China warns ,don’t appease trump

[sandyf]

26 minutes ago, SLOWHAND225 said:

 

Bully ? Oh you poor, poor babys have got your feelings hurt. How pathetic.

The US is based on bullying, Trump has just highlighted it at a global level.

Didn't it kick off with the northern states bullying the south.

[Cameroni]

9 minutes ago, thesetat said:

It could also be because they execute to harvest organs and don't want to share those numbers with the world.

 

I think it's more likely the Chinese keep the true number of their numerous executions a state secret because if the true extent of Chinese actual execution numbers were known it would be a major embarassment to the communist party.

 

Why is the Chinese state forced to use such an extraordinarily high number of executions? Somehow I doubt it's because the Chinese are so "law-abiding" as Lacessit has claimed.

 

Crime is rampant in China. I remember talking to an American in Grand Cayman who owned several factories in remote and rural parts of China. He admonished me that if I ever go to these parts to ensure I have bodyguards, saying he always hires bodyguards, because these remote Chinese regions are lawless and full of bandits and travel there is absolutely unsafe.

 

Law-abiding citizens indeed.

[Walker88]

Let's see how POTUS' "economic theory" works....

 

I guess he assumes US workers will begin the work currently being done in sweatshops in Bangladesh, while females in Bangladesh will be ordering Gulfstream 700s. We buy what they make; they buy what we make.

 

Obviously POTUS hasn't a clue how trade deficits develop, nor does he understand the work goals of Americans. Maybe he should listen to comedian Dave Chappelle:

 

"Americans want to wear Nikes, not make them".

 

OTOH, maybe POTUS thinks all the MAGAs on SSDI in States like TN, KY, WV and MS are chomping at the bit to spend 8-10 hours a day putting itsy bitsy little screws into iPhones or screwing in tiny LEDs into strings of Christmas lights. I suppose he could be right there, as such jobs would be challenging intellectually for the typical MAGA.

 

 

[Lacessit]

8 minutes ago, thesetat said:

It could also be because they execute to harvest organs and don't want to share those numbers with the world.

America has the highest prison population in the world. Between 20 and 50% of prisons in some states are privatized.

 

Historically, Big Pharma has run multiple trials of medications and vaccines on prisoners.

 

Perhaps you can connect the dots from there.

[Cameroni]

17 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Do you understand that the biggest car market in the world is China's? 

 

How do you square that with your assessment of the Chinese economy?

Your simplistic use of statistics fails to account for the fact that much of China's population lives in relative poverty. But also that much of its population does not.

 

 

And even so the domestic Chinese market cannot not absorb the entire over production of Chinese cars, which are flooding most of SE Asia, as we can see in Thailand.

 

Of course this was a special case, since most Chinese were still using scooters and bicycles not so long ago, and only recently levelled up to use cars, so there was a huge growth gap. But even so China's domestic market cannot absorb the massive overproduction of cars the Chinese recklessly allow, they are exporting masses of these cars abroad.

[Lacessit]

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I think it's more likely the Chinese keep the true number of their numerous executions a state secret because if the true extent of Chinese actual execution numbers were known it would be a major embarassment to the communist party.

 

Why is the Chinese state forced to use such an extraordinarily high number of executions? Somehow I doubt it's because the Chinese are so "law-abiding" as Lacessit has claimed.

 

Crime is rampant in China. I remember talking to an American in Grand Cayman who owned several factories in remote and rural parts of China. He admonished me that if I ever go to these parts to ensure I have bodyguards, saying he always hires bodyguards, because these remote Chinese regions are lawless and full of bandits and travel there is absolutely unsafe.

 

Law-abiding citizens indeed.

I suggest you take a walk through Harlem, Detroit or the Philadelphia projects before you point the finger at other countries.

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5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

And even so the domestic Chinese market cannot not absorb the entire over production of Chinese cars, which are flooding most of SE Asia, as we can see in Thailand.

 

Of course this was a special case, since most Chinese were still using scooters and bicycles not so long ago, and only recently levelled up to use cars, so there was a huge growth gap. But even so China's domestic market cannot absorb the massive overproduction of cars the Chinese recklessly allow, they are exporting masses of these cars abroad.

You mean like the reckless Japanese? Or the reckless South Koreans? Or the reckless Germans?

