Today, on both May 8th and May 9th depending on the region, we reflect and mourn the losses caused by the German Nazis who attempted to establish a Third Reich in Europe and beyond.
Prayer for those lost, killed, injured, and traumatized by those who sought to conquer the world eighty years ago.
As always in war in the past, and war in the future - civilians bear the brunt force of wars.

As a US Anti-war Veteran - I call for an end to all war.  If we don't end war soon, as Einstein so aptly pointed out, "World War 4 will be fought with rocks and sticks."

✝️☦️✡️🙏🙏🙏

It was a necessary war against evil.

Today we also have a necessary war against the evil of Putin.

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It was a necessary war against evil.

Today we also have a necessary war against the evil of Putin.

 

  Would you support Donald Trump if he declared war on Russia ?

8 minutes ago, connda said:

Today, on both May 8th and May 9th depending on the region, we reflect and mourn the losses caused by the German Nazis who attempted to establish a Third Reich in Europe and beyond.
Prayer for those lost, killed, injured, and traumatized by those who sought to conquer the world eighty years ago.
As always in war in the past, and war in the future - civilians bear the brunt force of wars.

As a US Anti-war Veteran - I call for an end to all war.  If we don't end war soon, as Einstein so aptly pointed out, "World War 4 will be fought with rocks and sticks."

✝️☦️✡️🙏🙏🙏

 

Interesting to see the vast number of UK MIAs versus the extremely low number of US MIAs. Asked Grok about it and Grok said the US had a better centralized system of record keeping and many of the UK MIAs were later found to be POWs. Other factors too, but the UK MIAs almost equal the KIAs.

Let's hope the parade in Moskou today is not disturbed by terrorists.

8 minutes ago, FlorC said:

Let's hope the parade in Moskou today is not disturbed by terrorists.

Ukraine.doean't target civilians like Putin does. They also wouldn't threaten Xi. If something happens probably a false flag. A Putin specialty.

Happy victory day.

 

36 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It was a necessary war against evil.

Today we also have a necessary war against the evil of Putin.

But Stalin was our ally...and with 21 million Russian deaths I think they deserve a lot of credit...in fact, they were Britain's only ally, you yanks always arrive late to the party

U.S. votes against anti-Nazi resolution at U.N.

The resolution entitled "Combating glorification of Nazism, Neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fueling contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance," was approved by the U.N.'s human rights committee on Friday with 131 in favor, 3 against with 48 abstentions. 

Ukraine and Palau were the other no votes.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-votes-against-anti-nazi-resolution-at-united-nations/

 

Gewinnend!

11 minutes ago, baansgr said:

But Stalin was our ally...and with 21 million Russian deaths I think they deserve a lot of credit...in fact, they were Britain's only ally, you yanks always arrive late to the party

The Russians were also the ally of Germany and they also invaded Poland, Latvia and Lithuania among other countries.

 

Without Lease-Lend from the USA and from the UK through the Arctic convoys and the Middle East through Persia the Russians may well have surrendered to Germany.

 

 

16 minutes ago, baansgr said:

But Stalin was our ally...and with 21 million Russian deaths I think they deserve a lot of credit...in fact, they were Britain's only ally, you yanks always arrive late to the party

Inconvenient facts.

 

The Soviéts  were originally allied with Hitler

 

The USA land lease program.

 

All the allies deserve credit for defeating Hitler. 

Though the war would drag on for a few more months due to Japan's inability to wrap their minds around the fact that they had already lost the war, this is an incredibly significant day for Europe and marks the end of a long and gruesome war. Those fatality statistics are truly horrific, and what's even more horrific is the fact that so many Russians died at the hands of Stalin, not just the Germans. 

Here is trump's take; he's really got the knack for insulting nations:

 

nobody was close to us in terms of strength, bravery, or military brilliance, 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/donald-trump-congress-london-cities-russia-b2746741.html

 

 

24 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

Happy victory day.

 

None of the soldiers there were actually Russians.

Also don't forget the rapes.

2 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Though the war would drag on for a few more months due to Japan's inability to wrap their minds around the fact that they had already lost the war, this is an incredibly significant day for Europe and marks the end of a long and gruesome war. Those fatality statistics are truly horrific, and what's even more horrific is the fact that so many Russians died at the hands of Stalin, not just the Germans. 

Very true.

Stalin was a monster.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Ukraine.doean't target civilians like Putin does. They also wouldn't threaten Xi. If something happens probably a false flag. A Putin specialty.

 

 

Maybe he meant Putin organising a mass macarama, thereby disturbing all the old boys. Or Putin and Kim Jong Un having a snog, with tongues.

 

Can't we have even one topic that doesn't descend into 'reductio ad trump'?

 

WW2 by the numbers...an oldie but goodie:

 

 

1 hour ago, baansgr said:

But Stalin was our ally...and with 21 million Russian deaths I think they deserve a lot of credit...in fact, they were Britain's only ally, you yanks always arrive late to the party

 

Stalin's mob never gives credit to the British hardware that kept the USSR in the fight after Stalin had killed most of his generals.

 

Your statement deliberately ignores our allies in Australia, Canada, New Zealand and elsewhere, in order to give a pro-Soviet Russia spin to the war.

 

Stalin enabled Germany's invasion of Poland, France and other countries, and enabled Nazi bombing of Britain.

