Palestine , Who (you) Should Help Them ...

[Patong2021]

7 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

The whole Israel thing started because they wanted to move the Jews out of Europe.

 

No. The Israelites have lived in Israel  since the beginning of recorded history. Repeated expansionism and colonialism by arabs, asians, north africans and europeans, resulted in regular displacements of the israelites from their homeland. Perhaps, if humans were not so greedy and violent, things would be different.

[frank83628]

10 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   That isn't the topic of the thread though, is it 

A thread about Palestine automatically becomes a thread about both, as is clear from the 1St page of comments

[JAG]

14 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

The whole Israel thing started because they wanted to move the Jews out of Europe.

The remaining Jews in Europe wanted to move out of Europe after the 2nd World War, because an awful lot of Europe had been enthusiastically slaughtering them.

 

The whole Israel thing was around in the near east 2500+ years ago.

 

The whole Christian thing was around in the near east starting 2000 years ago - it came from the Jews.

 

The whole Islam thing followed some 1700 years ago.

[simple1]

16 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   As Hamas take the food, its a legitimate act of war .

Its not a war crime for Israel not to feed Hamas 

 

Blocking aid is an Israeli tactic for Hamas to release hostages. It's collective punishment for Palestinians, therefore War Crime.

 

Israel blocks entry of all humanitarian aid into Gaza

[fredwiggy]

16 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Correct. Lebanese seem to figure prominently in criminal activity in OZ.

 

Why the authorities continue to tolerate them, instead of sending them back to a Beirut slum, is a mystery to me.

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Australian Institute of Criminology
Table 1: VICTORIA 1993
−94: Number of Alleged Offenders Processed by Country of Birth, and
Percentage of All Alleged Offenders from Each Country of Birth Processed for Violent, Property,
Drug and Other Offences
Percentage
Country of Birth 1996
Population
Number
Processed Violent Property Drug Other Total
Australia 3,215,744 99,511 12.7 59.6 10.8 17.0 100.0
Cambodia 8,258 266 9.8 74.4 4.5 11.3 100.0
Chile 6,802 149 12.1 64.4 11.4 12.1 100.0
China 28,149 241 16.6 63.9 1.2 18.3 100.0
Fiji 6,003 173 17.9 68.2 4.0 9.8 100.0
Germany 30,360 340 8.5 67.9 10.0 13.5 100.0
Greece 61,808 1,016 13.9 59.3 11.4 15.5 100.0
Hungary 7,666 123 16.3 65.9 5.7 12.2 100.0
India 24,336 257 13.2 73.2 4.7 8.9 100.0
Ireland 12,105 238 23.5 51.7 7.1 17.6 100.0
Italy 99,172 1,151 14.0 56.6 14.4 14.9 100.0
Lebanon 13,991 664 19.9 52.3 13.0 14.9 100.0
Malaysia 23,120 214 5.6 82.2 2.8 9.3 100.0
Malta 24,306 277 23.5 49.1 12.6 14.8 100.0
Netherlands 26,201 210 19.0 57.6 9.5 13.8 100.0
New Zealand 42,785 2,297 14.5 63.6 8.6 13.4 100.0
Philippines 20,150 293 19.1 72.7 1.0 7.2 100.0
Poland 23,084 337 16.3 65.0 3.9 14.8 100.0
Romania 4,812 346 7.2 73.7 11.3 7.8 100.0
Russian Federation 5,660 271 8.5 74.5 4.1 12.9 100.0
Sri Lanka 23,581 355 6.8 82.0 2.5 8.7 100.0
Turkey 14,800 570 17.0 45.1 19.1 18.8 100.0
United Kingdom 219,191 2,968 11.5 66.7 11.1 10.7 100.0
USA 10,438 163 10.4 62.6 9.8 17.2 100.0
Vietnam 55,157 2,220 17.8 60.0 10.0 12.1 100.0
Former Yugoslavia 19,795 1,380 16.2 59.7 8.8 15.3 100.0
Other countries 386,829 2,449 16.1 62.9 7.7 13.3 100.0
Unspecified  14,877     
Total 4,414,303 133,356 13.5 59.1 10.5 17.0 100... From this it appears Australians are the highest offenders. It is dated but I'm thinking it's pretty much the same stats now.

