She's been convicted according to a law (Sapin II), voted after the cases you mention,  in order to better fight corruption. According to the law, the inegibility sanction is mandatory, and not any more optional as before. The judges are not allowed to decide otherwise.

 

As she was an autocratic party leader, she was deciding and giving written instructions about how  the money was spent, who should be recruited, etc.. She did not leave it to party executives. That's why she was convicted, not as party leader but as the person who directly gave orders to fraud. 

 

Executives from a party supporting Macron have been convicted in 2024 for exactly the same offense, according to the same law.

 

 

Utter nonsense, my comparisons have great validity regarding the point I was making, something you have completely ignored. At the start of my comment I said “The offences differ in detail, but they are broadly similar in nature — all involve misuse of public funds or negligence in public office”

 

You have completely ignored the point I was making, and instead embarked on a pointless rant about Le Pen being guilty. I have never disputed her guilt, just the disproportionate sentencing. Did you not even understand the point I was making ? ….. obviously not, so your reply is completely irrelevant.

 

 

 

 

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48 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

That's not quite right.

 

Nonsense, Christine Lagarde became President of the European Central Bank on 1st November 2019; how could you possibly comment without knowing that fact (rhetorical)

 

 

10 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Nonsense, Christine Lagarde became President of the European Central Bank on 1st November 2019; how could you possibly comment without knowing that fact (rhetorical)

 

 

Irrelevant comment. 

It's about her conviction.

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44 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

Utter nonsense, my comparisons have great validity regarding the point I was making, something you have completely ignored. At the start of my comment I said “The offences differ in detail, but they are broadly similar in nature — all involve misuse of public funds or negligence in public office”

 

You have completely ignored the point I was making, and instead embarked on a pointless rant about Le Pen being guilty. I have never disputed her guilt, just the disproportionate sentencing. Did you not even understand the point I was making ? ….. obviously not, so your reply is completely irrelevant.

 

 

 

 

You don't even know and understand what you are talking about!😆

 

Not the same offense and not the same law. What is so difficult to understand?

 

France has mainly a Roman law system which specifies which penalty for which offense. It's not an Anglo-Saxon law system. The offenses were different. For example, willful fraud re. public funds is different from negligence in the use of public funds.

 

The law applied is also different from the laws applicable at that time, because it is more recent. The "Sapin II" law was voted end of 2016. It is stricter and includes harsher sentences than the previous laws, and also a mandatory inegibility sanction (instead of an optional sanction before). 

 

Had she been judged before this law was implemented, she would likely have received a less harsh sentence and possibly no inegibility sanction.

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15 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Irrelevant comment. 

It's about her conviction.

 

Nope, not in the least irrelevant, do you not even remember what you were replying to ?

 

Here’s a reminder; this is the comment you replied to "And then promoted to President of the European Central Bank since 2019!”

You then replied saying that’s not quite true, when it is in fact categorically true.

 

 

 

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It would be more accurate to observe the seething rightwing politics of grievance feeding off a rightwing politician being convicted for the crimes she committed.

 

The rightwing support for law and order coming to an abrupt halt when one of their own is held accountable under the law.

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

It is worth looking at other offences of corruption in France to juxtapose with the treatment of Le Pen. The offences differ in detail, but they are broadly similar in nature — all involve misuse of public funds or negligence in public office:

 

<> Marine Le Pen: Convicted in 2025 for embezzling EU funds by using them to pay party staff in France rather than for EU parliamentary work. Result: 4-year sentence (2 suspended), €100,000 fine, 5-year ban from office 

 

<> Christine Lagarde: Found guilty in 2016 of negligence over a €400m payout to a businessman while finance minister. No fine, no ban, no sentence imposed.

 

<> Jacques Chirac: Convicted in 2011 of embezzlement and abuse of public trust — creating fake jobs while mayor of Paris. Received a 2-year suspended sentence, no political ban.

 

Proportionality …. hmmmm, arguably, Le Pen’s case involves a smaller financial scale than Lagarde’s or Chirac’s — yet she received the harshest penalty in terms of political consequences. That raises valid concerns about consistency and timing, especially with an election on the horizon; and we worry about the ominous signs of a two their justice system in the UK.

 

 

Any examples of liberals/leftwing members of this forum sullenly objecting to any of these convictions while claiming  the law is being used to suppress political opposition?