[impulse]

11 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Boeing has 760 unfilled aircraft orders. Most are from China, who has now halted deliveries. Each aircraft is about $55 million, making a market loss of $40 billion. You think Boeing will survive that?

 

They have a backlog of thousands of unfilled orders.  If any one customer refuses delivery, someone else on their years long backlog will just get their's earlier.

 

 

[Cameroni]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You mean like the reckless Japanese? Or the reckless South Koreans? Or the reckless Germans?

 

Neither Japan, South Korea or Germany have ever dumped overproduction on their trading partners to the extent that the Chinese have.

 

When it comes to dumping, destroying national industries in trading partners' domestic markets, the Chinese are in a class all by themselves.

[Harrisfan]

Lefty retirement plan - think about Trump 16 hours a day

[jas007]

41 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You may not have noticed Scott's Bessent's remark to the effect that countries don't necessarily have to actually sign a deal. Just indicate that they're willing to do one. And your comment that "Do they seriously think they can threaten the entire Western World?" is particularly clueless. Why can't they? After all, Trump actually has threatened the entire world, East & West.

The fact is, they're talking to the Trump administration and they want to make a deal.  Whether they actually sign one doesn't seem all that important. The intent is there. 

 

As for China's threats to the West? Sure, they can threaten all they want, but that's all they are. Threats.  They can't possibly believe that they'll be taken seriously.  Like I say, the threats are an act of desperation and suggest that China is at the end of its rope if idle threats is all they can come up with. 

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2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Neither Japan, South Korea or Germany have ever dumped overproduction on their trading partners to the extent that the Chinese have.

 

When it comes to dumping, destroying national industries in trading partners' domestic markets, the Chinese are in a class all by themselves.

Really? You have figures on automotive exports vs domestic consumption to confirm that? And now you're calling exports overproduction. It is to laugh.

[SLOWHAND225]

21 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The American public's ability to endure economic pain is on a par with their ability to tolerate military pain. You are pulling out of Ukraine without even having a single pair of boots on the ground.

 

You are ready for it? About as ready as a turkey is for Thanksgiving.

Always follow the money. Ukraine is not our war, potato head and his cronies decided to fund it so they could make money. We're not pulling out of anything, once again America stuck their fingers where they didn't belong but remember, always follow the money.
As far as being ready, nobody ever is but when the mess hits the fan you figure it out. Not that big a deal.

25 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well will I was wondering was who appointed you the spokesperson? And the question you didn't answer remains:

You think that the majority of Americans are willing to endure a lot of economic pain? Is that what Trump campaigned on?

Are you like 2 yrs old ? Sounds like your in the sand box, again, english is really simple for most people. 
I think the Americans that voted for Trump are ready as can be for whats coming.

You're smart enough to understand that, you're just babbling. 

 

[Cameroni]

10 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I suggest you take a walk through Harlem, Detroit or the Philadelphia projects before you point the finger at other countries.

 

I would much rather take my chances walking through the projects in those American cities, than travelling to remote and rural parts of China.

 

At least in Harlem and Detroit the police would actually come. In rural China bandits are the police, they're actually in control. There's a public security vacuum in rural China. Banditry and crime flourishes there to an extent that we in the West cannot even imagine:

 

https://jamestown.org/program/rural-chinas-public-security-vacuum/

[SLOWHAND225]

23 minutes ago, sandyf said:

The US is based on bullying, Trump has just highlighted it at a global level.

Didn't it kick off with the northern states bullying the south.

No, it kicked off with us kicking the snot out of GB

[Lacessit]

7 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

They have a backlog of thousands of unfilled orders.  If any one customer refuses delivery, someone else on their years long backlog will just get their's earlier.

 

 

Kindly post a link to your claim of thousands of unfilled orders.

 

With a 25% tariff on aluminium - you know, the stuff that is 75-80% of an aircraft's structural mass, is Boeing going to be absorbing that cost, or passing it on to customers?

 

Airbus must be chortling over Trump's stupidity. Customers will be switching over to them in droves.

[impulse]

14 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Kindly post a link to your claim of thousands of unfilled orders.

 

With a 25% tariff on aluminium - you know, the stuff that is 75-80% of an aircraft's structural mass, is Boeing going to be absorbing that cost, or passing it on to customers?

