How much MORE evidence do we need to prove beyond doubt that the mRNA Covid-19 shots kill?

[Red Phoenix]

That's actually a rhetorical question, because the evidence at this moment in time is so monumentally overwhelming that those that still deny the harms of mRNA Covid-19 shots are either paid pharma-shills or are doing so 'by habit'.  After 4-5 years of the evidence building up, and continually growing, the deniers are so entrenched in their position that no matter what facts and data are presented, these are routinely dismissed.  Facts and data presented are no longer challenged, their only arguments being ad hominem attacks (targetting the messenger, and not the message), ridicule and 'anti-vaxxer' insults.  

 

They simply closed their eyes and ears for the facts, blinded by the 24/7 Big Pharma propaganda that wanted to convince everybody that black is white and the jabs are safe, effective and necessary. 

A quick memory refresher of what they '(dis)missed':

• The early VAERS data spoke volumes. Ignoring the main reason for the collection of these data.
• People suddenly collapsing during live-broadcasts and athletes collapsing on the field also on live TV (and this in fairly large numbers).
• Ed Dowd, exposing the disaster by showing the rise in all cause mortality data (the one set of data that cannot be manipulated).  And life insurance executives confirming the rising deaths in working-age people. 
• Early as well as continual warnings from experts in their fields (e.g. cardiology, oncology, bio-statisticans, etc.) censored and suppressed.

There is much more, but it is all to no avail.  

As the dutch proverb goes 'What use are candles and glasses if the owl doesn't want to see' 

 

This as introduction to once again a giant nail in the coffin of the Jab-harm deniers.  

> The consistent pattern when you plot deaths following Covid-19 jabs in a time-series.  

The shots do not prevent you from catching Covid (claiming different was one of the early lies, on which the jab-enthusiasts had to backtrack).  And the new message now is that they prevent serious illness and death.  If that were true you would expect a stable or even declining trend-line of deaths after the covid-shots.  

And the point is that this holds true for the majority of OTHER vaccines, but NOT for the Covid-19 death-shots.  

That's also the reason that the compromised Pharma-advertisement funded mainstream media never publish these graphs.

 

In my next post in this thread I will provide the link and some excerpts of articles by Steve Kirsch that demonstrate that the Covid-19 shots do NOT protect you, but are slow-kill injections as proven by all the time-series graphs from different countries. 

 

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[Lacessit]

A peer-reviewed study in a reputable journal that confirms the claims made by the OP, perhaps?

 

Or relying on the studies done by immunologists and virologists, instead of citing someone with qualifications in electrical engineering and computer science?

 

A better question is - how many people is the OP killing by deliberately spreading misinformation about vaccines?

[Red Phoenix]

COVID time series graphs show clearly the COVID vaccine kill people. That's why they keep the plots hidden from view.

All you have to do is plot the time series graphs and you can see the safety signal clearly. It's not rocket science. So what do they do? They hide the time series data.

Source: https://kirschsubstack.com/p/covid-time-series-graphs-show-clearly

 

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Executive summary

The claim that the COVID vaccines are perfectly safe is easily falsified by looking at any time series plot.

A safe vaccine has a relatively flat time series (it may have bumps for seasonality if the vaccine is given over a narrow time window).

An unsafe vaccine has a time series where the deaths per day increase from baseline.

So it’s obvious from the time series data what is going on.

But did you know that none of the papers in the peer reviewed scientific literature will show you a time series plot for the COVID vaccine? I couldn’t find a single one!

And when Andrew Bridgen (along with 6 other MPs) sent a letter asking Professor Sir Ian Diamond the CEO of the UK ONS for the time series data, they told him to pound sand. Read this [ https://kirschsubstack.com/p/head-of-the-uk-office-of-national ] 

This is one of the main reasons why my substack exists: to publish the data that mainstream scientists will not publish.

In this article, I’ll explain:

1. what a time series is,

2. what a safe vaccine looks like, and

3. what the COVID vaccines look like.

Once you learn this, you’ll be shaking your head wondering, “This is SO obvious. How can the medical community ignore this evidence?”

I’d love to ask them that question, but none of them will talk to me.

And there is no chance that anyone in the mainstream media is going to ask people like Paul Offit that question. That’ll be the day!

[Red Phoenix]

1 minute ago, Red Phoenix said:

COVID time series graphs show clearly the COVID vaccine kill people. That's why they keep the plots hidden from view.

