Just another lefty hater.  Good riddance.

8 minutes ago, kimothai said:

Just another lefty hater.  Good riddance.

 

That's harsh. He was seduced into supporting the Me Too movement by that liar Argento. Before her e never was into it.

 

But even so, whether he was right or left, he was still a man. A man who was hounded to his death by a cheating woman.

There are different ways of handling the woman you love cheating on you and breaking up with you. Taking your own life because of that seems a bit excessive.

Blaming Bourdain’s suicide solely on this woman and calling her a total skank (among other things) says more about the OP than her. The word misogyny comes to mind.

13 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Obsessed. Not normal.

If anyone knows Cameroni in person can they reach out? Not joking, it genuinely sounds like the ramblings of an incel. So much hatred and vitriol, constantly, over and over again, for a case they know nothing about, for people they know nothing about, the language, hatred and disgust for the female whilst exonerating the male is very worrisome.

I honestly don't know why this language and disgusting vitriol is tolerated here.

Incel is definitely not his problem. Too much sex might be his problem. As usual you have no clue what youre talking about

Just now, rudi49jr said:

Blaming Bourdain’s suicide solely on this woman

 

The causation is very clear here. Argento broke up up with him, told him to eff off, her photos of her cheating with Hugo Clement appear shortly before, all this happened shortly before his suicide.

 

The truth here is very simple and straight forward. Causation is exceptionally clear. Argento's cheating and ending the relationship were the true cause of his mental turmoil.

 

For some reason a few people don't want to blame Argento, when she was the clear cause. Most likely because Argento is a woman. That's why somebody who calls out her disgusting behaviour gets called "misogynist". Unbelievable.

 

But you can see how far women have conditioned men to sacrifice their lives, the truth, and common sense even, in the service of women.

 

The truth here could not be any clearer. Argento was the cause. The immediate cause.

 

It's an uncomfortable truth, that women can be so deceptive, can have such power over men, can bring a man to commit suicide, but that is the truth.

 

For the record, I am as far from a misogynist as it is possible to be, I love women. But good women. When a cheater and liar causes a man's suicide I have no problem to call it out,. 

 

In any event, whether I'm a misogynist, an atheist or a methodist, is neither here nor there. This thread is not about me, it's about what caused the death of Anthony Bourdain, a cheating woman called Argento.

52 minutes ago, harryviking said:

I really miss Bourdains programs on TV. I really enjoyed them. And as in so many cases, a damn female was involved in the final tragedy. "Itchy Bitches" are sadly everywhere! 😫

Me too.

He was one of a kind.

Nobody can ever replace what he did.

Well maybe AI ha ha.

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Me too.

He was one of a kind.

Nobody can ever replace what he did.

 

Even now, it's still enjoyable to watch his city portraits.

 

A great loss, at the hands of a cheating and lying ,selfish woman.

10 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

The causation is very clear here. Argento broke up up with him, told him to eff off, her photos of her cheating with Hugo Clement appear shortly before, all this happened shortly before his suicide.

 

The truth here is very simple and straight forward. Causation is exceptionally clear. Argento's cheating and ending the relationship were the true cause of his mental turmoil.

 

For some reason a few people don't want to blame Argento, when she was the clear cause. Most likely because Argento is a woman. That's why somebody who calls out her disgusting behaviour gets called "misogynist". Unbelievable.

 

But you can see how far women have conditioned men to sacrifice their lives, the truth, and common sense even, in the service of women.

 

The truth here could not be any clearer. Argento was the cause. The immediate cause.

 

It's an uncomfortable truth, that women can be so deceptive, can have such power over men, can bring a man to commit suicide, but that is the truth.

 

For the record, I am as far from a misogynist as it is possible to be, I love women. But good women. When a cheater and liar causes a man's suicide I have no problem to call it out,. 

 

In any event, whether I'm a misogynist, an atheist or a methodist, is neither here nor there. This thread is not about me, it's about what caused the death of Anthony Bourdain, a cheating woman called Argento.

So if I tell you to go **** yourself and then you kill yourself and let everyone know that you did that because of what I said, then I’m to blame? Hmm, somehow that doesn’t make sense.

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Even now, it's still enjoyable to watch his city portraits.

 

A great loss, at the hands of a cheating and lying ,selfish woman.

You’re like a dog with a bone…

38 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

So if I tell you to go **** yourself and then you kill yourself and let everyone know that you did that because of what I said, then I’m to blame? Hmm, somehow that doesn’t make sense.