 

Airbus must be chortling over Trump's stupidity. Customers will be switching over to them in droves.

 

From investors.boeing.com:

 

Full Year 2023

• Delivered 528 commercial airplanes and recorded 1,576 net orders
• Total company backlog grew to $520 billion, including over 5,600 commercial airplanes

 

For the arithmetic challenged, that means they have a 10+ year backlog.  If someone cancels an order today, they won't feel it for years.  They'll just deliver someone else's order that much sooner.  And by that time, the "trade war" will have settled into a "new normal".

 

As far as Boeing "absorbing it or passing it on to their customers", I predict they'll start buying more stuff from US sources, using US capacity with US labor to get around the tariffs.  And that's the goal.

 

Edit:  And I'd add that anyone who thinks Airbus will be the big winner hasn't been following the C919 and C929 and CXXX.

[Lacessit]

10 minutes ago, jas007 said:

The fact is, they're talking to the Trump administration and they want to make a deal.  Whether they actually sign one doesn't seem all that important. The intent is there. 

 

As for China's threats to the West? Sure, they can threaten all they want, but that's all they are. Threats.  They can't possibly believe that they'll be taken seriously.  Like I say, the threats are an act of desperation and suggest that China is at the end of its rope if idle threats is all they can come up with. 

Trump is making the threats. China is seeking to forge new trade deals with anyone who wants them, including the EU.

 

You are confusing Chinese threats to America with threats to the West. Xi understands Trump is a bully, and the best way to deal with a bully is a hefty smack in the mouth.

 

Please post an example of China threatening a Western country which is not the US.

 

Or there's this:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia–China_relations

 

[sandyf]

14 minutes ago, SLOWHAND225 said:

No, it kicked off with us kicking the snot out of GB

That's a good one.  By "us" you would be referring to the indiginous population.

Funny that Americans would prefer to forget where they came from.

[jas007]

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Trump is making the threats. China is seeking to forge new trade deals with anyone who wants them, including the EU.

 

You are confusing Chinese threats to America with threats to the West. Xi understands Trump is a bully, and the best way to deal with a bully is a hefty smack in the mouth.

 

Please post an example of China threatening a Western country which is not the US.

 

Or there's this:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia–China_relations

 

What do you call this, if not a threat to the Western nations?

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-04-21/china-warns-countries-not-to-cut-deals-with-us-at-its-expense?sref=eo0IIyEe&embedded-checkout=true

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

From investors.boeing.com:

 

Full Year 2023

• Delivered 528 commercial airplanes and recorded 1,576 net orders
• Total company backlog grew to $520 billion, including over 5,600 commercial airplanes

 

For the arithmetic challenged, that means they have a 10+ year backlog.  If someone cancels an order today, they won't feel it for years.  They'll just deliver someone else's order that much sooner.  And by that time, the "trade war" will have settled into a "new normal".

 

As far as Boeing "absorbing it or passing it on to their customers", I predict they'll start buying more stuff from US sources, using US capacity with US labor to get around the tariffs.  And that's the goal.

 

For the chronologically challenged, your data is two years old. When no Trump tariff on aluminium existed. You think customers won't be switching their orders to cheaper Airbus models?

 

US production of aluminium is declining, mainly due to high electricity costs. It was 670,000 tonnes in 2024, compared to imports of 4.9 million tonnes.

 

You really think America can increase domestic aluminium production seven-fold? No need to ask what you are drinking.

[sandyf]

5 minutes ago, jas007 said:

What do you call this, if not a threat to the Western nations?

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-04-21/china-warns-countries-not-to-cut-deals-with-us-at-its-expense?sref=eo0IIyEe&embedded-checkout=true

Not a threat, a warning based on a consideration, which obviously you tried to distort.

[SLOWHAND225]

4 minutes ago, sandyf said:

That's a good one.  By "us" you would be referring to the indiginous population.

Funny that Americans would prefer to forget where they came from.

In typical liberal fashion you talk a bunch of gibberish. Nobody said anything about indigenous people or where Americans came from.

Maybe you could start another thread so you can talk about your problems 

[Lacessit]

7 minutes ago, jas007 said:

What do you call this, if not a threat to the Western nations?