All you have to do is plot the time series graphs and you can see the safety signal clearly. It's not rocket science. So what do they do? They hide the time series data.

 

 

The article [ https://kirschsubstack.com/p/covid-time-series-graphs-show-clearly ] then provides the actual data, in several short chapters: 

• What’s a time series?

• Time series plots for non-COVID vaccines: a FLAT line

• Time series plots for COVID vaccines from Czech Republic: not a flat line!

• Time series plots for COVID vaccines from Israel: not a flat line!

• New Zealand COVID vaccine: not a flat line!

• United States Medicare COVID vaccine: not a flat line!

And it ends with a summary:

Summary

In a safe vaccine, there is a 3 week rise due to HVE and then the deaths per day stabilizes with a mild straight slope based on the average age of the vaccinated cohort.

In an unsafe vaccine, the deaths per day keep rising until levelling off.

It’s so obvious, isn’t it?

The COVID shot time series shows rises in every country because it isn’t a safe vaccine.

But the medical community refuses to admit the obvious.

And I don’t think they ever will. No matter how clear the evidence is.

So I’m just doing my part to document how broken the system is. For the record.

 

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[Denim]

Hmmm....I know a lot of people who , like myself  , must , according to the OP , have already been killed away and are in fact , state of the art zombies.

 

Peanuts are proven to be lethal to some people. Should everyone be agitating to cease the production of lethal peanuts ?

 

Ok ok , we all now fully understand that the poster is an anti vaxer. Nobody has a problem with this. But wouldn't it be better for everyone if he just got back to doing whatever it was he was doing before Covid instead of constantly trying to justify his position ?  Move on  , enjoy life. It's really nice.

[Red Phoenix]

1 minute ago, Denim said:

Hmmm....I know a lot of people who , like myself  , must , according to the OP , have already been killed away and are in fact , state of the art zombies.

 

Peanuts are proven to be lethal to some people. Should everyone be agitating to cease the production of lethal peanuts ?

 

Ok ok , we all now fully understand that the poster is an anti vaxer. Nobody has a problem with this. But wouldn't it be better for everyone if he just got back to doing whatever it was he was doing before Covid instead of constantly trying to justify his position ?  Move on  , enjoy life. It's really nice.

 

Yep, just move on.  Forgive and forget.  Provide a free-ticket for the evil bastards that knowingly did this, to continue with the Good Work. 

Monkey-pox, Bird flu, the new Covid-19 strain, till now didn't catch on (except for the jab-addicts). 

The message that this conveys to the vax-pushers is clear:

1 - there are no consequences for what they've done and are still doing;

2 - the fear-factor hasn't been stoked up high enough to get everybody roll up their sleeves again (but first you need an orchestrated campaign of media-hysteria followed by a rist of disrupting mitigation measures for your 'protection and safety')

 

Many have woken up so it will be more difficult this time to push their agenda. 

But without accountability, they will keep on trying. 

Lucky for them there is a whole army of AseanNow 'Good Germans' that believe in the good intentions of the authorities, which are glad for the support of these 'useful idiots'.   

 

[AlexRich]

I don’t know anyone who has died as a consequence of the vaccine. I do know people that died from Covid 19. 
 

However, if I read a respected scientific paper from a leading journal that states otherwise I will sit up and take notice. I’m not aware of any? 

[FritsSikkink]

Still alive after 5 shots, how can that be?

[Caldera]

It's beyond dumb to believe that Covid shots are dangerous. Yet another deranged person spreading misinformation.

[bubblegum]

You don't need any proof at all.

[Red Phoenix]

10 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

I don’t know anyone who has died as a consequence of the vaccine. I do know people that died from Covid 19. 
 

However, if I read a respected scientific paper from a leading journal that states otherwise I will sit up and take notice. I’m not aware of any? 

All the leading journals that publish scientific papers are partly or totally funded by Big Pharma.  So it will be a looooong wait before they will issue a paper that 'bites the hand that feeds them'.  

[Red Phoenix]

11 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Still alive after 5 shots, how can that be?

Maybe because you are a resilient bastard...

[johng]

31 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

However, if I read a respected scientific paper from a leading journal that states otherwise I will sit up and take notice. I’m not aware of any? 

Have you wondered why Pfizer tried to have their study data withheld from the public for 70 years ?

[gamb00ler]

31 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Still alive after 5 shots, how can that be?

