President Zelensky....Master of the Deal!

[frank83628]

7 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

So not serving the Motherland, and letting your fellow citizens do all the dying.

 

How does one renew a Russian passport when one is evading mobilisation?

Not supposed to discuss other members, part of the forum rules 

[frank83628]

21 minutes ago, Tug said:

Trump should have stepped up to the plate from the beginning instead he did EVERYTHING HE could to throw the brave Ukrainian nation under the bus all stop!🛑 if you can’t see or understand that simple fact you sir are suspect.

Proved my point perfectly

[candide]

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

So your man sharp as a tack Biden(with a history of corruption in Ukraine through family links to Burisma), who opened the chequebook with no plan to end the war, just wasting money hand over fist for years = good and a win.

 

Trump getting some $$ in return for the US's assistance in ending the war and delivering peace  = bad and a loss.

 

Think I understand.

Making up stuff about Joe Biden, as usual....

 

FD-1023 anyone? 🤣

[SMIAI]

Quote

Under the terms of the deal announced on Wednesday, Ukraine and the US will establish a joint Reconstruction Investment Fund.

The fund will be controlled by a company with "equal representation of three Ukrainian and three American board members," the US Treasury Department said in a statement.

The agreement covers 57 types of resources, including oil and gas.

If the US decides to buy the resources, they will be given "first choice to either acquire them or designate the purchaser of our choice," the Treasury Department said.

The new fund "will receive 50 per cent of royalties, license fees, and other similar payments from natural resource projects in Ukraine," according to the US Treasury.

Its profits will be invested exclusively in Ukraine for the first 10 years, after which profits "may be distributed between the partners," Kyiv said.

 

The deal is not yet ratified. Perhaps in a few months.

[Purdey]

Not sure who proved Joe Biden guilty of corruption. 

PolitiFact | Fact-checking Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, and Ukraine

"We found no evidence to support the idea that Joe Biden advocated with his son's interests in mind, as the message suggests. It's not even clear that the company was actively under investigation or that a change in prosecutors benefited it."

[SunnyinBangrak]

21 minutes ago, candide said:

Making up stuff about Joe Biden, as usual....

 

FD-1023 anyone? 🤣

Those dirty 30 million dollars just fell into the web of 28LLCs which magically formed themselves. I know. Happens to all of us Im sure.

 Credibility and virginity my friend. Once you lost it, it's gone.

[candide]

Back to the future!

 

Memorandum of Understanding between the European Union and Ukraine on a Strategic Partnership on Raw Materials I. Introduction / (2021)

 

https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/46300/attachments/1/translations/en/renditions/native&ved=2ahUKEwiY-s64noSNAxUdKvsDHZmxMQ0QFnoECCIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0QvI7LLRgp8TMw3PMhmf-r

[impulse]

So does Zelensky get to keep Crimea and Donbass?

 

I don't think so. 

 

Edit:  More accurately, will he be getting them back?   Because you can't "keep" something you don't have.

 

[simple1]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

Pretty sure if don Jr was on the board of burisma @ 50k a month you'd be asking all sorts of questions, as would the media... instead there is silence

 

Well known trump and Co are corrupt, so it would be no surprise whatever. Recent example with not a squeak from MAGA.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacheverson/2025/04/17/donald-trump-eric-dominari-holdings-advisory-board-3-million-stock/

[candide]

12 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Those dirty 30 million dollars just fell into the web of 28LLCs which magically formed themselves. I know. Happens to all of us Im sure.

 Credibility and virginity my friend. Once you lost it, it's gone.

Good comparison. Same as the FD-1023 allegations by the GOP committee, which was ultimately found to be from a Russian agent. Comer lost all credibility, my friend! It's gone! 🤣

[scorecard]

3 hours ago, Mavideol said:

unfortunately Trump will claiming the credit for something he didn't, anyway, that's not a first and not a last from him

Sure but it reaffirms to me to not believe anything he says.

[Mavideol]

Trump =0  Zelensky = 1.... there you get it, the master of nothing has nothing to show to the world and when somebody challenges him or fact check him he looses control and goes on a rant

 

A Clip Of Donald Trump Getting Angry After Being Fact-Checked Is Going Mega Viral, And It Sums Up His Entire Presidency In A Nutshell

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/clip-donald-trump-getting-angry-154858197.html

[candide]

13 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

Trump =0  Zelensky = 1.... there you get it, the master of nothing has nothing to show to the world and when somebody challenges him or fact check him he looses control and goes on a rant

 

A Clip Of Donald Trump Getting Angry After Being Fact-Checked Is Going Mega Viral, And It Sums Up His Entire Presidency In A Nutshell

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/clip-donald-trump-getting-angry-154858197.html

Trump is lying like a rug, as usual! 

[connda]

"The corrupt mofo I voted for is a saint!"
😠 "No, he's the devil.  The corrupt mofo I voted for is a saint."
"No, he/she/it is the devil."