 

 

 

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Its not hard right. Its democracy and freedom loving Americans who feel she got a raw shake. 

 

Its the authoritarians and petty dictators who applaud.

Different judge and jurisdiction lead to a variation of ruling. No point in spreading whataboutism. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. 

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4 hours ago, JonnyF said:

It's not a narrative. It's happening all over Europe. Right wing parties being banned, right wing leaders being jailed etc.

 

They even tried it in the US but fortunately the American electorate saw through it and elected "convicted felon" Trump anyway. Well done America.  

 

Only reason trump wasn't convicted of his primary offences against the Constitution which would have banned him from Office was the utter failure of Republican GOP to stand by their Oath to defend the Constitution;. Absolutely no surprise Trump and Co now stand by Le Pen. Le Pen is also a supporter of Putin as are a number of other European far right party leaders in Europe. Notice how they all sing the same song and also all blame the left for exactly what they' themselves are doing - the well worn diversionary tactic of "look there"!

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3 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

That's not quite right.

Lagarde was convicted because of negligence. Because she did not oppose to an arbitration award causing a loss of 400 mill. 


Is it not what Eloquent Pilgrim wrote? Negligence…

1 minute ago, Nid_Noi said:


Is it not what Eloquent Pilgrim wrote? Negligence…

Only partly unfortunately.

Therefore I started "not quite right" Do you understand?

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27 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Only partly unfortunately.

Therefore I started "not quite right" Do you understand?


What I understand is that you have a poor knowledge of the Adidas-Tapie-Credit Lyonnais affair in which Christine Lagarde was saved by the establishment. Any other person in her place would have been sentenced to jail time.

 Because she was the IMF official and former Minister of Finances her case was brought to the Cour de Justice de la Republique and not to a criminal court. She ordered the arbitration panel to solve the case and Tapie won the settlement against the state through its state owned bank the Credit Lyonnais US$527millions. 
Among these people “negligence” replaces “ dishonesty”.Then the decision of the panel was overturned because one of the panelists had ties with Tapie. How convenient for the court of appeal to overturn the initial decision.

Lagarde knew Mr. Estoup the arbitrator but did not find any reason to dismiss him.

Lagarde is rotten to the core.

4 minutes ago, Nid_Noi said:


What I understand is that you have a poor knowledge of the Adidas-Tapie-Credit Lyonnais affair in which Christine Lagarde was saved by the establishment. Any other person in her place would have been sentenced to jail time.

 Because she was the IMF official and former Minister of Finances her case was brought to the Cour de Justice de la Republique and not to a criminal court. She ordered the arbitration panel to solve the case and Tapie won the settlement against the state through its state owned bank the Credit Lyonnais US$527millions. 
Among these people “negligence” replaces “ dishonesty”.Then the decision of the panel was overturned because one of the panelists had ties with Tapie. How convenient for the court of appeal to overturn the initial decision.

Lagarde knew Mr. Estoup the arbitrator but did not find any reason to dismiss him.

Lagarde is rotten to the core.

If you start this issue you should finish it to the end.

What you write is only the half of the case.

Go back and read about this case.

Can you?

17 minutes ago, Nid_Noi said:


What I understand is that you have a poor knowledge of the Adidas-Tapie-Credit Lyonnais affair in which Christine Lagarde was saved by the establishment. Any other person in her place would have been sentenced to jail time.

 Because she was the IMF official and former Minister of Finances her case was brought to the Cour de Justice de la Republique and not to a criminal court. She ordered the arbitration panel to solve the case and Tapie won the settlement against the state through its state owned bank the Credit Lyonnais US$527millions. 
Among these people “negligence” replaces “ dishonesty”.Then the decision of the panel was overturned because one of the panelists had ties with Tapie. How convenient for the court of appeal to overturn the initial decision.

Lagarde knew Mr. Estoup the arbitrator but did not find any reason to dismiss him.

Lagarde is rotten to the core.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Lagarde

That's the story.

Good day

An off topic post dragging UK into it has been removed

 

Also now a troll / flame post

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11 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Not sure there are too many opponents of the verdict; it was arrived at in a French court of law, the issue that some, like myself have, is the proportionality, or otherwise, of the sentencing.

 

Only every support MlP of which there are a vast amount, as well as more than a few on the opposing sides who see this as undemocratic. To say "there aren't too many opponents of the verdict" is lefty wishful thinking IMO.

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