...or the German man who deliberately pushed the envelope by getting a shot every 4 days (on average) for 29 months. 

 

 A correspondence published Monday in the journal Lancet Infectious Diseases outlined his case and concluded that while his “hypervaccination” did not result in any adverse health effects, it also did not significantly improve or worsen his immune response.

The man, who is not named in the correspondence in compliance with German privacy rules, reported receiving 217 Covid shots between June 2021 and November 2023. Of those, 134 were confirmed by a prosecutor and through vaccination center documentation; the remaining 83 were self-reported, according to the study.

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(24)00134-8/fulltext

 

Much better documented than the BS the AN anti-vaxxers promulgate.

[JackGats]

Since as you say we don't need MORE evidence, why don't you sh*t up?

[FritsSikkink]

13 minutes ago, johng said:

Have you wondered why Pfizer tried to have their study data withheld from the public for 70 years ?

Ever heard of trade secrets? 

[jas007]

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

That's actually a rhetorical question, because the evidence at this moment in time is so monumentally overwhelming that those that still deny the harms of mRNA Covid-19 shots are either paid pharma-shills or are doing so 'by habit'.  After 4-5 years of the evidence building up, and continually growing, the deniers are so entrenched in their position that no matter what facts and data are presented, these are routinely dismissed.  Facts and data presented are no longer challenged, their only arguments being ad hominem attacks (targetting the messenger, and not the message), ridicule and 'anti-vaxxer' insults.  

 

They simply closed their eyes and ears for the facts, blinded by the 24/7 Big Pharma propaganda that wanted to convince everybody that black is white and the jabs are safe, effective and necessary. 

A quick memory refresher of what they '(dis)missed':

• The early VAERS data spoke volumes. Ignoring the main reason for the collection of these data.
• People suddenly collapsing during live-broadcasts and athletes collapsing on the field also on live TV (and this in fairly large numbers).
• Ed Dowd, exposing the disaster by showing the rise in all cause mortality data (the one set of data that cannot be manipulated).  And life insurance executives confirming the rising deaths in working-age people. 
• Early as well as continual warnings from experts in their fields (e.g. cardiology, oncology, bio-statisticans, etc.) censored and suppressed.

There is much more, but it is all to no avail.  

As the dutch proverb goes 'What use are candles and glasses if the owl doesn't want to see' 

 

This as introduction to once again a giant nail in the coffin of the Jab-harm deniers.  

> The consistent pattern when you plot deaths following Covid-19 jabs in a time-series.  

The shots do not prevent you from catching Covid (claiming different was one of the early lies, on which the jab-enthusiasts had to backtrack).  And the new message now is that they prevent serious illness and death.  If that were true you would expect a stable or even declining trend-line of deaths after the covid-shots.  

And the point is that this holds true for the majority of OTHER vaccines, but NOT for the Covid-19 death-shots.  

That's also the reason that the compromised Pharma-advertisement funded mainstream media never publish these graphs.

 

In my next post in this thread I will provide the link and some excerpts of articles by Steve Kirsch that demonstrate that the Covid-19 shots do NOT protect you, but are slow-kill injections as proven by all the time-series graphs from different countries. 

 

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Leaving aside the fact the jabs were designed to kill, at this point there are two main groups of people.

 

The first group consists of people who bought into the hysteria and the propaganda and did what the "authorities" told them to do. They were jabbed, boosted, and perhaps they even subjected their kids to the jabs.  These are the "rule followers." People who spend their entire lives following the rules and never questioning authority. That's how they survive. It's a very large group of people. And to this day, many still believe the nonsense and still believe they did the right thing.  "I'm in the hospital on the verge of death, but I'm thankful I was jabbed and boosted. Had I not been, I'd be in such worse shape today."

 

The second group of people share some characteristics of the first group, but they submitted under duress.  Take this jab, get a certificate saying so, or lose your job. Many of these people now realize what a terrible mistake they made, but don't want to speak out for fear of being ridiculed by members of group one or by the ongoing propaganda machine, or because they don't want to admit that they couldn't think for themselves or didn't have the courage to stick to their convictions and just say no. They'd just rather forget about it and move on with their lives. 

 

In either case, trying to convince people that COVID jabs can kill is, at this point, more or less an exercise in futility.  What's the point?  

 

Maybe RFK Jr. will succeed in stopping the nonsense, and maybe Fauci will end up on trial.  We can only hope. 