[fredwiggy]

17 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

It is a bit of a stupid question.

If America was attacked I know the UK would not want to take in the Americans either.

Show me that poll. If America was attacked, they would quickly exterminate those that tried.

[Lacessit]

15 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

3
Australian Institute of Criminology
Table 1: VICTORIA 1993
−94: Number of Alleged Offenders Processed by Country of Birth, and
Percentage of All Alleged Offenders from Each Country of Birth Processed for Violent, Property,
Drug and Other Offences
Percentage
Country of Birth 1996
Population
Number
Processed Violent Property Drug Other Total
Australia 3,215,744 99,511 12.7 59.6 10.8 17.0 100.0
Cambodia 8,258 266 9.8 74.4 4.5 11.3 100.0
Chile 6,802 149 12.1 64.4 11.4 12.1 100.0
China 28,149 241 16.6 63.9 1.2 18.3 100.0
Fiji 6,003 173 17.9 68.2 4.0 9.8 100.0
Germany 30,360 340 8.5 67.9 10.0 13.5 100.0
Greece 61,808 1,016 13.9 59.3 11.4 15.5 100.0
Hungary 7,666 123 16.3 65.9 5.7 12.2 100.0
India 24,336 257 13.2 73.2 4.7 8.9 100.0
Ireland 12,105 238 23.5 51.7 7.1 17.6 100.0
Italy 99,172 1,151 14.0 56.6 14.4 14.9 100.0
Lebanon 13,991 664 19.9 52.3 13.0 14.9 100.0
Malaysia 23,120 214 5.6 82.2 2.8 9.3 100.0
Malta 24,306 277 23.5 49.1 12.6 14.8 100.0
Netherlands 26,201 210 19.0 57.6 9.5 13.8 100.0
New Zealand 42,785 2,297 14.5 63.6 8.6 13.4 100.0
Philippines 20,150 293 19.1 72.7 1.0 7.2 100.0
Poland 23,084 337 16.3 65.0 3.9 14.8 100.0
Romania 4,812 346 7.2 73.7 11.3 7.8 100.0
Russian Federation 5,660 271 8.5 74.5 4.1 12.9 100.0
Sri Lanka 23,581 355 6.8 82.0 2.5 8.7 100.0
Turkey 14,800 570 17.0 45.1 19.1 18.8 100.0
United Kingdom 219,191 2,968 11.5 66.7 11.1 10.7 100.0
USA 10,438 163 10.4 62.6 9.8 17.2 100.0
Vietnam 55,157 2,220 17.8 60.0 10.0 12.1 100.0
Former Yugoslavia 19,795 1,380 16.2 59.7 8.8 15.3 100.0
Other countries 386,829 2,449 16.1 62.9 7.7 13.3 100.0
Unspecified  14,877     
Total 4,414,303 133,356 13.5 59.1 10.5 17.0 100... From this it appears Australians are the highest offenders. It is dated but I'm thinking it's pretty much the same stats now.

I can't be bothered analysing figures packed together like a sardine can, if you can't be bothered presenting them in a coherent fashion.

 

"Australian" does not segregate white Australians from Aboriginals. Spend a day or two in Fitzroy Crossing, Bourke or Wilcannia to understand where I am coming from.

 

Yes, 22 yo figures are dated.

 

 

[fredwiggy]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I can't be bothered analysing figures packed together like a sardine can, if you can't be bothered presenting them in a coherent fashion.

 

"Australian" does not segregate white Australians from Aboriginals. Spend a day or two in Fitzroy Crossing, Bourke or Wilcannia to understand where I am coming from.

 

Yes, 22 yo figures are dated.

 

 

All you have to do is look at the individual columns and stats. They're in order.........Processed- Violent- Property- Drug- Other- Total. Quite easy to read, especially seeing it's the first column that matters most. It was just listed so would see that Australians themselves are responsible for most crimes in Australia. There are quite a few links if you needed more evidence. A person can spend a day anywhere and not see any crimes, or be there 5 minutes and see one. Remember how many crimes were committed by Australians against Aborigines.