They are all corrupt.  <laughs>

[Cryingdick]

7 hours ago, BLMFem said:

So you feel the sisterhood?

Funny comment coming from a white, male, senior citizen in its latest online iteration. You go GUrlL!!!!

[Mo Sawadee]

8 hours ago, xylophone said:

So a deal has been struck between the US and Ukraine, and the deal involves minerals (rare earths) and oil in the main, and poor old trump has been outplayed.

 

Initially trump wanted around $350 billion from Ukraine for the "support" that they had already given, but Zelensky wanted a deal which didn't involve payments of large sums, but did involve payment in kind via their vast resources of minerals; this especially after trump's disastrous tariffs on China ensured that they were going to cease rare earth exports to the US, therefore jeopardising many of the vital industries in the US.

 

It's highly likely that Trump's cabal of wealthy industrialists urged him to strike this deal once they knew that the Chinese were not going to supply the rare earths any more, or at least jeopardise any future arrangements they had hoped for.

 

So the US has opted for the very same terms which Zelensky took to the White House those few weeks ago before he was bullied by Trump and Vance, so it's a win for Zelensky and Ukraine.

 

Not only that, it changes the whole scenario because once the US has a vested interest in Ukraine's mineral wealth and invests money to realise it, then any attacks by Russia could be seen as an act of aggression against the US therefore moving the conflict closer to trump versus Putin, with Zelensky watching from the sidelines – – what a master stroke.

 

Very happy for Ukraine and its people and no matter what trump goobers may say, Zelensky has been playing chess whilst trump has been playing checkers, or even tiddlywinks!!!

 

A big win for Ukraine and President Zelensky!

Big win… he went from paying nothing to providing something. 😂 The previous Administration was incompetent! It’s an improvement for the American people. 

[NickyLouie]

20 hours ago, BLMFem said:

Is that the smell of okroshka?

 

why is u be trying acting all high yellow ?

 

 

 

 

[BLMFem]

3 hours ago, NickyLouie said:

 

why is u be trying acting all high yellow ?

You really shouldn't be posting when so deep into the bottle of cheap vodka.

[Thingamabob]

On 5/2/2025 at 11:08 AM, xylophone said:

So a deal has been struck between the US and Ukraine, and the deal involves minerals (rare earths) and oil in the main, and poor old trump has been outplayed.

 

Initially trump wanted around $350 billion from Ukraine for the "support" that they had already given, but Zelensky wanted a deal which didn't involve payments of large sums, but did involve payment in kind via their vast resources of minerals; this especially after trump's disastrous tariffs on China ensured that they were going to cease rare earth exports to the US, therefore jeopardising many of the vital industries in the US.

 

It's highly likely that Trump's cabal of wealthy industrialists urged him to strike this deal once they knew that the Chinese were not going to supply the rare earths any more, or at least jeopardise any future arrangements they had hoped for.

 

So the US has opted for the very same terms which Zelensky took to the White House those few weeks ago before he was bullied by Trump and Vance, so it's a win for Zelensky and Ukraine.

 

Not only that, it changes the whole scenario because once the US has a vested interest in Ukraine's mineral wealth and invests money to realise it, then any attacks by Russia could be seen as an act of aggression against the US therefore moving the conflict closer to trump versus Putin, with Zelensky watching from the sidelines – – what a master stroke.

 

Very happy for Ukraine and its people and no matter what trump goobers may say, Zelensky has been playing chess whilst trump has been playing checkers, or even tiddlywinks!!!

 

A big win for Ukraine and President Zelensky!

Ridiculous.

[ElwoodP]

@spidermike007

No racist posts please, skin colour is irrelevant.

[hotsun]

On 5/1/2025 at 9:08 PM, xylophone said:

So a deal has been struck between the US and Ukraine, and the deal involves minerals (rare earths) and oil in the main, and poor old trump has been outplayed.

 

Initially trump wanted around $350 billion from Ukraine for the "support" that they had already given, but Zelensky wanted a deal which didn't involve payments of large sums, but did involve payment in kind via their vast resources of minerals; this especially after trump's disastrous tariffs on China ensured that they were going to cease rare earth exports to the US, therefore jeopardising many of the vital industries in the US.

 

It's highly likely that Trump's cabal of wealthy industrialists urged him to strike this deal once they knew that the Chinese were not going to supply the rare earths any more, or at least jeopardise any future arrangements they had hoped for.

 

So the US has opted for the very same terms which Zelensky took to the White House those few weeks ago before he was bullied by Trump and Vance, so it's a win for Zelensky and Ukraine.

 

Not only that, it changes the whole scenario because once the US has a vested interest in Ukraine's mineral wealth and invests money to realise it, then any attacks by Russia could be seen as an act of aggression against the US therefore moving the conflict closer to trump versus Putin, with Zelensky watching from the sidelines – – what a master stroke.