 

An analogy that fails completely.

 

For two years Argento had pretended that Bourdain was the man she loved. Bourdain had hoped to have a long term relationship with her because he believed she was a wonderful person who loved him.

 

To me you're a nobody, I've never even met you, your words carry no weight for me. 

 

See how this is completely different?  Bourdain had built his whole life around Argento, had paid 330000 USD to the boy she raped, had mouthed off about Me Too incessantly because Argento did so, he had put her in his TV series, asked her to direct them, when his camera man disagreed with her he fired his long term collaborator. 

 

And you leave out the trauma of Bourdain finding out over the internet that Argento had cheated on him with Hugo Clement. And then told Bourdian go **** himself.

 

In the course of 2 years she had become his world. You, however, are nobody to me. 

 

So your analogy is very poor really. It does not account for context. Your words are meaningless to me, they would not cause me even one thousandth of the trauma Argento caused Bourdain with her cheating and texts.

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

That's harsh. He was seduced into supporting the Me Too movement by that liar Argento. Before her e never was into it.

 

But even so, whether he was right or left, he was still a man. A man who was hounded to his death by a cheating woman.

I totally agree with you. It's my harshness /callousness is routed in something he said. I believe (if memory serves me) it was a conversation with Anderson Cooper (CNN) when he said he would like to cook for President Trump (1st term) and that he would poison him. I considered that totally uncalled for. No matter how much I dislike a President, murder never enters my mind. 

7 minutes ago, kimothai said:

I totally agree with you. It's my harshness /callousness is routed in something he said. I believe (if memory serves me) it was a conversation with Anderson Cooper (CNN) when he said he would like to cook for President Trump (1st term) and that he would poison him. I considered that totally uncalled for. No matter how much I dislike a President, murder never enters my mind. 

 

I did not see t hat, that's obviously out of order.

 

Bourdain had a record of saying outrageous things. He talked about how he would kill and torture Weinstein I believe as well.  

 

Obviuosly i completely disagree with Bourdain politically. However, aside from the political there is a human drama at the core of Bourdain's life.

 

He talked about killing other men. But in the end, he was killed by the woman whose Me Too vitriol he espoused.

 

Karma? Perhaps. But still a very tragic end, to die of love, at the mercy of a cheating, lying skank you had falsely believed to be a wonderful person.

 

A lesson for all men, how women can deceive you for a short time. In the end the truth always comes out if she's bad. But it can take time. The problem is when women are bad, they dig their claws into you deep. A man will take something from you and leave you behind. A woman will seek to destroy your whole life, if she's evil. Which is more common than not. They go deep.Women will destroy the whole kingdom, witness Amber Heard and now Casandra Ventura. 

Going back to the book I mentioned yesterday, by James Penner: ' Six Years On Wrestling with Anthony Bourdain's Suicide', he mentions 6 factors, the last one of which is very interesting.

1. A lot of Bourdain's relationship with Argento was long distance through the phone and social media. She said they had an 'open relationship' which must have tugged at the jealousy strings.

2. Bourdain had been drinking heavily the night of his suicide- clouded his judgement perhaps.

3. A workaholic, he was suffering from fatigue and frequently exhausted. Could have sapped his resolve to overcome his disappointment in love.

4.  He often made jokes about killing himself, even before he met Argento.

5.  Public humiliation scared him, the fact that millions of people would know about Argento’s betrayal haunted him.

He loved social media. From Charles Leerhsen’s biography of Bourdain, he googled “Asia Argento” over 100 times on the night he committed suicide. 

6.  Bourdain's longstanding addiction to social media and his desire to spread his public image.

Leerhsen reveals that Bourdain had a Google alert for “Anthony Bourdain” set to “as it happens” and “configured as a push notification on his Iphone.”

Leehrsen quotes David Macmillan, a Canadian friend of Bourdain’s, remarking “that his phone would be going ping-ping-ping every time his name was being mentioned.”

Bourdain also loved battles conducted over social media, indeed Leerhsen says when Bourdain's phone hadn't rung  for some time, 'Tony would take to social media to say something that might get people talking about him again'.

''One favorite tactic was to criticise another TV chef [e.g., Rachael Ray or Emeril] for endorsing a shoddy line of cooking gear There was, he knew, nothing like a celebrity feud to get his iPhone pinging.”

This addiction to social media would surely have amplified his pain at romantic rejection 100 fold.