[billd766]

16 hours ago, riclag said:

I watched to entire video ,

its very informative!

But the guy left out Hamas Government in Gaza!

 

Hamas had secretly planned and coordinated since their beginnings in the Gaza strip to make war 

 

“Since Hamas’s violent takeover of Gaza in 2007, the bustling and beautiful streets I knew have been dominated by terrorist chaos”. 
 

https://time.com/6693896/hamas-tunnels-gaza-home-ruin/#

Tunnel rats like the Vietcong! 

 

 

 

The Vietcong and the Palestinians were/are fighting for a country of their own. Why are the Israeli's fighting? They have their own country, carved out of Palestine. but the Israeli's want more and more lebensraum and don't care how they get it, or who they kill to get it.

[ChicagoExpat]

17 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

Given Israel total blockade of Gaza (A War Crime) how would it be possible?. However, I would assume the only children who would be available for adoption are war orphans who one would think would mainly be adopted by Christian organisations in Western countries. Are you against Christian humanitarian activities?

 

[ChicagoExpat]

2 minutes ago, billd766 said:

The Vietcong and the Palestinians were/are fighting for a country of their own. Why are the Israeli's fighting? They have their own country, carved out of Palestine. but the Israeli's want more and more lebensraum and don't care how they get it, or who they kill to get it.

You're REALLY unaware of why Israelis are fighting?  Because so many of your beloved Palestinians are bloodthirsty terrorists.  Here's a cookie -- run along now with your "lebensraum" claims and be clever somewhere else.

[hotsun]

8 minutes ago, billd766 said:

The Vietcong and the Palestinians were/are fighting for a country of their own. Why are the Israeli's fighting? They have their own country, carved out of Palestine. but the Israeli's want more and more lebensraum and don't care how they get it, or who they kill to get it.

You really cant think beyond what journalists tell you to think

[ChicagoExpat]

2 hours ago, JAG said:

The remaining Jews in Europe wanted to move out of Europe after the 2nd World War, because an awful lot of Europe had been enthusiastically slaughtering them.

 

The whole Israel thing was around in the near east 2500+ years ago.

 

The whole Christian thing was around in the near east starting 2000 years ago - it came from the Jews.

 

The whole Islam thing followed some 1700 years ago.

Dates are a bit off (Europeans slaughtering Jews back into the Middle Ages, Jews in Israel at least 3000 years ago, Islam arrived 1300 years ago through conquest) but your point is well taken.

[MalcolmB]

31 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Show me that poll. If America was attacked, they would quickly exterminate those that tried.

You guys couldn’t even beat small countries like Vietnam or Afghanistan.

You would really struggle to win against a first world country. 

[billd766]

8 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

You're REALLY unaware of why Israelis are fighting?  Because so many of your beloved Palestinians are bloodthirsty terrorists.  Here's a cookie -- run along now with your "lebensraum" claims and be clever somewhere else.

Please explain how so many innocent men and women, children and babies are considered as terrorists, and by which countries?

[ChicagoExpat]

Just now, billd766 said:

Please explain how so many innocent men and women, children and babies are considered as terrorists, and by which countries?

I don't need to, as that wasn't what I claimed.

[MalcolmB]

2 hours ago, JAG said:

The remaining Jews in Europe wanted to move out of Europe after the 2nd World War, because an awful lot of Europe had been enthusiastically slaughtering them.

So they moved to a Middle East venue where an awful lot of them want to enthusiastically want to slaughter them. 
Probably best to find an island for them.

[ChicagoExpat]

3 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

You guys couldn’t even beat small countries like Vietnam or Afghanistan.

You would really struggle to win against a first world country. 

Whatever MalcolmB posts, if he can give vent to his hatred of Americans, he will.

[fredwiggy]

2 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

You guys couldn’t even beat small countries like Vietnam or Afghanistan.

You would really struggle to win against a first world country. 

Check your history books, it might give you a better understanding of what happened and why. Of course we would struggle, as other large countries also have a large military, but not near as advanced as ours. 58,000 Americans died in Vietnam and over 1,100,000 Vietnamese army and Viet Cong. 2 million civilians caught in the crossfire. Very unbalanced and we pulled out because we shouldn't have gone there in the first place, as history proved. We also withdrew in Afghanistan, after killing many Taliban, a huge percentage against US fighters lost.