 

Very happy for Ukraine and its people and no matter what trump goobers may say, Zelensky has been playing chess whilst trump has been playing checkers, or even tiddlywinks!!!

 

A big win for Ukraine and President Zelensky!

Why are you pro israel but left leaning on everything else?

[Woke to Sounds]

My buddy said that Zels is a crack comedian / TV actor.

 

I wondered how that factored into things.

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 5/2/2025 at 11:22 AM, SunnyinBangrak said:

Trump getting some $$ in return for the US's assistance in ending the war and delivering peace  = bad and a loss.

 

Think I understand.

What $$ do you think the US is getting from this deal? This is a deal whereby both the US and Ukraine will be involved in a Ukraine Reconstruction Investment Fund. There is the prospect of the US getting some kind of return eventually, but not for at least a decade (and only if the fund actually makes a profit).

 

As mentioned in the article below: 

 

Quote

For the first decade of the so-called “reconstruction investment fund” for Ukraine, all profits from the country’s critical minerals, oil and gas will be reinvested there.

 

Trump minerals deal blames Putin for invasion

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20250502114816/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/05/01/trump-minerals-deal-ukraine-blames-russia-invasion-zelensky/

 

There will be no direct payments from the Ukrainian government to the US as part of this deal. 

 

Quote

“The agreement includes no provisions regarding any Ukrainian debt obligations to the United States.”

 

[xylophone]

1 hour ago, hotsun said:

Why are you pro israel but left leaning on everything else?

Wrong again!!

[Cameroni]

I bet the Germans, British and French wish they'd get a few billion back from the many billions of taxpayer money they squandered on Ukraine for nothing.

 

At least Trump is making sure the US is getting some of the money back.

 

Another win.

[GroveHillWanderer]

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

I bet the Germans, British and French wish they'd get a few billion back from the many billions of taxpayer money they squandered on Ukraine for nothing.

 

At least Trump is making sure the US is getting some of the money back.

 

Another win.

 

As previously mentioned, this deal does not provide any absolute guarantee that the US will get any money back, and certainly not in the short term.

 

It's only if the fund set up by this deal is still making money after ten years, that the US has the possibility to get some money out of it. And while that's certainly possible, there is no concrete assurance there will be profits a decade from now.

 

Anyway, even if the US does get something back, it won't be during Trump's term in office - unless he's still in office in 2035, that is.

[Cameroni]

2 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

 

As previously mentioned, this deal does not provide any absolute guarantee that the US will get any money back, and certainly not in the short term.

 

It's only if the fund set up by this deal is still making money after ten years, that the US has the possibility to get some money out of it. And while that's certainly possible, there is no concrete assurance there will be profits a decade from now.

 

Anyway, even if the US does get something back, it won't be during Trump's term in office - unless he's still in office in 2035, that is.

 

Gavin Mudd, the director of the Critical Minerals Intelligence Centre at the British Geological Survey, told the non-profit Science Media Center that the production of some minerals – such as titanium, lithium or graphite – could be achieved quickly, if the regions where the deposits are are secure.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/01/world/what-we-know-about-trumps-ukraine-mineral-deal-intl

 

 

[HighPriority]

34 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Gavin Mudd, the director of the Critical Minerals Intelligence Centre at the British Geological Survey, told the non-profit Science Media Center that the production of some minerals – such as titanium, lithium or graphite – could be achieved quickly, if the regions where the deposits are are secure.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/01/world/what-we-know-about-trumps-ukraine-mineral-deal-intl

 

 

I guess they’d be secure if your other hero stopped his invasion and went home. 

[worgeordie]

Trump the art of the steal ,wonder how all his supporters that bought

his meme coin are feeling now ,or bought shares in truth social , then

to get scammed by his wife as well ,

 

So is Trump going to send Americans to dig the rare earths, I hope

Putin does not fire any missiles in the direction of where people are

digging Trumps rare earths  could cause WW3.

 

Those Trump gold cards @ 500,000 dollars a pop ,for rich oligarchs,

does Trump get to keep all the money ,if not why is his face on the

cards 

 

regards wrgeordie 

[SunnyinBangrak]

32 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

Trump the art of the steal ,wonder how all his supporters that bought

his meme coin are feeling now ,or bought shares in truth social , then

to get scammed by his wife as well ,

 

So is Trump going to send Americans to dig the rare earths, I hope

Putin does not fire any missiles in the direction of where people are

digging Trumps rare earths  could cause WW3.

 

Those Trump gold cards @ 500,000 dollars a pop ,for rich oligarchs,

does Trump get to keep all the money ,if not why is his face on the

cards 

 

regards wrgeordie 

If he ever starts crafting US foreign policy against American interests just to enrich himself and his family like your hero then please wake us up.