 

In 1939, the USSR and Germany signed a trade agreement that resulted in the USSR exporting massive amounts of raw material that Germany turned into tanks, planes, guns and bombs that were used to kill Londoners. And supplied the oil to power the tanks that Blitzkrieged into France. Stalin enabled Hitler to start WW2. The Soviet exports to Germany became supercharged once the UK declared war. Stalin even allowed the Germans to build a U-boat base near Murmansk that enabled Germany to evade any blockade the British might have tried in repetition of WW1.

 

It was America and Britain that essentially stopped Germany taking Moscow, and Stalin becoming but a footnote.

 

Russia takes credit.  Less than half of Soviet losses were from the Russian SSR. A large number of the military losses were down to military incompetance thanks to the purges in the 1930s. I don't give them a pat on the back for being idiots.

 

 

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Would you support Donald Trump if he declared war on Russia ?

 

 

I guess the feeling would be similar to when Stalin saw the light. It doesn't mean Churchill became an ardent Stalinist. And he lacks the gumption to take such a decision himself. It will be down to some men in green laying down the facts to a startled old and obese man that Putin is not his friend.

1 hour ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

A smart monster.

 

2020

 

 

 

 

He was stupid. Stalin wondered in 1940-41 why Germany wasn't delivering on its side of the trade deal, little realising that Germany was using Soviet raw material to equip an army to invade his country.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Very true.

Stalin was a monster.

 

The Soviet deaths include 1 million shot by their own side, and 1 million perishing in the GULAG. And remember, Soviet deaths, not Russian deaths.

3 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

 

I guess the feeling would be similar to when Stalin saw the light. It doesn't mean Churchill became an ardent Stalinist. And he lacks the gumption to take such a decision himself. It will be down to some men in green laying down the facts to a startled old and obese man that Putin is not his friend.

 

   Who are those "men in green" that make all the decisions ?

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Inconvenient facts.

 

The Soviéts  were originally allied with Hitler

 

The USA land lease program.

 

All the allies deserve credit for defeating Hitler. 

 

 

The aircraft carrier known as the United Kingdom made it possible.

17 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

Stalin's mob never gives credit to the British hardware that kept the USSR in the fight after Stalin had killed most of his generals.

 

Your statement deliberately ignores our allies in Australia, Canada, New Zealand and elsewhere, in order to give a pro-Soviet Russia spin to the war.

 

Stalin enabled Germany's invasion of Poland, France and other countries, and enabled Nazi bombing of Britain.

 

In 1939, the USSR and Germany signed a trade agreement that resulted in the USSR exporting massive amounts of raw material that Germany turned into tanks, planes, guns and bombs that were used to kill Londoners. And supplied the oil to power the tanks that Blitzkrieged into France. Stalin enabled Hitler to start WW2. The Soviet exports to Germany became supercharged once the UK declared war. Stalin even allowed the Germans to build a U-boat base near Murmansk that enabled Germany to evade any blockade the British might have tried in repetition of WW1.

 

It was America and Britain that essentially stopped Germany taking Moscow, and Stalin becoming but a footnote.

 

Russia takes credit.  Less than half of Soviet losses were from the Russian SSR. A large number of the military losses were down to military incompetance thanks to the purges in the 1930s. I don't give them a pat on the back for being idiots.

 

 

Australia, Canada, New Zealand were not our allies...they were all still British Subjects

1 hour ago, MicroB said:

 

The Soviet deaths include 1 million shot by their own side, and 1 million perishing in the GULAG. And remember, Soviet deaths, not Russian deaths.

Yes Soviets.

2 hours ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

A smart monster.

 

2020

 

 

"I used to think that democracy is the rule of the people. But Comrade Roosevelt explained to me that democracy is the rule of the American people" (Joseph Stalin)

5 hours ago, baansgr said:

But Stalin was our ally...and with 21 million Russian deaths I think they deserve a lot of credit...in fact, they were Britain's only ally, you yanks always arrive late to the party

Without the Yanks you would not be having this party. 

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

It was a necessary war against evil.

Today we also have a necessary war against the evil of Putin.

 Well, on this one I agree. Putler is a menace and a threat to the world, who hails from the KGB under Soviet dictators, and who has overseen the murder and organised killings of so many millions in the name of control and suppression reasons... only coming second to the crimes against humanity that were committed by Mao and the CCP... who both continue to wreak havok on their respective societies. 

You only have to look back into the real history of these two countries to see just how many millions they have indifferently sent to their deaths for political reasons... makes the Nazis look like boy-scouts.

6 hours ago, connda said:

Today, on both May 8th and May 9th depending on the region, we reflect and mourn the losses caused by the German Nazis who attempted to establish a Third Reich in Europe and beyond.
Prayer for those lost, killed, injured, and traumatized by those who sought to conquer the world eighty years ago.
As always in war in the past, and war in the future - civilians bear the brunt force of wars.

As a US Anti-war Veteran - I call for an end to all war.  If we don't end war soon, as Einstein so aptly pointed out, "World War 4 will be fought with rocks and sticks."

✝️☦️✡️🙏🙏🙏

 

Quite the confusing table you posted there, following your comment.

 

Really, Germany caused millions of civilian deaths in China ??!

 

Also quite missing, where are the millions of people the USA killed; are they not worth even a mention??

6 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

  Would you support Donald Trump if he declared war on Russia ?

 

The USA is not known to follow international law and declare their wars, not since 1945. They are standing above all laws and rules, has nobody told you?

 

This is why the USA can simultaneously have a president invoking war time emergency powers to deport invaders and strike other nations pre-emptively with economic sanctions (tariffs), while at the same time not being in a state of war.

 

It is grotesque, to use a nice word. Maybe Americans should reflect on that, instead of being moral apostles on a high horse.