In times of deep personal disappointment, many people retreat inwards to friends and family, but living his life out on social media meant there was no sanctuary, haven, where he could lick his wounds.

Perhaps addiction to fame and celebrity was the real cause of his suicide.

 

 

The age gap of 20 years did not help; she was also not known to live like a nun in a monastery roaming in her habit between prayers ..... 

53 minutes ago, bannork said:

Going back to the book I mentioned yesterday, by James Penner: ' Six Years On Wrestling with Anthony Bourdain's Suicide', he mentions 6 factors, the last one of which is very interesting.

1. A lot of Bourdain's relationship with Argento was long distance through the phone and social media. She said they had an 'open relationship' which must have tugged at the jealousy strings.

2. Bourdain had been drinking heavily the night of his suicide- clouded his judgement perhaps.

3. A workaholic, he was suffering from fatigue and frequently exhausted. Could have sapped his resolve to overcome his disappointment in love.

4.  He often made jokes about killing himself, even before he met Argento.

5.  Public humiliation scared him, the fact that millions of people would know about Argento’s betrayal haunted him.

He loved social media. From Charles Leerhsen’s biography of Bourdain, he googled “Asia Argento” over 100 times on the night he committed suicide. 

6.  Bourdain's longstanding addiction to social media and his desire to spread his public image.

Leerhsen reveals that Bourdain had a Google alert for “Anthony Bourdain” set to “as it happens” and “configured as a push notification on his Iphone.”

Leehrsen quotes David Macmillan, a Canadian friend of Bourdain’s, remarking “that his phone would be going ping-ping-ping every time his name was being mentioned.”

Bourdain also loved battles conducted over social media, indeed Leerhsen says when Bourdain's phone hadn't rung  for some time, 'Tony would take to social media to say something that might get people talking about him again'.

''One favorite tactic was to criticise another TV chef [e.g., Rachael Ray or Emeril] for endorsing a shoddy line of cooking gear There was, he knew, nothing like a celebrity feud to get his iPhone pinging.”

This addiction to social media would surely have amplified his pain at romantic rejection 100 fold.

In times of deep personal disappointment, many people retreat inwards to friends and family, but living his life out on social media meant there was no sanctuary, haven, where he could lick his wounds.

Perhaps addiction to fame and celebrity was the real cause of his suicide.

 

 

 

I read his article where he reviews 3 books that have come out with new information.

 

The notion that Bourdain was publicly humiliated by Argento's cheating and betrayal, that's a given and was already mentioned on this thread by me a long time ago. Of course he was humiliated.

 

I like his perceptive "power struggle" analysis which suggests their social media interaction was a battle for attention by both sides..

 

However, he gets too wrapped up in overanalyzing all the various factors. He knows that's the case, as he acknowledges from the start that the betrayal by Argento was a "triggern factor".

 

It would be foolish to view the items he lists as having equal importance to Argento's cheating being exposed publicly, her ending the relationship. Clearly these were the main and overriding factors.

 

Yes, the day before Bourdain had some drinks, but almost nobody kills themselves after a pleasant night out.  Yes, long distance is stressful and raises jealousy issues, but the problem was that Argento really WAS cheating, so that point is moot.. It was not long distance, it was Argento's actual cheating. 

 

Yes, he worked a lot, but that does not lead to suicide. Yes he made jokes about suicide and depression but those were just jokes and not a cause of his death.  The public humiliation infliced by Argento, of course, that was a real factor. Clearly his public image was important to him and Argento did humiliate him terribly.

 

So top marks for Penner for taking all factors into consideration, and doing a thorough review of the evidence. However, he comes to the wrong conclusion. To admit that Argento's betrayal was a triggering factor and at the same time to say Argento should not be blamed is non-sensical. Nor does it make much sense that Bourdain would have killed himself out of concern for his public persona on social media. The humiliation on social media, infliced by Argento contributed obviously, but it was her betrayal, the loss of his idealised image of Argento that caused his mental turbulence. As Penner writes:

 

We know from Leerhsen’s account that he googled “Asia Argento” over 100 times on the night he committed suicide.

 

Penner appears blind to the fact that Bourdain was deeply in love with Argento, that he believed she was his person and he could trust her, and that her betrayal when she had sex with Hugo Clement, was a massive shock to his mental construct of the perfect lover Argento was supposed to be, but failed so miserably to be in reality.

 

The singular, overriding and most important cause of Bourdain's death remains Argento's cheating and ending the relationship.