 

[Bert got kinky]

20 minutes ago, JackGats said:

Since as you say we don't need MORE evidence, why don't you sh*t up?

 

Post of the month. 👍

 

 

[Magictoad]

How much MORE evidence do we need to prove beyond doubt that the mRNA Covid-19 shots kill conspiracy theorist are boring us all to death with their obsession? Their absurd obsession that in many ways is more sinister and murderous than the vaccines are claimed to be.

[Dan O]

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

That's actually a rhetorical question, because the evidence at this moment in time is so monumentally overwhelming that those that still deny the harms of mRNA Covid-19 shots are either paid pharma-shills or are doing so 'by habit'.  After 4-5 years of the evidence building up, and continually growing, the deniers are so entrenched in their position that no matter what facts and data are presented, these are routinely dismissed.  Facts and data presented are no longer challenged, their only arguments being ad hominem attacks (targetting the messenger, and not the message), ridicule and 'anti-vaxxer' insults.  

 

They simply closed their eyes and ears for the facts, blinded by the 24/7 Big Pharma propaganda that wanted to convince everybody that black is white and the jabs are safe, effective and necessary. 

A quick memory refresher of what they '(dis)missed':

• The early VAERS data spoke volumes. Ignoring the main reason for the collection of these data.
• People suddenly collapsing during live-broadcasts and athletes collapsing on the field also on live TV (and this in fairly large numbers).
• Ed Dowd, exposing the disaster by showing the rise in all cause mortality data (the one set of data that cannot be manipulated).  And life insurance executives confirming the rising deaths in working-age people. 
• Early as well as continual warnings from experts in their fields (e.g. cardiology, oncology, bio-statisticans, etc.) censored and suppressed.

There is much more, but it is all to no avail.  

As the dutch proverb goes 'What use are candles and glasses if the owl doesn't want to see' 

 

This as introduction to once again a giant nail in the coffin of the Jab-harm deniers.  

> The consistent pattern when you plot deaths following Covid-19 jabs in a time-series.  

The shots do not prevent you from catching Covid (claiming different was one of the early lies, on which the jab-enthusiasts had to backtrack).  And the new message now is that they prevent serious illness and death.  If that were true you would expect a stable or even declining trend-line of deaths after the covid-shots.  

And the point is that this holds true for the majority of OTHER vaccines, but NOT for the Covid-19 death-shots.  

That's also the reason that the compromised Pharma-advertisement funded mainstream media never publish these graphs.

 

In my next post in this thread I will provide the link and some excerpts of articles by Steve Kirsch that demonstrate that the Covid-19 shots do NOT protect you, but are slow-kill injections as proven by all the time-series graphs from different countries. 

 

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You continue to beat a dead horse and you have not examined or are knowledgeable about what you are read or relating. The billions of people that got a vaccine are dropping over like flies right,  Vaers system is a glaring example of your propaganda. Anyone can report on veers system and not just medical professions. Any alignment that occurs can also be reported. There doesn't have to be any facts, or follow up or medical review, Its just a tool to gather Information. When you read posted by medical professions do you even understand the meaning of the language as it does carry the same means plain english.

 

You keep trumping that the early lie was the vaccine would prevent you from catching it. The was a media exaggeration and correct by the govt professions but it was already viral from lame people look I g for a cause. Give this was a novel virus never before seen in man its kinda hard to have concrete facts before hand when your trying to find ways to deal with and no history to fall back on.  

 

[xylophone]

What a load of old claptrap the post is when it states, "Leaving aside the fact the jabs were designed to kill". Where on earth do these people come from?

 

For the record, there have been 13.64 billion vaccination doses administered to date and maybe, just maybe, one or two folks may have died because they had comorbidities, however in the main it is a safe vaccine and this vaccine modus operandi (mRNA) has been worked on for over 25 years and is considered safe.

 

One can choose to believe the anti-VAX people with their unproven, so-called "stats" or trust in the people whom we have trained (worldwide) in the fields of science, medicine, medical technology and research through the various universities, hospitals, teaching and learning establishments, and I know which ones I would believe and trust, which is why I have had the jabs – – and lo and behold, I'm still here!