[ChicagoExpat]

17 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

It is a bit of a stupid question.

If America was attacked I know the UK would not want to take in the Americans either.

Makes me sad we took in British kids during WW2.  Especially if one of them was Malcolm's parent.

[ChicagoExpat]

Just now, fredwiggy said:

Check your history books, it might give you a better understanding of what happened and why. Of course we would struggle, as other large countries also have a large military, but not near as advanced as ours. 58,000 Americans died in Vietnam and over 1,100,000 Vietnamese army and Viet Cong. 2 million civilians caught in the crossfire. Very unbalanced and we pulled out because we shouldn't have gone there in the first place, as history proved. We also withdrew in Afghanistan, after killing many Taliban, a huge percentage against US fighters lost.

And this coming from the country that got its ass kicked out of country after country, and today has a military smaller than the Rhode Island National Guard.

[hotsun]

8 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Please explain how so many innocent men and women, children and babies are considered as terrorists, and by which countries?

Completely unable to think for yourself. Consumed by media

[fredwiggy]

7 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Whatever MalcolmB posts, if he can give vent to his hatred of Americans, he will.

And I don't understand why. There are hundreds of thousands of UK citizens living in the US for many reasons. One half of my own family is from Ireland. I suppose some are still fighting  England's loss in the Revolutionary War, the same way some are still prejudiced against Germans because of the disturbed Nazis. Every country can help and rely on all others for many reasons, and this prejudiced thinking is why there are so many innocents killed in wars.

[newbee2022]

17 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   No, its not a war crime .

Taking hostages is a war crime though

International courts call the war crime different !

[Hanaguma]

7 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

So they moved to a Middle East venue where an awful lot of them want to enthusiastically want to slaughter them. 
Probably best to find an island for them.

I think you meant to say, "a Middle East venue where they came from originally, and had lived continuously for millenia". 

 

I agree though, find an island for the Gazans may be a good idea.  

[fredwiggy]

8 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

So they moved to a Middle East venue where an awful lot of them want to enthusiastically want to slaughter them. 
Probably best to find an island for them.

What have you got against Jews? They belong anywhere they want to live. Only the most disturbed thinkers want to slaughter another race.

[ChicagoExpat]

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

And I don't understand why. There are hundreds of thousands of UK citizens living in the US for many reasons. One half of my own family is from Ireland. I suppose some are still fighting  England's loss in the Revolutionary War, the same way some are still prejudiced against Germans because of the disturbed Nazis. Every country can help and rely on all others for many reasons, and this prejudiced thinking is why there are so many innocents killed in wars.

Yeah, it's weird.  Especially because the UK has benefited so enormously from the U.S. in the past 100 years.  Oh well, Thailand attracts a lot of bitter, angry old men who like to blame their lack of success in life on others (and most of them are on AseanNow 😁).  I'm not saying Malcolm is one of these guys, but I'm not saying he's not, either.

[MalcolmB]

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Check your history books, it might give you a better understanding of what happened and why.

thanks Fred, I just checked my history books.

You went into Vietnam to fight “communism” 

Vietnam is still communist.

 

You went into to Afghanistan to fight Osama Bin Laden, who was a Saudi hiding out in Pakistan. But Saudi was too powerful with their oil and Pakistan has nukes, so Afghanistan it was.

 

You went into Iraq for imagined Weapons of Mass Destruction that you imagined.

 

Now you want to go into Greenland and Panama. 

[MalcolmB]

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

What have you got against Jews? They belong anywhere they want to live. Only the most disturbed thinkers want to slaughter another race.

It is not me Fred.

It was the Germans and now Arabs. 
And quite a few others as well. 
 

 

[hotsun]

6 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Yeah, it's weird.  Especially because the UK has benefited so enormously from the U.S. in the past 100 years.  Oh well, Thailand attracts a lot of bitter, angry old men who like to blame their lack of success in life on others (and most of them are on AseanNow 😁).  I'm not saying Malcolm is one of these guys, but I'm not saying he's not, either.

He is. A complete loser