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-04-21/china-warns-countries-not-to-cut-deals-with-us-at-its-expense?sref=eo0IIyEe&embedded-checkout=true

Don't waste my time with articles behind a paywall.

[Lacessit]

31 minutes ago, SLOWHAND225 said:

Always follow the money. Ukraine is not our war, potato head and his cronies decided to fund it so they could make money. We're not pulling out of anything, once again America stuck their fingers where they didn't belong but remember, always follow the money.
As far as being ready, nobody ever is but when the mess hits the fan you figure it out. Not that big a deal.

Are you like 2 yrs old ? Sounds like your in the sand box, again, english is really simple for most people. 
I think the Americans that voted for Trump are ready as can be for whats coming.

You're smart enough to understand that, you're just babbling. 

 

You destroy your credibility when you resort to personal abuse.

 

Yes, English is simple for most people. They use capital letters when appropriate, and know what apostrophes are for. They also know the difference in meaning between your and you're.

[impulse]

16 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

For the chronologically challenged, your data is two years old. When no Trump tariff on aluminium existed. You think customers won't be switching their orders to cheaper Airbus models?

 

US production of aluminium is declining, mainly due to high electricity costs. It was 670,000 tonnes in 2024, compared to imports of 4.9 million tonnes.

 

You really think America can increase domestic aluminium production seven-fold? No need to ask what you are drinking.

 

Sorry I didn't bother to go too far down the rabbit hole.  I figured it was intuitively obvious that a 10 year backlog wouldn't have been cleared after 2 years.  So here's a January, 2025 update.  45 deliveries against a backlog of 6,236 planes.  That's a 138 month backlog.

 

 

Airbus, BTW, has a 29 year backlog.  Make of that what you will...

 

Edit: Oops.  Here's my link:  Airbus and Boeing Report January 2025 Commercial Aircraft Orders and Deliveries - Flight Plan

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41 minutes ago, SLOWHAND225 said:

Always follow the money. Ukraine is not our war, potato head and his cronies decided to fund it so they could make money. We're not pulling out of anything, once again America stuck their fingers where they didn't belong but remember, always follow the money.
As far as being ready, nobody ever is but when the mess hits the fan you figure it out. Not that big a deal.

Are you like 2 yrs old ? Sounds like your in the sand box, again, english is really simple for most people. 
I think the Americans that voted for Trump are ready as can be for whats coming.

You're smart enough to understand that, you're just babbling. 

 

Why would they be ready for a prolonged economic struggle. Trump campaigned on making things better quickly including inflation. Now the US will be facing job losses and higher inflation for a dubious goal?

Since when has the prospect of economic hardship been a vote winner?

 

Republicans are acting like there’s a Blue Wave coming

https://www.natesilver.net/p/republicans-are-acting-like-theres

[SLOWHAND225]

8 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

You destroy your credibility when you resort to personal abuse.

 

Yes, English is simple for most people. They use capital letters when appropriate, and know what apostrophes are for. They also know the difference in meaning between your and you're.

Are you on drugs ? Real question, I'm concerned for you.
Theres no personal attack in my post.  I used verbiage to describe our biggest failure to date, no harm in that at all.

As for english, we're talking comprehension but you knew that. 

[jas007]

29 minutes ago, jas007 said:

What do you call this, if not a threat to the Western nations?

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-04-21/china-warns-countries-not-to-cut-deals-with-us-at-its-expense?sref=eo0IIyEe&embedded-checkout=true

I don't pay Bloomberg a cent and I can look it up, click on that link, and read it just fine.

 

And if you don't want to try that, here's the headline: 

 

China Warns Nations Not to Cut US Trade Deals at Its Expense

 

Or, try this:

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/china-opposes-any-deals-between-us-other-nations-its-expense-2025-04-21/

[SLOWHAND225]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Why would they be ready for a prolonged economic struggle. Trump campaigned on making things better quickly including inflation. Now the US will be facing job losses and higher inflation for a dubious goal?

Since when has the prospect of economic hardship been a vote winner?

 

Republicans are acting like there’s a Blue Wave coming

https://www.natesilver.net/p/republicans-are-acting-like-theres

Why wouldn't they be ?  Anyone with an IQ of 7 would understand whats coming, that to get where we need to be is going to be a struggle. Better than continuing to be bent over the barrel for the whole world to have a turn like its been since the 50's