But isn't it how we react to cheating and the end of a relationship that is the deciding factor in our actions?

Men and women are cheated on daily by those they love but it's how they respond to that which determines the outcome.

Unfortunately Bourdain couldn't find the strength to go on which is a shame as he clearly had so much to give, at least to the public.  However imo the decision to end his life has ultimately to be down to his own character rather than a woman with whom he was mainly in a long distance relationship with.

His friends commented on how he had seemingly fallen head over heels in love with her, gushing on about her, but being 20 years older, surely he should have been aware of the possible transitory nature of romantic love?

 

 

30 minutes ago, bannork said:

His friends commented on how he had seemingly fallen head over heels in love with her, gushing on about her,

 

This was surely of great importance. Argento had seduced Borudain in Rome, and made him believe she was someone she was not, an ideal romantic parter. So Bourdain did fall head over heels in love with her.. You say it was mainly a long -distance relationship, but they stayed in the hotel where she cheated together, they had filmed epsides of his show together. They did spend as much time as possible together, because that is what Bourdain wanted. Bourdain wanted a long term romantic relationship with Argento. He trusted her fully, as was shown when he swallowed her story that she was raped by Weinstein, even though she made similar allegations against others that were denied, and never proven, and even though a teenage boy came forward to say he was raped by her. All that did not matter to Bourdain. He loved her, so believed her.

 

Now given how much in love Bourdain was with her, this amplified  the shock and anger when he found out she was unfaithful, and could not be trusted. But not just that, she showed a complete disdain and uncaring attitude to his suffering, hence "You were reckless with my heart"...but not just his heart..."with my life"...because he had started to build his life around Argento.

 

On top of his deep and dangerous love, we have all these aggravating factors Penner digs out ,his social media addiction and how others perceive him, his exhaustion from work, alcohol, but these were contributing factors, not trigggering factors. Argento's betrayal and cheating was the trigger. The immediacy of the causation evidence is overwhelming.

 

I would say that Bourdain was 61, had a failed marriage behind him and possibly saw Argento as his last chance at a an attractive romantic relationship, this too was a contributing factor.

 

But this is not all. Bourdain's decision to trust Argento was made based on false information which Argento fed him, that she loved him, was loyal to him and they would have a future relationship. When Argnto took that away and outed herself as a cheater and a liar, the trauma and shock Bourdain would have suffered, his sense of loss, would have been overwhelming.

 

So it is easy for us to say "oh well he should have reacted less severe. " But we were not in his situation. All the future he had hoped for, his life, his future, was taken away from him.

 

Yes, hiis character played a role in the decision to end his life, but he would never have been in that situation, if Argento had not cheated and lied to him and put him in that position. So clearly Argento was a causative and major factor in his death. 

 

If you take Argento out of Bourdain's life, he would still be alive today.

 

Hindsight is easy but looking back it's a shame he didn't slow down, take it easy for a while and evaluate his life.

He'd had a lot of success, he was only 61, in good health, the future could have been rosy.  

He might have met a woman his age, someone he could respect rather than ' fall in love'. 

Cut out the toxic social media obsession, try to live a more anonymous life. 

But sometimes impulse is stronger than reflection.

 

19 minutes ago, bannork said:

Hindsight is easy but looking back it's a shame he didn't slow down, take it easy for a while and evaluate his life.

He'd had a lot of success, he was only 61, in good health, the future could have been rosy.  

He might have met a woman his age, someone he could respect rather than ' fall in love'. 

Cut out the toxic social media obsession, try to live a more anonymous life. 

But sometimes impulse is stronger than reflection.

 

 

Well, he was addicted to fame, so he wanted to keep producing.  

 

I don't think he was made that way, to want a 60 year old woman, he wanted someone very attractive. He just travelled so much and was surrounded by young and attractive women. It's hard to then want a 60 year old.

 

I don't think he did anything wrong, a man is supposed to work, and most men want a younger girlfriend. He was just extremely unlucky he met a cheater, a liar and a cold hearted wreck of a woman.

On 5/26/2025 at 7:32 PM, hotsun said:

My posts bother you because youre conditioned to lies. Youd have been better off if i were your father

And you will never be the man your mother was.

On 5/26/2025 at 6:43 PM, hotsun said:

The point being the leftist media has it out for males, the white ones mostly. Very sad, he was obviously a good person. People deserve to know the truth

The 'people' don't 'deserve' to know a single thing about a person's private life, be they famous or not.