[Red Phoenix]

3 minutes ago, Dan O said:

You continue to beat a dead horse and you have not examined or are knowledgeable about what you are read or relating. The billions of people that got a vaccine are dropping over like flies right,  Vaers system is a glaring example of your propaganda. Anyone can report on veers system and not just medical professions. Any alignment that occurs can also be reported. There doesn't have to be any facts, or follow up or medical review, Its just a tool to gather Information. When you read posted by medical professions do you even understand the meaning of the language as it does carry the same means plain english.

 

You keep trumping that the early lie was the vaccine would prevent you from catching it. The was a media exaggeration and correct by the govt professions but it was already viral from lame people look I g for a cause. Give this was a novel virus never before seen in man its kinda hard to have concrete facts before hand when your trying to find ways to deal with and no history to fall back on.  

 

And not a word in your rant about the time-series analysis of Covid-vaccine roll-out in Czech republic, Israel, New Zealand and the US Medicare data.  

[Bert got kinky]

 

I'm beginning to form the opinion that the OP might have an un-diagnosed fear of needles. 

 

[Red Phoenix]

4 minutes ago, xylophone said:

For the record, there have been 13.64 billion vaccination doses administered to date and maybe, just maybe, one or two folks may have died because they had comorbidities, however in the main it is a safe vaccine and this vaccine modus operandi (mRNA) has been worked on for over 25 years and is considered safe.

If your assertion were true, that would make the Covid-19 gen-therapy by far the safest 'vaccine' ever administered.  

And current vaccine hesitancy for these mRNA-shots would be non-existing.   

 

[gamb00ler]

1 hour ago, Denim said:

But wouldn't it be better for everyone if he just got back to doing whatever it was he was doing before Covid instead of constantly trying to justify his position ?

The impetus behind swimming upstream carrying a heavy load of lies is one of life's greatest conundrums.

[Photoguy21]

4 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

If your assertion were true, that would make the Covid-19 gen-therapy by far the safest 'vaccine' ever administered.  

And current vaccine hesitancy for these mRNA-shots would be non-existing.   

 

Agreed. There have been a significant number of myocarditis victims. The vaccine was not properly tested according to Pfizer in their SEC report in 2024. Also it has been stated, cant remember who it was, but Modena was new in the production of vaccine themselves.

[peter zwart]

A discussion that could go on forever. Can it be proven that the vaccines are deadly…? So far, no. But the events caused by the vaccines do raise doubts, to say the least. I can understand well that people who took the vaccine don’t want to hear anything else. Still, there are more people who regret getting vaccinated than those who didn’t take it. The mistrust toward Big Pharma also comes from somewhere. I believe that neither side can truly prove they’re right, but the aversion to vaccines has increased enormously — and for a reason.

[Stiddle Mump]

25 minutes ago, xylophone said:

One can choose to believe the anti-VAX people with their unproven, so-called "stats" or trust in the people whom we have trained (worldwide) in the fields of science, medicine, medical technology and research through the various universities, hospitals, teaching and learning establishments, and I know which ones I would believe and trust, which is why I have had the jabs – – and lo and behold, I'm still here!

So you would rather believe one of those compromised white-coats that the OP or me?

 

You are 'here' until you are 'not here'. Can't you see Sir, that nature dictates everything. The white-coats are interfering in nature, and hurting the people; who are very much a part of it. 

[dinsdale]

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

I don’t know anyone who has died as a consequence of the vaccine. I do know people that died from Covid 19. 
 

However, if I read a respected scientific paper from a leading journal that states otherwise I will sit up and take notice. I’m not aware of any? 

Try looking. There's been plenty of sourced info on here concerning the jabs. I'm sure you won't even consider looking because your beliefs will be shown to be misplaced. Your comment is one from a place of ignorance. 

[dinsdale]

13 minutes ago, peter zwart said:

A discussion that could go on forever. Can it be proven that the vaccines are deadly…? So far, no.

If you say so. Try a simple Google search to educate yourself. Try this for starters.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ehf2.14680

In summary, we identified a series of myocarditis-related deaths following COVID-19 vaccination, confirmed with autopsies, to provide the medical community with a more comprehensive understanding of fatal COVID-19 vaccine-induced myocarditis. The temporal relationship, internal and external consistency seen among cases in this review with known COVID-19 vaccine-induced myocarditis, its pathobiological mechanisms, and related excess death, complemented with autopsy confirmation, independent adjudication, and application of the Bradford Hill criteria to the overall epidemiology of vaccine myocarditis, suggests that there is a high likelihood of a causal link between COVID-19 vaccines and death from myocarditis.