1 hour ago, newnative said:

The 'people' don't 'deserve' to know a single thing about a person's private life, be they famous or not.

 

No.

 

If Bourdain had learned a bit more about Argento's private life before he fell down the feels well, perhaps he would have seen her for who she really was. A cheater and a liar.

 

The again, when people hide their true self, it's almost impossible to find out.

50 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

No.

 

If Bourdain had learned a bit more about Argento's private life before he fell down the feels well, perhaps he would have seen her for who she really was. A cheater and a liar.

 

The again, when people hide their true self, it's almost impossible to find out.

'The people'--meaning the general population--and one individual dating another individual, are two entirely different things.   

27 minutes ago, newnative said:

'The people'--meaning the general population--and one individual dating another individual, are two entirely different things.   

 

No they're not, they start out as general population. Bourdain knew Argento as well as he knew you before he went all in.

 

Plus, if you're a celebrity and the public makes you rich and famous beyond belief then they have a right to know really.

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Exactly. He had achieved, wealth, fame, professional respect....the only thing left for him to achieve was a lasting and loving relationship with a woman.  He thought Argento was the best candidate for that.

 

Looking at Argento in the cold light of day it seems preposterous that he would choose her, of all people. We now know she is a cheater. A callous user. A rapist. A liar.

 

But Bourdain did not know that at the time he chose her. Why? Because she pretended she was another person altogether.

 

Think of Whitney Houston. Oh what an angel, we all thought looking at that orange album cover, listening to her voice, a princess among women. Well, turned out Whitney Houston was all her life pretending she was someone else, in reality she was a hard-nosed drug taking promiscuous girl who liked bad boys.

 

Or Mariah Carey, another woman who pretended she just wanted a Dreamlover, but it turned out she wanted the big diamond ring and took that music executive for all he had. Again, she pretended she was someone she was not.

 

Lady Gaga, tried to make us all believe in Pokerface she was a promiscuous good time girl, but actually she had mental health issues and was nothing like that.

 

Women, always pretend they are someone they are not. This is how Argento could persuade Bourdain she was a good candidate for a loving relationship. She deceived him. Only at thet end did he find out she was a cheat, a liar and cold hearted snake.

 

You really do post some utter tosh...

 

You write about celebrities as if you know or knew them, but you haven't met even a single one of them, let alone know their stories.

It's actually quite irritating, your pretending that you know something. 

 

Anthony Bourdain left a US$1.2 million estate. It's not nothing, but barely the cost of an apartment. 

 

Whitney Houston? She was a singer, not a role model and neither are you, sitting there paying for sex with young women and spreading disease.

 

Mariah Carey also a singer and not pretending to be a role model. Lived close to me on a popular island. 

 

 

You cannot buy love. I guess you've found that out for yourself.

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Well, he was addicted to fame, so he wanted to keep producing.  

 

I don't think he was made that way, to want a 60 year old woman, he wanted someone very attractive. He just travelled so much and was surrounded by young and attractive women. It's hard to then want a 60 year old.

 

I don't think he did anything wrong, a man is supposed to work, and most men want a younger girlfriend. He was just extremely unlucky he met a cheater, a liar and a cold hearted wreck of a woman.

 

This is about you, isn't it? 😊

I can speak to this. I had an Italian woman cheat on me a while back. Perhaps angry about something.

Found out about it, called her and she gave a similar reaction as to what has been described here. I was abroad at the time and we lived in different countries anyway.

My reaction was simply to call him to congratulate him. He dumped her immediately. I found myself someone else. 😊  I'm not going to say that it didn't affect me, but I just did what I had to do to get out of it.

Italian girl and I are still 'friends'.

Osu..

 

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Plus, if you're a celebrity and the public makes you rich and famous beyond belief then they have a right to know really.

 

Terrible nonsense...

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Lol, I was in bed with a woman two days ago. I just cancelled on a woman who was supposed to come, because I don't want her to come.

 

 

Let's hope that neither of these women decide to end their lives due to such disgusting and callous behaviour.

19 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

No they're not, they start out as general population. Bourdain knew Argento as well as he knew you before he went all in.

 

Plus, if you're a celebrity and the public makes you rich and famous beyond belief then they have a right to know really.

No to all of that.  The public has a 'right' to know squat.  Should a celebrity choose to reveal information--such as Jenna Bush announcing on national tv that she goes commando--that's entirely up to the celebrity to decide what, if anything, they share with the public.